Joran's Anger Management Issue

As first referenced here in an interview with a friend of Joran Van der Sloot - and also stated more plainly near the end of this report, there is no evidence to support claims that Joran Van der Sloot participated in any formal anger management class, or group.

Additional reliable information points to Aruban sources as the generators of that rumor, as opposed to simply being spun out of wholecloth by Geraldo Rivera of Fox News.

Additionally, informed speculation around the issue suggests it was a public relations decision by individuals with ties to the Aruban government, parts of which might not mind seeing a Dutch expat being designated as the guilty party, even if it never gets proven in a court of law.

The underlying theory is that managing the story and any potential damage to Aruba's reputation as a tourist destination might be better served if a white Dutchman and expat could take both the blame and the focus off the island itself to some degree. Even if Joran and a member of his family were never formally charged with any crime, a government determination to revoke or simply not renew their work permits would likely force the Van der Sloots from Aruba, whether they wanted to leave, or not.

This contrasts significantly with the image of an Aruba some have speculated was all too quick to run out and arrest two very dark skinned security guards while allowing Joran Van De Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers to go free, even if reports they were under surveillance do prove to be true.

Noone has suggested to me that Geraldo Rivera's prominent role in disseminating the rumor  - as well as another apparently unfounded report mentioned here - the plate glass incident - is anything like complicity. It's more likely that the well meaning reporter was simply duped.

Comments

[joyce]

How can these Aruban officials say they just couldn't bust into VDS home like a "cowboy"???? That's sure what they did with the guards - going into his house at 6:30 a.m. THIS IS TOTALLY RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND TOTAL "FAVORITISM" TO THE VDS FAMILY.

BRING IN JORAN'S MOM AND INTERROGATE HER - SHE'LL CRACK OR HER FAMILY WILL.

joyce :)

[KDM]

Yes! This makes much more sense than all the other "hearsay" being passed here as "information". I wonder if the "Hate Juran" crowd here will digest this though Dan. I have my doubts, they are entrenched and ready to hang him!

[Mary]

~Joran simply needs to tell the "truth" Itn not hearsay that he was with Natallee. He admitted it himself. So where is she ? 8 "LIE" later and we still do not know and there is still no "Natallee". Not even a trace ! People like you "KDM" that are always taking up for criminals is what is wrong with the world today!

And...Joyce,
It all goes back to the man in their JUSTICE department that said, "I cannot arrest that boy, his dad is my best friend." !!!!! Thats the problem here. He should be in jail !

Corrupted government ! Big time.

[elaine]

well perhaps this would be a good theme song among the locals in the prison in aruba right now:

PASS THE DUTCHIE FROM THE LEFT HAND SIDE

how's that for anger management class

better than "scared straight" or gitmo anyday!!!

[joyce]

Exactly, Mary. How heartbreaking and I would be wild with grief and anger. I don't know how the families are holding up.

joyce :(

[chaser]

keep fueling the fire, Geraldo is winning his war at the expense of everyone in his path. It is all about RATINGS, all about how finishes with the higest ratings. It's not about the truth.

[MJM]

Good work Dan,

It's a whole lot better than "your open letter" bit.

eg => more objective than subjective

[MJM]

Good work Dan,

It's a whole lot better than "your open letter" bit.

eg => more objective than subjective

[Lily]

Re Joran's "anger management class": The first time Anita vdS was interviewed by Greta, she was asked about this. Her response was that yes, she had "sent Joran away" for a time because of this issue, but that she'd thought of it as just "normal" kid stuff. This seemed to me to confirm that (a) Joran did indeed have anger management issues, and (b) that he not only had some sort of classes or therapy sessions to deal with the problem, but that it had been a serious enough problem that Anita had "sent him away."

[Ladonna]

With all the lies, it will surprise me if the judge don't hold them 60 more days. They may not have proof that they did do it, but...they don't have proof that they didn't do it either...hence all the lies....If innocent why all the lies???? Just a thought. I am still praying for Natalee and all her family and friends.

[elaine]

hello lily

i am glad you have returned.

[KDM]

Mary,Joyce,
You are rumor mongering. You know nothing and repeat imaginary things. READ what Dan wrote!

MJM - Agreed! It is much more responsible and caring of the Holloway clan to be able to sort through the misinformation then to throw rocks and build up hate.

[missy]

off subject--

--my dayghter is in Rosemary Beach, FL a couple of beaches away from Destin and there are two more sharks 6ft long swimming only two feet from the shore. Hope they are being careful!

--concerned mom

[ev]

My hope is that they do in fact find Natalie either way. Because he needs to pay for what he has done if its proven of course. Also, her family must get on with there lives. Natalie needs to go home with her family and friends.

[CRETIAN]

TWO THINGS MAYBE SOME ONE CAN CLEAR
EARLY I RECALL THAT JVDS SAID HE HAD SEX WITH NATALEE, COULD THIS BE AN ALIBI IF A BODY OR AN ARTICLE OF HER CLOTHING APPEARS PROVING HIS DNA IS THERE AND MAKING IT SEEM AS THOUGH IT WAS CONSENTUAL.

ALSO DID THEY (3 BOYS) NOT SAY THAT NATALEE WANTED TO SEE/FEED WHERE THE SHARKS ARE, BEFORE SHE LEFT TO GO BACK HOME?

COULD CONFIRM PVDS STATEMENT, REGARDING NO BODY.

[ev]

My theory for whatever its worth is that Joran took Natalie to his apartment had his way maybe Natalie had to much to drink and he went crying to Daddy. Daddy then took care of it and Joran does not even know what happen to Natalie. Remember the wanna be Judge has a lot at stake.

[CancunGirl]

I'm sure that when the VDS's were living in Aruba before the Natalee Holloway disapperance they were treated favorably and Paulus might have had some "pull" because of his connections with lawyers and the government. This is why Joran was allowed to run free around the island at all hours of the morning, gambling and drinking in Casinos and being under age. But now that the focus is on a "cover ups" and bad publicity for Aruba, I AM SURE that they ARE willing to pin this on q white expat and all the "pull" that the VDS's could have had pre-Natalee is quickly running out. Why do you think Paulus and Anita have only given interviews to Dutch media and have only spoken in Dutch, not in English or Papiamento? They NOW know that they are not going to be backed by the Island and their people, and are hoping that perhaps they made be able to have a future and hide from the world back in Holland.
Good work, Dan...
CancunGirl

[chaser]

Take the shark theory out of the story. There has NEVER been a shark incident in Aruba.

[CancunGirl]

I'm sure that when the VDS's were living in Aruba before the Natalee Holloway disapperance they were treated favorably and Paulus might have had some "pull" because of his connections with lawyers and the government. This is why Joran was allowed to run free around the island at all hours of the morning, gambling and drinking in Casinos and being under age. But now that the focus is on a "cover ups" and bad publicity for Aruba, I AM SURE that they ARE willing to pin this on q white expat and all the "pull" that the VDS's could have had pre-Natalee is quickly running out. Why do you think Paulus and Anita have only given interviews to Dutch media and have only spoken in Dutch, not in English or Papiamento? They NOW know that they are not going to be backed by the Island and their people, and are hoping that perhaps they made be able to have a future and hide from the world back in Holland.
Good work, Dan...
CancunGirl

[Not a Hand Wringer.]

Geraldo Rivera is a journalistic hack. Duped by his sources you say? That's why a real journalist not only uses multiple sources, they get documentation to support their claims.

The hysteria over NH is fueling ratings at fox. So, Greta and Geraldo wander around...speculating, and spreading rumours and gossip. This keeps the ratings up.

Much of the gossip posing as news on Fox, ends up on this site, where pseudo-sleuths and arm-chair CSI's add to and distort the already flimsy reports from Fox.

Just reading some of the theories floated throughout this website, is proof enough that many posters have vivid imaginations that exceed their ability to seperate 'fact' from 'fiction'.

When it comes to the issue of gossip as news, Either you're part of the problem, or part of the solution.

This site is in fact, part of the problem while pretending to be part of the solution.

[chaser]

Cancun Girl wrote:
Why do you think Paulus and Anita have only given interviews to Dutch media and have only spoken in Dutch, not in English or Papiamento?

If the Dutch media interviews them for the Dutch audience is it logical to do it in English? As a matter of fact the American Media should get a translator to make sure that their guest can truly express themselves as best as possible. Then proceed to put the translations on screen. It would only seem fair to everyone. Imagine an important issue like this and you would have to do it in your third language?

[publius]

like i have said here many times before. the vds' family are a lying pack of thieves. The justice system in aruba now seems complicit in 'the' cover up'. It is time to conclude patience with these banana jockeys and let the cowboys takeover.
And, i dont mean goat ropers, either. No truth will ever surface naturally in this travesty of justice. Paulus, the wife and lying son? all of their lives are over. inextricably linked with ms. holloway for eternity. even if the inept govt lets them all go free, they have no future. it is spoken for. and the moon waxes and wanes.

[Cmoney]

Nice one, Dan! Glad to see that you've re-discovered your objectivity! :)

T

[Boy Wonder]

What about that interview Greta conducted yesterday with one of the security guards initially detained...saying that Deepak told him while they were in jail together that they all sat down with dad and discussed what story they would tell police. Wouldn't this be considered some sort of evidence under any judicial system?
The one thing that still strikes me as odd is that comment that Deepak and Satish thought that NH would end up in some "crack house", or with some beach bum. Are there crack houses on Aruba? This also implys some sort of scenario in which NH either passes out, or is somehow incapacitated and left somewhere on her own which is clearly not the case since her body is yet to be found (no body no crime). The brothers probably don't even know what JVS did with NH that night.

[Moscow girl]

High-ranking FBI Agent, Greg McCrary, just spoke on Fox.

- he said that the “voice analyzer machine” is not used by FBI, nor the results considered valid. On the contrary, when once used in a criminal investigation, it led to conviction of an innocent man. This machine is pretty much a commercial ploy, as far as US FBI is concerned.

- he described the current state of NH investigation as following: “at this point it is not who did it, but what happened”.

- he stated that he is not convinced that Joran and brothers are guilty of crime, the reason why they might be “not speaking” is because they “have nothing to say”.

- he warned the investigation units from getting into “tunnel vision” of treating the 3 boys as the “ultimate and only suspects”, and possibly allowing other possibilities to escape from the view.

Finally! A voice of reason. That’s why he is a High-ranking FBI executive responsible for security of the country, and not an idle “red neck” spitting hate and idle threats on the web.

Last night Greta conducted an interview with an Arabian friend of Natalee’s family, a businessman who was instrumental in helping Natalee’s parents to locate Joran and his house.

He stated clearly:
- Joran’s father immediately expressed desire to cooperate with the family, and kept offering his help.

- Joran himself immediately expressed desire to cooperate with the family. So he lied! He was probably covering up use of “drugs and alcohol” or some other minor misdemeanor, or simply afraid of “being in a scandal in general”.

- The businessman also confirms that he heard that Natalee did consume alcohol, possibly took drugs, and was initiating contact/flirting with Joran. No this is not a reason to loose one’s life, but her condition and psychological state could possibly give more clues to her actions after she was “dropped off” and help locating her.

Now I don’t know why Natalee’s step father lied, calling Joran and his father “arrogant” and acting like they refused to help, when the very man, who was trying to help the family, is saying otherwise.

I think it would be wise for the hopefully prevailing group of sane and decent Americans to “put a lid” on the empty blabbering of your “red neck” population. Aruba story will soon be forgotten, (and hopefully the Natalee’s story solved with best possible outcome), but the attitude of the “righteous nationalistic few” will hurt your whole country, reputation and image wise, a lot greater than the lack of “few tourists’ money” in Aruba.

You have much greater battles to fight in the world right now. Don’t let those few “win a small battle” and “loose a big war”.

Just like “those few” do not differentiate between “few issues of a criminal case” and the whole Aruba and Holland, the rest of the world may not differentiate between “the few red necks” and decent people…… And soon you may see “Yankee go home!” signs in many places.

Your money can only go so far….. You’re not the only wealthy country on this earth, and its becoming more apparent that “American money may not be worth the hassle and havoc some Americans raise when things do happen “their way”.

I am sending transcript of Cpt. Greg McCrary to all Arubian and Holland authorities and tourism agencies, as demonstration that “normal intelligent American people have normal intelligent attitude”.

[Cmoney]

CancunGirl...what? Paulus and Anita spoke -- in English -- to Greta. Anita was interviewed by Scarborough -- in English. They only gave interviews in Dutch, to Dutch media? That's incorrect.

[SAM]

isn't it suspitious that some details released only after security garde speaks out about pvds coathing the boys. it looks like a cover up to me.

[Lori]

I know this question has been raised before, but I haven't seen anyone post an answer or possible thought about it.

It is being said that the two VDS and the two brothers got together to come up with their story about when/where they dropped Natalee off. Was this before or after it was public that Natalee was missing?

[KDM]

Thanks for that MOSCOWGIRL. Where did you get this? It makes so much sense and validates how I have leaned. As I told you before, many on this site shame me with their ignorance and the PUBLIUS types, who obviously are working with damaged brains need to be ignored and banned for their hate filled nonsense. They represent no one but their sorry selves. So many are natzi types wanting to off Juran and family with proof of nothing. Truly UNAMERICAN really!. That is why I say they represent no one but themselves.

I am glad to finally see some other posters, probably horrified by these same little "re necks" and are also breathing a sigh that Dan's
trying to take the high road now after some questionable ramblings. CMONEY< CHASER - Glad to hear from you! And you too NOTAHANDWRINGER!!

[Katie]

Let's have the nice little Dutch family come visit us in Texas for a nice little BBQ-Texas style and well done!

[Cmoney]

KDM, nice to meet you! And, I'm glad to see that there are some of us who aren't afraid to voice a reasoned opinion -- even if it's not the popular opinion du jour!

[andra Bennett]

Moscowgirl,

I watched thatinterview and you are totally wrong. You are trying to spin this issue away from the truth murders. Your dislike for america is showing. i hope that others on this blog would see for themselves and see this is a lie.

[Mike]

I think this is a very sharp observation.

Blame it on the expats at all costs . Blame it on the Dutch and when ik Backfires call for help from the Dutch.

Is a shame!

[Jim]

Moscowgirl,

Andra is correct. Some of what you put is a lie. Unless your media/tv/news is changing the tranlation you have your facts wrong.

[KDM]

KATIE -

Did you READ Dan's post? Did you hear or read what the FBI has to say?? And you would continue
to post such a stupid threat? You must be married to PUBLIUS!

[sol rosenberg]

There is too much mental masturbation going on here. Urine knows what happened to Natalee that evening. If he's just an innocent little student, then why the flurry of lies? Why does he need the Kalpoes and the DJ to lie for him? If he had nothing to do with this, why would he risk going to prision for someone else? Because his ASS is guilty of something - that's exactly why!

It's really that simple. Really...

[Bobup]

Call the Dutch for help? now that's funny :)

[chaser]

After Mr. FBI man came on FoxNews with his view of things many have remained quiet. May it possibly be that these three guys are indeed innocent, or maybe just guilty of having bad judgment? Have we wasted a months' energy chasing (read destroying!) an innocent family. Oh well, let's find someone else to bomb. I've got an idea! The Chaperones! oh wait, their american citizins. Can't have that! Unbelievable! I hope Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reilly, Geraldo, and everyone else apologize to this family for sending them on a wild goose chase.

[Kerry]

Did I even watch the same interview? I didn't hear any of that from Mr. Croes!

[Mike]

UPDATE KARIN JANSSEN ruined multiple cases!!

Karin Janssen was DA in a very famous case in the Netherlands which was totally ruined!
"De bende van venlo" were a couple of teenagers who were convicted of three murders. Our DA arrested a 15 year old brother of the main suspect. They intimidated him during questioning. The boy was so scared that he confessed to witnessing over 40 murders. The police were diggin in the Netherlands for over a year but there was never any evidence found.

Now I know why she was send to Aruba!!
She wasnt capable of being a Da in the Netherlands and was promoted out!.

[james]

Does anyone know if the DJ Croes, Joran or any of the Kalpoes deal drugs on the island? Maybe everyone is covering for each other because they all deal drugs or one of them is the dealer.

[Dman]

Geraldo Rivera should be bagging fries at Burger King

[james]

If anyone watched the interview with Croes you can tell he is a no good liar. Why would anyone out of the blue call the police and try to say they witnessed something and then 10 days later say they lied? He doesn't look that bright either. He had to cover for his boys.

[Moscow girl]

Posted by: Jim

"Moscowgirl,
Andra is correct. Some of what you put is a lie. Unless your media/tv/news is changing the tranlation you have your facts wrong."

Name one single lie. I am listening to the tape now. What I stated is an abbriviation of what is said on TV, on Fox.

The FBI agent said EXACTLY what I stated.
Arubian businessman said exactly what i stated. He was very un-bias. He described both pros and cons of the situation. He was helping the family to find Joran, but was very objective in his assesment of Joran's father and Joran's behavior during his interview with Greta last night. He did not excuse them. He only stated what he witnessed and heard.

[andra]

Chaser,

I guess you were watch an alternative Fox News station, because your post is false. Your hate for the Government and Bush is showing. PleaSE FIND another blog tovent you anger.

[Bobup]

Tsunder: Time to take your medicine :)

[chaser]

James, as many others you have watched too many mafia movies. These were three decent kids with bad judgment. Typical just like at Mount Brook school. No more, no less.

[FYI]

james, I believe I did read that DJ Croes did have a prior record with drugs.

[islandlife]

Oke just one more lil post:

in one of my first posts i stated that the media, especially fox and chh were very biased and were spreading alot of unconfirmed gossip. most of the news having to be denied later or corrected. It's a damn shame. reading Dan's comment regarding Geraldo is exactly what i ment. The Aruban government has a commission installed that has the sole purpose to correct and inform all media (again especially Fox and CNN) when a rumour gets displayed again. And it has proven to be a pretty heavy job too, considering the huge amount of rumours and uncorrect non verified news spread by the media.
It's a pitty that so much anti Arubanism is fed by these rumours and the tons of assumptions add another big scoop to that. I supose that people using media like this to ventilate an idea should be able to distinguish between facts and fiction. But somehow it is satisfying to certain posters here to hide behind their screen and drop a load of hatred on dutchies, arubans and as i see it everything that's non american. This is what creates the hatred towards you, your own attitude.
FYI i don't hate those that say these things, i pitty you, i hope for you that you one day will see the real meaning of humanity. I dont carry hatred because it's negative energy.
you want a solution stick to the facts, perhaps

One other thing, a fact: you have so many comment on LE in Aruba, how much does the US contibute to LE, moneywise, in Aruba?

[Mike]

" Call the Dutch for help? now that's funny :)"

No its true. Prime Minister requested the help of the Dutch minister of Foreign Policy in his communications. The Dutch have supported the Us in Afghanistan and Iraq together with the English. That is the reason they assked for help.
But I didnt except you read foreign media.
Probably only foxnews