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OneHappyChica...on that same website I found this quote also:

"Recent media reports that one of the suspects had a personal web site that promoted gang culture and violence, including gang rapes, which was removed from the internet, allegedly by the suspect’s father, shortly after he was arrested, have led some observers to question whether this amounted to an attempt to conceal or tamper with evidence by the boy’s father (a “judge-in-training”)"

Now, this makes me wonder why his dad would remove this information from the net...what would prompt him to do that, if in fact this website did promote such things as gang violence and "gang rape". Possibly Joran told him about the site and asked his father to remove it? Wouldn't this be considered tampering with evidence if someone goes into the computer of a suspect and deletes things off of it? His father should know better than to do that for legal/criminal reasons, but to protect his son would be another story, which might give life to the fact that he (the father) could be covering something up or knows more about what happened.....hhhmmmm

did I understand correctly that Joran lived in an apartment adjacent to the house? I do find his parents lack of supervision of their 17 yr old concerning... I have 3 daughters, 16 yrs, 20 yrs and 22 yrs.. As long as they lived in the house they follow house rules which includes a curfew, parents knowing where they are going and where they are spending the nights as well as who their primary friends are... Certainly not perfect, but we do try... and I will bet there are many more parents out there like us. too bad Joran's parents gave him way too much freedom and definitely more than his maturity level warranted. Their lack of ood judgement is only working to give the appearance he is guilty and unworthy of any trust at all...

OneHappyChica & Mel......

So true.....the Aruban people are not to blame and should not be punished for this incident. I admire and truly appreciate their efforts to search for Natalee. Sadly, if a tourist went missing in the US.....it would most likely be a blip on the news.....no days off....no public search parties. I think the "people" of Aruba have done everything humanly possible to find Natalee....we have to give them credit. It is the inept authorities and their half-ass, botched investigation that needs to be attacked. Not the Arubans.

As for people that have gone missing in the US, check out www.charleyproject.org
Scary......

I believe that the postings here are now surpassed all definitions of redundance. This case is amazing and so incredible that I can not figure out how many other explanations can be apart of nathalee being taken by a UFO.

There is no gain on blaming the boys, the police, Aruba , the dutch the non dutch etc. I believe the way we might contribute is like making a brainstorm on what could be happen. Being so many people reading here , perhaps this puzzle can be reconstructed in theory and perhaps can give the right clue to the police and FBI.

I would like to start with several facts that all must be explained by the final prediction if ever reached

1) The brothers might be yet lying on the second story. But only on the location where they've left them. If he wanted to be with her then the brothers left NH AND the dutch at the dutch's house !!!. This also match with Joran's declaration they left him at his apartment ( but with NH).

2) The brothers lied at the beginning because the dutch told them he "lost" the girl drugged around those crack houses or on the beach. This is consistant with the expression telling that she should show up in a couple of days on one of those crack houses.

3) NH was pretty drunk or high at the exit of C&C, then the brothers knew they can lie because she could never remember what happenned. This is consistance with the girl who said he asked her "Are you allright?" at the exit of the club. Tell me in what circumstances you ask Are you allright to somebody ?

4) The brothers broke the pact when realized something "more than bad" happened being so many days.

5) The dutch has to be a hell of a lier not to tell the police the truth yet or firmly attached to what his dad said to him SHUT UP . .

6)The timeline involved makes nearly imposible to dispose a body , either underground or in the sea he needed a lot of logistic and a lot of decisions in a very short time. Almost phyically impossible to do and imposible not to leave traces of such operation.

7) She can not be alive because what is the point of getting her captive by he or his father or this latin Al capone.

8) The body is being kept inside a freezer or fridge in his house or a fishing boat or a close by house. etc any place that was just the matter of putting it there with not much effort. Does his appartment or house have a basement?

9) The brothers mentioned the Marriot just to deviate the police from the area where the body is .

10) The body has to be in Joran's house, backyard or neighborhood exactly like someone mentioned this girl chandra Levy that showed up in the park that was always in the nose of everybody.

I find it odd that the assumed "ring-leader" of the trio is the youngest. Joran is only 17. The brothers are 19 and 21. That is usually NOT the case.

Good points loco.

I keep thinking the same thing. Looking at the pictures of the three boys, he actually looks the least sinister and certainly not like a ring leader of older boys who have been out of school for several years....of course..looks don't mean anything so I may be way off base here...just still don't see Joran as mature enough to pull this off and leave no tracks

If you haven't already seen this site, check it out. Also, what do you make of the photos that look like a crime scene that is taped off with yello tape and all the notes and arrows pointing out the location of the tape? hhmmmm interesting.

Florida girl....
what site?

New Creature.....

True, he is the youngest, but one is never to young to be a sociopath. He apparently had a lot of charm, influence, and was well liked. Maybe a blooming Ted Bundy...but apparently far less intelligent.

one source of the assertion that paulus v d sloot has been granted to his son is hasibokos, who up til now has been very reliable.

AP according to fox and yahoo is saying the decision is delayed til friday. perhaps it has not been officially handed down or mr. v. d sloot will not have access unti then. anybody's guess.

I could have sworn on Joran's original web site, there was a picture of a girl, labeled "my sister." She was lying on her side, and looked kind of waif-like.

loco.......
I agree and I posted the same scenario earlier. I think the boys dropped NH and JVS off at his house so they could continue whatever they were doing. And if you think about it, this probably took place around 2am because C&Cs closes at 1am. That would have given them plenty of time to ride to the lighthouse (if they did), then back to Joran's house and drop off Natalee and Joran. If it happened this way, then he had from 2am until whenever to do what he wanted with Natalee. Remember it wasn't reported that she was missing until it was time to leave for the flight back to the US. Then it took about another 12 hours or more for someone to report to her family that she was seen with JVS and the brothers....seems like plenty of time to me to do anything they wanted to before anyone would be looking for them......

Just my thoughts, though I strongly believe that Natalee was at Joran's house....hence the new search yesterday and the impounding of the two vehicles at his house (possibly used to get rid of her body).... god I hope not~

hey...here is Valentijn Van Der Sloot's tickle site. someone took his picture down..it was up before and it says it has been visited in the last 3 days....I think it is Joran's little brother. Although the profile says he is nineteen, I don't think he is..one of the comments says he is the coolest 9th grader they know...so he is probably 15 or so. He looks younger. does anyone know how old Joran's brother or brothers are?

Also note the comment about Valentijn by the guy named "Big": "oh oh valentijn... man this guy is craaaaazzzzzzy He's an awsome guy tho good times at the Marriott keep it real!

Good times at the Marriott.....man do all the Van Der Sloot boys party at the Marriott or in the wooded area next to the Marriott, funny he should mention the Marriott since that was the place searched the other day.

hey...here is Valentijn Van Der Sloot's tickle site. someone took his picture down..it was up before and it says it has been visited in the last 3 days....I think it is Joran's little brother. Although the profile says he is nineteen, I don't think he is..one of the comments says he is the coolest 9th grader they know...so he is probably 15 or so. He looks younger. does anyone know how old Joran's brother or brothers are?

Also note the comment about Valentijn by the guy named "Big": "oh oh valentijn... man this guy is craaaaazzzzzzy He's an awsome guy tho good times at the Marriott keep it real!

Good times at the Marriott.....man do all the Van Der Sloot boys party at the Marriott or in the wooded area next to the Marriott, funny he should mention the Marriott since that was the place searched the other day.

http://profile.tickle.com/yxD1RMSA_wf7AtGG

sorry guys....it's late and i keep forgetting to post the links to my comments... sorry for the double posts.

Florida Girl....

Thanks for the link! It has more pics & news than all others. It took a while to load, but was well worth it!

To anyone that missed the earlier post, check out http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/

It even has his Van der Sloot's personal site profiles, which I thought were long gone.
This site is a must see. Vey enlightening.

As for some photos, there are a few of what looks to be a search on a boat. However, the article is not written in English. Anyone out there that can interpret it? Whose boat was searched????

I say that Christa...looks like it was some kind of Yacht Club. If you look at the pictures it shows police on more than one boat so maybe they were searching all the boats in the Yacht club just looking for anything about Natalee.

Check these out...it is Satish and Deepak's tickle sites.........I'm surprised they are still active, unlike Joran's tickle site. Remember it has been reported that Joran's dad took Joran's site down....sounds suspicious to me if the kid hasn't done anything wrong, however the two Kalpoe boys still have their sites up. Now, who has something to hide? hhmmmm

http://profile.tickle.com/hEqEDSyGpObOUTZU
http://profile.tickle.com/3p655DyWSbnUFoco

Dan
I the FBI was not on the autorities neck I am pretty sure the truth is beaten out of this guys

the melodrama about Aruba is done for is so silly

Bermuda had a Canadian tourist, 15 - 16 year old girl that was raped and killed and Bermuda botched the investigation big time and frankly I think Aruba is keeping that one in mind, they rushed the investigation because of the pressure to solve it quickly to restore the island's reputation as safe and they ended up making a deal with the wrong guy, the perpetrator instead of ther real accomplice, so the accomplice got off completely and the perpetrator got a slap on the wrists, however I hardly think Bermuda is done for, there may be the odd Canadian that won't go because of the case, but like all things, time erases the mind......

A couple more pictures of JVS that I have not seen:

http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?id=9XtJ-V4aXJtaEX7G#

Y'all ever follow any of those links above to the Tickle site? If you follow the links to the brothers or the Van der Slut's younger brother, you find their personal links... BUT! then check out the links to their friends. Makes you realize that the world is FUL of sick twisted kids - mostly on drugs and drunks and looks like all the girls are in training to be world class sluts and whores. Very sad. Very sad indeed.

Agree with earlier posts: Natalee would have had to have been taken to someone else's house. Joran is obviously mixed up with folks that are capable of murder. If she were alive and had to freedom to leave, she should have appeared by now. Perhaps she was alive briefly, considering the mass media attention, she may have been killed by her hosts/captors days after her flight left to the USA. Natalee Holloway is buried somewhere in Aruba. Heck of a way to finish off a vacation!

Wonder if any ex-pats are on alert in Venezuela and Columbia. I'm sure there will be plenty of good samaritans already on alert and possibly bounty hunters, who are usually employed by Lawyers and Private Investigators. Right now, the US is holding a cuban exile; someone purported to be responsible for a plane explosion that killed several Venezuelan citizens. The US is refusing to turn him over to venezuela because he may face the death penalty. So our relations are kind of icy right now.

Where best to hide a corpse? Why underneath another corpse of course..if the dogs alert on the smell..they will be moved along.
Find a soft recovered grave or a crematory oven.

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