Janssen: No Body, No Crime

This via Hosibokus from Dutch television.

... In yesterday’s interview Paul van der Sloot said that he did not instruct the young suspects not to talk, but explained the judicial procedure to them ... Paul van der Sloot told the boys a few days after the disappearance of Natalee (not to worry because) there is no crime without a body and consequently there will be no case.

... Janssen is certain that this has affected the investigation drastically and caused the suspects to keep their mouths sealed

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Comments

[elaine]

Dan,

i have a funny feeling the kapoe brothers were
threatened into keeping their mouths shuts, so in that regard PVS didn't lie. he didn't instruct them into anything!!

thanks for the update, and remember no gossiping!! LOL!!

[Ryan]

Sheez...how long are we going to be at a "crucial" point in the investigation?

[Nan]

so then signs point again to the sad fact that her poor body will not be found. th

[jiminsandiego]

If there are any Dutch legal experts out there that can answer this, is lying to investigators a crime or giving false testimony a crime.

[Katie]

His comment of not to worry because there's no crime without a body seems to make it all the more suspect that he KNOWS what happened to Natalee. I mean, how would he be so confident of a body not showing up if he wasn't involved!?

[MB]

So in essence, or at least what I get from reading PVDS comments, he is confident that no body will be found. If this is a true interview and those statements that he made, are in fact true, then that says a whole lot.

If they claim, as they are, that they have no idea what happened to her, why would you make such a damning statement against yourself or your son. So which is it, you don't know what happened to her because they left her at the beach? Or your advice to your child is, no body, no crime. That smells highly of, "they can't prosecute you", since such a good job was done of disposing of the body.

Does this make sense to anyone else? What a stupid statement for him to make on his part, if it's true.

[Shari]

Could she have been cremated? No body, no crime.

[dirtystockbird]

This is an awful development that papa VDS has pulled off. What is even worse is that he wsa in a position to do so. Rather than being locked up, these thugs were cleaning up the evidence and disposing the body. It is not likely to be found with a few days to pack it away and this Aruba system has blood on its hands. What a bunch of keystone cops...Yeah America botches investigaions but they get one and they F$#$ it up bc VDS godfather is in on it and Aruba doesn't care while hoping the story just goes away.....

If this wsa my daughter and the punk was let go....God help that poor boy because he would be mine. Yes Im angry and tired of the BS.

[annie]

I have a couple of questions for Aruban legal experts. The prosecutor seems to feel that even if PVS told them "no body, no crime", that it was poor advice because they still could be tried for the crime without a body. At least I believe that is what I heard her say in tonights FOX news Hannity & Colmes segment.

Either way, I have to admit that even making such a remark is rather suspicious. Why would someone make a remark like that if they didn't already know the body would never be found (or presumed it wouldn't because they knew the process of eliminating the body)?

[annie]

I have another question. Did anyone think that JVS had a bit of a smirk on his face when the cameras were on him getting in the car in tonights Hannity & Colmes? He seemed pretty self-assured. One think I did notice though, is that his face seemed broken out (stress most likely attributed to the breakouts). Maybe by detaining him even longer and keeping his family from him, friends from him he could break over time?

[ralf]

No body, no crime...no accessory charges on the father for keeping his mouth shut.

Or do they even have accessory charges in Aruba?

If no one talks, everyone walks. Great parental advice. The OJ saga, tourist edition.

[Katie]

So how difficult would it be for him to have her body cremated and then the remains are buried or disposed of in a body of water?

[Shari]

That's what I said.

[Katie]

As Shari mentioned, it's possible that he had her body cremated right? And then the next step would have been to dispose of the remains somewhere?

[sara]

katie and shari:

i asked someone last weekend about cremation, and they do not have a crematory on the island, so it is not an option.

[Shari]

If he has connections with sonnyboy's godsfather as previously menitoned, it's easy to get the crematorium open at any hour of the night and very easily disposed of. You would NEVER find a body that way.

[Shari]

how about the boat dj transporting her body overseas?

[Shari]

I meant overseas for cremation.

[Ari]

Transporting a body, whatever the means, would have left tons of forensic evidence. I believe Toronto has a better theory.

[harry]

If Paulus van der Sloot gave such advice to the three kids, all he has done is predict the situation in which Janssen finds the Aruban prosecution effort at this moment. Contrary to the position that the kids go free, if they don't find a body, we should appreciate the situation, as one in which the Aruban prosecution never had a case in the first place. Consequently, where was the justice that was allegedly obstructed by the kids' lying and the media-amplified intentions of Paulus van der Sloot?

[FuckPaulVanDerSloot]

Im sick of this sociopathic family getting away with this shit.

FUCK YOU PAUL VAN DER SLOOT AND YOUR FUCKING SICK SON.

I HOPE YOU BOTH FRY.

[annie]

About the cremation overseas - don't you think by now Natalee's picture and face have been plastered enough all over the world that even if sent to another place to be cremated, someone would see it was Natalee and "snitch", even if for money? I mean there has to be a point where PVS can only rule so much, and then money talks real loudly.

[Shari]

I'm just throwing out possibilities, nothing more. You can bet she was in the trunk of the car at some point and transported somewhere.

[michele in Bham]

All they had to do was dump her body into one of those bottomless mine shafts or dump her off the side of the island where the sharks are.

[CancunGirl]

MB
I agree with you. And on CNN they showed the interview that P and A VDS gave where he confirmed that he did tell the boys "not to worry, if there was no body there would be no crime". It seems they might be sure the body will never be found, plus, in a few days another Judge of Instruction has to review the case and decide if these 3 boys would be held for the next phase which would be 60 days.
Nancy Grace has said that it is confirmed that Joran VDS has changed his story 8 times already, which should be good enough grounds to keep him into the next phase.
CancunGirl

[Dar]

Well this really stinks...Loose lips sinks ships is the Vander Sloot/Kalpoe pact!!! Well then as soon as they release those girly boys...and they hook up with Sloot the father goose.

A Hummer loaded with some Good Ole boys should pull up and take them for a ride to see the sharks being feed. Maybe that would loosen up their tongues just a little bit......

[harry]

Annie:

I hope you don't think a competently-corrupt group would have Natalee cremated at any crematorium. They would choose one that catered to their clandestine activities. (Body Disposal 101)

[RstJ]

Why is der Sloot the Elder even talking about a "body" at all? Two days into the case and this guy knows she's dead. Yeah, that's not suspicious. And he's wrong, of course. No matter how good a job they did disposing the body, a confession would still send all of them to prison.

But to switch topics, anybody else notice that when Beth Twitty is asked anything about Natalee's room, she seems to get a panicked look on her face and start looking around all over the place?

RstJ

[Dar]

Harry:

The comment about no body no crime is because sharks leave nothing behind and if they do the smaller fish clean up the left overs Paul knows there is no body to be found...not because there was no body but becuase he watched the sharks eat it. SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE

[Katie]

Hi RstJ,

Maybe the mentioning of the room overwhelms her with emotions about her daughter because this was her daughter's room and her daughter's suitcase is still in there.

[MurfTN]

Marcia Twitty in Alabama has requested on Nancy Grace that everyone take .37 stamp and write to the Ambassador at the Royal Netherlands Embassy
4200 Linnean Avenue N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20008

and ask them to continue and further assistance with the disappearance of Natalee

[harry]

Dar:

Sharks, even great whites, would not get all the body. I believe the notion of discarding a body around Aruba in the hopes that sharks would destroy the evidence have been disproved by tide, current and shark frequency and diet shortcomings. If the water is selected for disposal, it is better to submerge the body in order to allow the crustaceans to devour it. (Body Dispoal at Sea 101a)

[Letshelp]

These people get more disgusting every day. No body, no crime. It sounds as if even the father doesn't have any remorse at what was done to Natalee. But he's so self-satisfied with his disposal of an innocent probably raped and certainly murdered girl that he is practically bragging: no body, no crime.

What kind of people are these? And Aruba is still protecting them, they are still getting community support, my god.

[mora68]

I hate to say this, but, I do believe that she was 'accidentally' killed, and the only way to cover this up would be to discard the body...it is a well known fact that the sharks are fed on the one side of the island...the water is tretorous(sp?) there...divers are not about to search there...a perfect crime, and who better then the knowledgable judge to figure this out.

Joran probably called Dad because he had a big problem, Dad drives out there, not knowing what the big problem is, sees the problem and covers for his son because, no matter what any parent says, we will protect our children. It doesnt make it right, it is just a fact.

I pray for closure soon, for Natalee's family.

[Letshelp]

I don't think most parents love for their children extends to hiding a body. And I don't think it was an accident, if it had been an accident then van der Sloot could have fixed it with the local police.

I certainly hope that most parents wouldn't throw out an 18 year old girl like she was a piece of trash without a second thought just to protect the psycho they had raised.

[John]

Let me start by saying my heart is very sad for Beth Holloway and the rest of Natalee's family.

There is no investigation going on. Everything we here is based on lies. It does make sense to me however, that the only truth to come out so far from the suspects is that the police did get the Kalpoes and Juran to squeel on each other about the Kalpoes dropping Juran and Natalee off at the Marriott. Juran has admitted to that part. Nothing else has come out of holding them because that part is true and the Kalpoes don't know anything after that.
The only other truth is that there is no evidence of any kind in this investigation. This is one big coverup from the start. I don't believe the police bungled the investigation. I believe it was intentional. Even if a body is discovered, there is nothing to link a crime to anyone. Just being the last one seen with someone is not a crime.
Therefor, if Juran does't talk, we will never know what really happened.

[mona]

The saga continues.....I find the hypocrisy unbelievable and this from the prosecutors!!!!!The white boys werent picked up immediatly because they(prosecutors) had to have some evidence first....ask mickey john how much evidence they had on him..... total...total bullshit. Clearly this bunch is too close to the parties involved to have ever treated this case properly from the get go....

[bamaguy11]

Letshelp,

Agreed, with the VDS family influence within the Aruban government, a coverup would not have been necessary with an accidental death. Unless of course, the "accidental death" involved GHB/drug and rape. In that case, evidence would be present(big trouble for Urine). The new footage of that sob leaving in the police car is very telling. Did anyone notice the smirk on his face?

[harry]

Mora68:

The spokesperson for the Aruban government assured us that there had been no sighted sharks feeding anywhere around the island of Aruba in the last 40 years. Furthermore, I do not believe that Paulus van der Sloot, despite all his alleged connections, summoned the sharks of the Caribbean for an unsavory, human buffet on the night that Natalee disappeared.

[mora68]

And you believe the Aruban gov't...ok...my bad...I forgot how dependable they are...

[bamaguy11]

Apologize for the following rant...

First of all, I believe that the majority of Aruban citizens are good people. However, I smell a coverup. The signs are too numerous to mention. All of America should boycott and the pressure should be turned up on the Aruban officials. I get a feeling that alot of Arubans are sick of this behavior. Well, Aruba it's time to make some changes and it's time to make things right.

[Letshelp]

Yes, he's evil. He knows he is going to get away with it. And not only that, there isn't an ounce of remorse or sorrow on his face. He doesn't care, he probably got off on it.

I hate to say it, but 'shooting him down like a dog' gives dogs a bad name.

He's now learned that not only can he drug and rape girls at will, which he's probably been doing already, but he can murder them and walk away free.

All he has to do next time is remember to come up with a better story.

[Curio]

Harry has my vote of probabilities. A heavy wheel rim secured tightly to the ankles would have done the job. And DJ had the boat.

(Body Disposal at Sea 101 a.1)

Makes me sick!

[Ari]

What is pathetic in this situation is that the LE keeps pounding on three boys without searching for other leads. So they don't want to talk. Fine. It is their right not to talk. Go and search elsewhere, and if you can prove they committed a crime chop their heads off.

[harry]

Bamaguy & Letshelp:

There is only a cover up when a crime has been committed. The Aruban authorities and the FBI have not proved, much less concluded, that a crime has been committed in Natalee's disappearance. I realize that is a sad fact, but it is the reality right now.

[Letshelp]

Just because a crime can't be proven doesn't mean no crime was committed.

I know the boys are going to go free for lack of evidence, but that doesn't make them innocent.

It makes them liars who got very lucky from a botched investigation and plenty of time to cover their tracks.

Anyone who thinks these three are innocent needs a reality check

[bamaguy11]

harry,

I agree, Natalee just vanished without a trace, lots of lies for no reason....right?

No one has confessed, no body, no evidence....doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. It means it can't be "proven"

[Ari]

.. doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. It means it can't be "proven"

Well, there are lots of "virtual" crimes. The justice system is never involved in those.

[harry]

Steve Croes bothers me. Whereas the three kids lied to avoid being implicated by the Napoleonic Code and the security guards worked laborously to escape the Napoleonic Code, Steve Croes goes out of his way to implicate himself into the Napoleonic Code. Why? The Fox Detective Advisor's reason of grandiose-seeking impulsiveness is too shallow. And, as many posters have mentioned, Croes does have access to a boat.

[mora68]

I know that Croes has access to a boat, but, I thought I heard he was just the DJ on the boat, that he does not know how to "drive" it ...