Fourth Man

At this point all I know is the same name some folks are kicking around but can't confirm, sorry.

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[Chris]

No news on Mimi as for the name of the 4th person being arrested?

[Hman]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruban authorities have arrested a new suspect in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, the prosecutor’s office announced Friday.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender.

The arrest was made at 6:25 a.m. local time, the office stated.

Qouted from the MSN webpage located here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8218429/

[Florida Girl]

So as I understand it -

1)fourth guy was taken into custody last night and was being questioned.

2)fifth guy arrested this morning (different from guy above).

I have heard two names "lorenzo" and "person with initials SGC"...

Is this correct and can anyone tell which one is which?

[Checkme]

Lorenzo is the son of the deceased VW car dealer, seems to be very much related to drug use and possibly dealing. SGC, probably family name "Croes" (half of the island has that family name) is said to be "friends" with with JVDS. The 4th man is related to the Kalpoes.

[Florida Girl]

Thanks checkme....

[Monty]

Lorenzo's dad is a member of the Aruban paramillitary, skilled at black ops, etc, during the unrest during the 1970s.

[fred]

A Smugglers' Paradise

The Intercon Financial Bank on Aruba is represented by the law-firm Croes & Wever. One of the partners is former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. The firm's trust-company Arulex was implicated in setting up the bank. ""Yes, we are involved with that bank"," says Croes. ""We still handle all their legal affairs, but we don't know anything of their financial accounts"." (70)

Hendrik Croes – a brother of the island's legendary leader, the late Betico Croes who guided Aruba to its semi-independent status in the Dutch realm – is one of the leading political figures on the island. He led several election campaigns for the MEP, now in the opposition. The Croes Family has been accused of ties with Cuntrera-Caruana. The Sicilian mafiosi payed for a trip of another brother, Rudy Croes (who succeeded Hendrik as Minister of Justice in a previous MEP government) as party secretary to a meeting of the Socialist International in Turkey. This has not been denied.

Paolo Cuntrera visited the island regularly despite his expulsion in 1988. The government opposed his legal actions for re-admittance. But Hendrik Croes has to admit the procedures were not stainless. A blundering government lawyer, an official who signed a residence permit 'by mistake', meant that "de facto" Paolo Cuntrera was able to circulate freely on the island.

According to Canadian police reports, in 1978, Pasquale Cuntrera owned the Holiday Inn Casino – although the registers indicated otherwise. ""At the start of 1980s the Cuntrera's were often at the Holiday Inn casino"," says a croupier. ""In 1989 they were there again, although they were ostensibly thrown of the island"."

DEA agent David Lorino, the case-officer in Operation Wiseguy, claims that ""when the Cuntrera's moved to Venezuela they carried some 15 to 30 million dollars with them, which were invested in hotels in Caracas, but also on Curaçao and Aruba"." 71 The DEA had used the Miami-based Italian-born Venezuelan business man Raffaele Bellizzi to contact Pasquale Cuntrera. Before 1983 Bellizzi owned a shipping-company, but that year it went bankrupt because of the debt-crises in Venezuela. ""He told us that his ships transported narcotics and money from Caracas to Aruba and Europe","says Lorino. As mentioned before Canadian investigations show that the clan used Aruba as a trampoline for cocaine to North America. (72)

According to Lorino, ""the names Cuntrera and Caruana were well known on the island"." Now nobody on Aruba wants to know that these gentle and well mannered Sicilians ever existed. ""Oh, but a lot of people knew them then","says Bianca de Mey, who set up the company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien", which was the holding for a nightclub and pizzeria for the Cuntreras. The company now has nothing to do with them any more, she adds.

The Cuntrera's must have felt at home on Aruba. The island has been a smugglers' paradise, since colonial times, when it was used to evade the Spanish trade monopoly. Whatever disagreements Arubans may have – and they have a lot – this is something they readily admit. Even Prime Minister Eman acknowledges ""it is an island of smugglers ... For years Aruba was the most important coffee exporter, while there is no coffee-plant to be found on the island"." Aruba is also the biggest exporter of Philip Morris cigarettes and every imaginable kind of whisky. On Aruba it is all imported and exported according to the rules. What they do at the other side on the South American mainland is not the problem of the islanders. Legal trade or contraband, the difference is thin. ""A lot of families became very rich with this trade","says Eman. ""This went on for

[PietjeZz]

yeah ive heard since a week and a half ago that some " Lorenzo" was involved! A friend told me that a friend of his had seen Natalee with this guy in particular hand in hand!
So to my knowledge,it is Lorenzo another(wealthy) Dutch guy living on the island for many years!
This guy has an reputation of "insanity" a wild life style and being spoiled!
The other guy no idea who he is!
Rmemember, these are recent arrest, by ending of the day or tommorow i should know more!

But i must admit...i'm not slamming Aruba or it's law enforcemt department but this investigation is going no where!!!
The government should give the green light into giving permission to the FBI to take over this case in it's entirity!
My point is the FBI has way more experience into such cases! they deal with them daily!
They have much more knowledge,tactics and sophesticated intruments into helping to solve this case!
The Aruban police on the other hand dont have this experience! doesnt mean their bad,its just prooves Aruba doesnt have much missing persons,murder cases and stressfull situations like this one going on!
By far this is the biggest investigation in the history of Aruba!
It doesn't mean they are not working on giving results! It's just they are not used to such cases!
that's why it would be very handy and helpfull if the Arubian government gives the greenlight for the FBI to help more or take over!
Right now they are just assisting here and there with minor matters,they do not have any jurisdiction into going much further than just assisting and supervising!

Again,this is not slamming the Aruba name!
I'm sure if this were the USA they would have done a lie detector test! right?
such facts do help in these stressfull cases!!
It will determine if these people involve are lying YES OR NO!!!
Everyday it seems the trail is getting colder and colder and the chance of finding Natalee Holloway alive is getting slim!
This is if a crime was commited!

Yet some people start to think that this is a setup by the parents itself! and that she is alive some where,but not on the island!
Again i refer to this,Aruba is 74 square miles and flat as a pancake! With so many people searching on land and in the air,even bloodhounds that have a smell of 50.000 times superior to the human being.
A chopper with special cameras and equipment to detect human remains(if they were buried) and yet absolutly nothing has been found!

To be continued....

[Checkme]

That must have been the Royal Marines then. They were the only ones trained for riot control at that time.

[Marigot Bay]

CNN tv saisdhis name was "Steve Cruze" owned a bar or nightclub in the "highrise hotel" area whatever that is. They went to the house that was raided this morning and spoke to the Uncle of the guy who provided the details.

[Checkme]

I cannot believe how CNN gets these names so fast. Steve Croes... The high rise area is like the strip of hotels on the palm beach, one of the hotels is the Holiday Inn.

[Marigot Bay]

They went to the house that was raided this morning. The uncle lives next door, they talked to him and he provided the information. Guys got a 26 years old, divorced 2 year old kid "good quiet kid" the uncle claims. Seems everyone's a nice quiet person over there :)

[Chelsea]

Argh!! CNN TV might get names quickly but CNN.com sure doesn't!! I've been following this story since it began and find it very interesting. I work all day so my only source of up to date info are this and a few other blogs. Fox and CNN's websites are just not as up to the minute as the blogs. So keep on writing! I'm ready to see this case resolved!!

[Profiler1]

So much speculation, so little facts. When the truth surfaces many of you will look like hacks. At this stage of the investigation, chances are still 50/50 that Natalee is still alive. Aruba has a pretty extensive underground network. The net is getting wider and fish are being brought in. There are more to come.

[Gill]

I am a clerk at the station down here.. Steve Cruze's criminal file shows detailed history of assault/battery charges against women (and one unlawful touching) all of them dropped though with help of a clever Aruban lawyer, Barton Van Tripp. His family is very wealthy, owns the newspaper down here.. these three guys were 'runners' for Cruze so maybe that's why they aren't singing.

[Florida Girl]

CheckMe....

Cruze or Croes?.......which one?

[Checkme]

Gill,

Which newspaper?

[Getagrip]

Fox confirming that the detainee's name is Steve Croes.

[LornaD]

Steve Croes is the name of the fourth suspect, according to Fox News sources.

[Florida Girl]

Gill....tell us more... what are "runners" in Aruba...

Fox just reported:

The name is Steve Croes (they pronounced it "cruze"), 26 years old, arrested in connected with the disappearance of Natalee. Steve Croes is a friend of JVDS.

[Hman]

fox news is reporting (on TV) at this very moment about the 4th suspect.

[Checkme]

There is no "Cruze" on the island. It can only be Cruz, Croeze ot Croes. I think it's Steve Croes.

[the luci]

Aruba has a different type of government than we in the US are used to. Specifically, in the US, we are accustomed to 1st Amendment free speech, as other constitutional guarantees. In Aruba, criminal investigations and trials are decidedly different--private, that is. In Aruba, investigators and judges keep things under wraps until they have the WHOLE story. In the US, we hear about everything as its going along.

My point is that everyone is saying that this investigation is going nowhere. How would you know? First off, no one can say that this case would be solved if the US were involved. It seems that way, but that's just speculation.

Secondly, Aruba won't give details until they have finished the case. Its very possible that the FBI is very involved in the case. Aruba may have asked for the FBI's help, but ALSO asked them to keep their lips sealed. So for all we know, the FBI may be doing most of the work on the case. We have no idea.

For all we know, the US could be doing interrogation and research.

[paul]

Steve Croes - has flight time with Air Aruba:

http://www.arubaaviation.com/fqpilots.html

Pilot#24

A prior poster noted the island has many Croes - so this could simply be a relative. Also note that the prosecutor spokesperson's last name is, guess what - CROES. Isn't that interesting.

[Larl]

Steve Croes investigated --- please this is top secret dont tell anyone -- i dont want to get in truble!-- i cannot tell you much but i tell you this, Steve Croes is a bad bad man he does bad bad things!!! look into slavery issue --- selling slaves to drug runners/immigration etc... also his ties to CIA and human experiments in 1990s...dont tell them i tell you!!!

[Checkme]

LOL!!!
Very funny Larl...

The think nobody understands about Aruba is that there are no secrets here. Everybody knows everything.

[newby]

Quick search of a "steve croes" finds an Aruban pilot by that name. He works for Air Aruba which "plays a critical role in the air transportation sector for the so called 'ABC
islands,' namely: Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao." No idea whether or not this is the same guy. Could be a bad sign for those who think she was taken off the island.

[kudzu]

I did a search on Steve Croes and found his pic posted here http://216.55.182.166/emanonsc. Also found a Steve Croes listed as a pilot in Aruba. Also found a Steve Croes who had taken Emergency Medical Technician (EMT)training. He certainly seems to have some skills which could be useful to a person involved in such scenarios as I can imagine the three arrested were involved in regarding Natalee.

[LornaD]

I have a link to a possible homepage of Croes. May I post it?

[Florida Girl]

Larl....don't post that if you don't have resources to provide......

I just heard the Government spokesman in Aruba say he "heard" that the connection between JVDS and Steve Croes could have possibly been online in some capacity, email, etc....

[Florida Girl]

kudzu......

that link does not work

LornaD.....

please do

[Anj]

Conflicting posts..one says Lorenzo is the son of a deceased VW dealer.....and a diff post says his dad is a member of the Aruban parliamentary.......
SEE WHAT I MEAN?:..PPL STOP PUTTING IN BLOGS YOU KNOW ARE BS ONE IS RIGHT..ONE IS WRONG BECAUSE IF HE IS DECEASED HE ISNT A MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT ETC... most if not all these reader posts who think they contribute should do us all a favor and just be a READER...

[observer]

lorna-
please post

[Florida Girl]

the prosecutor spokeswoman is talking now on fox and denies any relation to Steven Croes... her name is Mariaine Croes... says it is a very common name on the island.

[LornaD]

Dan, delete if you see fit.

I wonder if this was his website, which appears to have been taken down.
http://216.55.182.166/emanonsc

cached version
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:SCchOeSdilUJ:216.55.182.166/emanonsc+%22steve+croes%22+aruba&hl=en

Also, could this guy be an EMS tech?

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:aJXwN_WjShcJ:www.medserv.org/modules.php%3Fname%3DAmazon%26op%3Dclick%26asin%3D0130319511+%22steve+croes%22+aruba&hl=en

the best book to pass the N.R.E.M.T exam, May 7, 2001
Reviewer: "emanon_sc" (Aruba in the ducht Carribean) - See all my reviews

this book is one of the best books to help you to pass the national registry emergency medical technician exam. I self had lessons with the 8/e and that was good but when i saw this book,it is the best thats wy i wnat to buy this book with his work book.

thanks to let me share my review from this book

sencerly yours Steve Croes

[Caty]

Just saw on Fox News:

"Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee's mother, declined to give any more details about "Steve" but she told Associated Press Television News that she believes more people could be detained in the case."

Looks like this may be more than a case of alleged date rape.

[HY]

Picture of Steve Croes partying it up.

http://elektron.et.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

[Hman]

The goverment spokesman did say that the investigation is proceeeding and they are "very excited and feel they are a step closer to resolving the case"

[observer]

HY-
Interesting... the only look from that page is to a site from "Suriname" isn't that where the brothers are from and known for its sex trade?

[Joie]

Are people from ARUBA posting here? I am confused as some are saying "here" like they are in fact in Aruba or Arubians. Can someone clear this up for me?

[Getagrip]

Loranzo, interrogated yesterday, is the son of the businessman who committed suicide.
Steve Croes, the one arrested this morning, is supposedly the son of the high ranking justice official.

Sorry if you cant keep up, Anj ;)

The link that HY provided seems to be the Steve Croes in question, per the Scared Monkeys discussion board. He works for a 'party boat' in Aruba : http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/

[kim]

scaredmonkeys site has a pic of a Stue Croes born 1978

[mafalda]

croes in aruba is as common as smith in usa

[Hman]

I feel that the FBI is really running the show in the invesitgation but their (FBI) hands are tied by the Aruba laws. This MIGHT be be why it took so long to obtain a search warrant.

This is just an opinion of mine and should not be taken as fact.

[Getagrip]

Correction, in the page that HY posted, Steve Croes is the one holding the Bacardi bottle, near the bottom of the photo collage.

[claire]

photo of him here too-apparently a crazy driver!!!

http://elektron.et.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

[LornaD]

If that pic is the Steve Croes in question, then I do not think it is the same one in the links I found. That one seems older to me. Odd though the homepage and all those pics were taken down even though he only set it up in January, 2005.

[Getagrip]

Lorna, in the Scared Monkeys discussion board, they originally thought it was the guy you referred to, but discounted that. There are 2 people in the forum that know the Bacardi bottle Steve Croes and are confirming that this is the guy who got arrested.

[claire]

ok-am confused-is it my guy the right one then?

[Getagrip]

The one you linked to seems to be the right one, claire