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Blogs are for pussies -- like you. What a coincidence.

Hi i'm from Aruba. I wont to let people now that
Aruba is a save island. I'm very proud of my country. This is a very serious case for us. Please let we pray for Natalee and hope that tommorow we will find her.

Does Natalee Holloway have a pet dog. If so, some should take the dog to search for Natalee. If no dog, there should some dogs at the site searching.

no email because I don't junk.

Blogs are for pussies? Gladney, you're a dense, pathetic dickweed. Spend a fraction of a second listening to yourself and contemplating your tantrum.

I recognize you. You're the pantywaist in the ironed shorts hogging the girl's monkeybars in second grade. Try getting some fiber in your diet.

We in Aruba are very sad with the disappearance of Natalee. But we have to mention that non of the people detained are from Aruba. The three guys in the car where one Dutchmen and the two others where from Surinam. The two security guards detained are Jamaicans. This is not to be racist but just to clarify that there are no Arubans evolved until this moment. We all pray and hope this comes to an end.

Hi, my questions is what happen with the others student. I think that they suppose to now something or see something. And what about the
chaperone? they are responsible for her behaviour.

My mother always taught me if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Some of you would have to become mute if you followed that philosophy.

I was just searching on the latest news on Natalee and came wandered upon this blog. For the record, most people in Alabama are conservative, so the wise crack about another liberal being gone was sooooo far off base, it's not funny. I'm conservative and I made plenty of stupid decisions as a kid. Yes, 18 years old is still a kid. I don't think most folks get a clue until they are about 25 or so. No offense to you young whipper snappers. I'm not trying to say that Natalee made any mistakes. We don't know what happened, so let's just do what we can to help out. At the very least, pray for her and her family. I can't imagine what they are going through right now.

I pray that Natalee be found alive. I pray for strength for her family. I pray for wisdom for those searching for her.

I also pray for the trolls that stir things up on fine blogs like this one. May the Lord give them a clue!

Another Dan from Alabama

This back and forth Bullshit between you boys is getting real old. If everybody would just ignore Joe G. and Bill maybe they will just go away.

Or maybe not...It seems as though these two have nothing better to do!

Natalee you are in our toughts and prayers!!!


Wow Dan, this story here sure is garnishing a bunch of attention. I guess being at the top of the google search helps.

Honestly people, we all hope Natalie isn't dead in a gutter somewhere, but you have to realize this happens daily in our country, in every city. You just never hear about it. It's unfortunate that she's most likely to become a statistic, but that's the world today. I'm not blaming her, but she probably wasn't careful enough with who she decided to get into a car with.

The only reason it's garnished national attention is because of the fact that she was on a field trip and more than one person noticed her dissapearance.

Now, Joe, Bill - you two are slimeballs. Plain and simple. Slow minded retards who like spewing bullshit out of their pieholes and running away to spew it again another day. I invite you over to my blog, I could use another troll or two to lambast. Morons.

I feel really bad that many people are blaming Natalee for not being "smart" or "careful". A few years ago a friend and I were on a cruise and stopped at Carlos and Charlies in Cozumel. She went to the bathroom without me and never came back. After a frantic search for nearly two hours I found her asleep in our cabin on the ship with a note from the guard at the ships entrance. It said, "Your friend was walked out of Carlos and Charlies by a native, but an American tourist noticed what was going on and took her from the man. That tourist found her ship card and brought her back here." I was terrified at what could have happened. In the morning my friend had no recollection of anything. We know her drink was tampered with b/c she definitely didn't drink enough to black out. So if you think Natalie was being stupid, maybe she didn't have the presence of mind to make the right choice!

Maybe you richt Sarah but what about the other students, no one see her leave with the 2 guys?

Hi, I just want to say something.

I just came back from the 4th day search with a good buddy of me and went online and accidentally found this site.

I read some bad things that came from some messed up-forgotten-accidentally born weedwackers.

Nobody knows what has happend yet. They did however find some belongings from her. The search until now continues....

To clarify some things said above:
I am from Aruba and been living here 13 years now. This has never happened before. Last year 2 Americans were missing (parents let son swim on North side and drowns, fathers rescues and drowns also). We have had armed robberies, there has been shootings. But NO, never anybody was kidnapped. Neither do we sell ladies all the time, in fact NEVER. And whatever happened: It is a coincedence that it was an American. So the American ladies can come here and have fun.

Lets not jump the conclusions, and wait what happens.

Dont think we don't care, because like me, many people are giving up days without pay to search for her.

My prayers go to the family friends and Natalee.


Ron

I think eveyone dropped the ball. Why would the other students let her go with the strangers?
Why didn't anyone alert one of the adults that was supposedly with them? It really doesn't make much sense at all. I would like to see more info coming from the authorities down there though.

I am from the same home town as Natalee and am 19 years old, one year older than her. Being in the same "stereotype" that she has been placed, I can say thruthfully that she probably was indeed naive to the danger surrounding her. If I had not already learned from Natalee's story and I was in a situation similar, I would probably be naive as well.

I pray for Natalee, Natalee's family and friends and all who are looking for her...

Has anyone entertained the idea that perhaps she was taken to another island as part of a prostitution ring, sold as a bride, or exchanged for drugs, money, etc.? She's out there somewhere, I pray they bring her home alive.

Obviously Joe the Freak doesn't have kids. If he did then he'd know that kids make Stupid mistakes EVERY day! It's part of growing up-Ever heard of live and learn? Difference between Nat. and the tsunami victims is that some Freak like Joe is probably tourturing her right now- Come on people show some compassion. Is it really that difficult to care for your fellow human being?

According to CNN, the attorney representing the two detainees stated that they have been charged, not officially, with a homicide related crime or conspiracy to commit homicide. Moreover, the attorney also said that one suspect was at home that night and the other one was indeed out partying, but with his wife. In other words, they're categorically denying any involvement. This doesn't make any sense to me. Aruba is so small; 99.9% of all crimes are solved. You can't go anywhere. Then again, most criminals have the IQ of a mothball.

Read this. Very scary, but very true, and yes this has happened in Aruba before.

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/4578420/detail.html#

Dan's a total idiot. In case that fact escaped anyone.

Hey, it's after 5 p.m., I guess some of the Arubans are getting up now -- we should be hearing from them soon.

And Dan, you sanctimonious fuck, someone posted a phone number and address of a Joe Gladney somewhere in Alabama and you, you self-righteous cock-sucker, you left that up. Just for the record, it's not me so you are seriously violating someones privacy but that seems to be the kind of fuck you are. You'll pull a post 'cause it uses the word nigger but you'll leave a serious privacy breech up.

Well you know what Dan? Fuck you. Fuck your mother. Ya know why I say that? 'Cause you take it you faggot (no offence to homos).

Joe...no one is interested in this selfish argument you are keeping alive. Please stop putting up your hateful comments. You are right, in this country you do have the right to voice your opinion, but why say something that would cause someone else to hurt. Can't you just focus on the importance of this site like everyone else. Thank you.

Here's the latest dirt right from some media sources. She apparently has had problems and disputes with family members in the past, mainly her stepfather and stepmother..... She has pulled a running away/disappearing act in the past back home..... She also wrote some cryptic message in her yearbook pertaining to traveling or going away. The two guys that have been detained have admitted to law enforcement officials of selling her drugs. Furthermore, other tourists who were staying at the hotel commented about the out of control behavior of the teenagers and their drinking habits resembling sailors arriving at a port.

Clarification to prevent Joe from making another hurtful statement...I meant anonymous

People !! Don't judge our island Aruba with what is happening right now, it's the first time that this happens in Aruba compared to many countries when it happens almost everyday, including the US. And all those people that don't have a clue about Aruba please don't write B.S. about "girls are being sold"..etc..etc....NOT TRUE !!
On thing that is true is that many tourists come here and "indulge" themselves with cocaine, alcohol, sex, parties etc, and that's their choice. According to many tourist staying at the hotel some of these girls were having a blast like "Wild on Aruba", after Carlos & Charlies it's still a mistery what happened to Natalee. Let's hope that she's fine and that we can return her safe to her family.
Personally I don't discard that she's met someone here and she wanted to stay a couple more days, and probably didn't thought about all this exposure that her disappearance is getting, and maybe now she is afraid to come forward. Let’s be positive and pray for her safe return.

First, I am in disbelief as to the hateful comments which some people have felt the need to post. Let us say that at this point no one cares what she intentionally did or did not do before/after leaving that club. NO ONE deserves to have their life shattered even if it might have been brought about by a misguided decision.
Second, for those of you who have assumed she left we black men you may want to do some research instead of assuming. Just like the US, Surinam is made up of many ethnicities and races; many of which have a Latin American appearance.
Besides who are you to judge anyone else's moral fiber when you post your ignorance on the internet for the whole world to see. Please spare us your small minded commentary...the rest of us are more concerned with the well-being of Natalee and her family and not any decision she may or may not have made.

pazuzu- i bet everybody there was drinking like sailors- duh vacation, get it? also to the real joe gladney i wish i knew you personally so i could kick your rotten ass, and even though im a girl and from alabama i bet i could make you cry you miserable disgusting freak, do us all a favor and die real soon.

White, black?? What does race have to do with crime? Serial Killers: Ted Bundy, Joh Wayne Gacy, Henry Lee Lucas, David Berkowitz, Jack The Ripper...etc ...all of them as white as a bed sheet. Political figures...Eichman, Hydriech, Himmler, Hitler, Stalin, Ceausescu, Pinochet...etc...white as a bed sheet.

Tonia- I agree that people drink on vacation, however, these were eighteen year old kids being SUPERVISED. Yes, the legal drinking age is eighteen down there but you're still technically bending the law because of U.S. citizen status back home. For example, prostitution is tolerated-not legal contrary to popular believe-in Holland, and should you procure the use of a prostitute overseas you could technically face legal ramifications back in the U.S.

I pray that she is fine and that they will find her as soon as posible.

I will say my prayers for her.
"You, O Lord, keep my lamp burning.
My God turns my darkness into Light."
Psalm 18:28
I hope the Good Lord embraces her and
brings her home.
Lets be careful boys and girls when
traveling and partying in other countries.
God Bless!

Friends,

It seems as there is not much else to say. I don't want to speculate because that's exactly what it would be; speculation. I just hope for Natalee's safe return.

Some of the more -- how shall we say? -- vocal posterers only continue to post because we enable them. Just let them be and they will likely go away. Perhaps they are in need of prayer too. It's difficult to know someone's motivations.

Dano -- you didn't like those eh?

It's got to gall you just a bit that you can't stop me from posting? Come on, admit it ya putz.

Joe

P.S. You did the right thing taking down the JG address. I shoulda called him and told him to sue your dumb-ass.

Great points Beth. Dan, keep up the good work on this story.

Just so that you know, this has happened before. Amy Bradley went missing 7 years ago in Aruba. Look here for info....

http://www.thejacksonchannel.com/news/4578420/detail.html?rss=jac&psp=news

I am worried sick about this child. It is so unfair that this had to happen to such a bright girl. She has so much ahead of her. I mourn for her family for the agony and fear they are having to go through, but I pray that God bring her back to them safely. Dear God, please keep her safe!

Amy Bradley disappeared from Curacao.

Pazuzu and Jose said something about maybe she disappeared intentionally; I certainly hope that's the case, although I hate to say I doubt it. Right after the Jennifer Wilbanks hoax? She might be naive, but she doesn't sound outright stupid.
I can't even imagine what her PARENTS are going through right now--it's got to be absolute hell on earth for them. Is her family in Aruba right now?

ok, let's review this closely, hmmm..... She got in a car with dudes she didn't know. Who's to blame? well, in my opinion, don't blame all the Arubians, blame the alcohol she couldn't handle, what was she thinking when she got in the car with the unknown dudes? All you need to stop posting stupid remarks, like racism and blaming the Arubians, we are one of the safest islands in the Caribbean. Of course things happen, but they happen everywhere. One girl goes missing and it's a tragedy, please people, think before you post a comment. Blame the alcohol she couldn't handle!

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I notice Carlos and Charlies (http://www.carlosncharliesaruba.com) has shut down their Aruba website -- couldn't take the heat so they took the coward's way out.

It is ironic that everyone automatically assumes the worse-case scenerio. She was a "straight-A" student, which usually means little common sense due to little social activity (not meant to bash her at all, just statement of facts). Who knows maybe she ran off for some fun like the "runaway bride." What ever happened to people believing in someone because if everyone really did they wouldn't be saying "she is in a better place" or that she was murdered, they would ignore the horrible and believe that she is alright cruising the islands or diving in the ocean. Just something to thank about. Don't get me wrong, I hope she is alright as well, but stop thinking the worst and start believing the best.

com bai stupid racist people against arubians?...for your information blacks are not even the half of arubano population, if that is the case...most of the natives are white, the blacks are mainly from other islands, like haiti or places like suriname, oh and aruba is one of the SAFEST islands. People if you don't know the reality of a place, don't even bother to search for it...you know it when you are in real contact with the natives...is not like typing "how dangerous is aruba" and click..or wathing cnn or other crap...read diario if u can or learn papiamentu and go tob aruba to investigate!

The 3 men: 2 Surinam, 1 Dutch. They took her to arashi beach and all 3 had sex with her. During her vacation nobody has seen her often because she was always hanging out with a lot of different people. The Dutch is a son of the famouse world champion of Billiards, the 2 Surinams worked at a rental place. The 3 left the Island because of the Media bothering them 24 hours a day. What I just wrote is true.... She was partying like an animal.

Carlos & Charlies get all the blame now and their website is off the air and the Americans want to close down the place...

The 2 men are going to court any minute now. They did sell drugs to the girl because she asked them for it. If they did not sell it, there are many others places to get the drug. Just as easily as in USA, Holland, France, Iraq. You name it. Only here its cheaper.......

The Island is very small and trust me, words travel fast.

The above is just for information, not for discussion.

I am still helping to search for her and i pray to God she will be reunited with her family soon.....

Hi,
I was at Carlos and Charlies in Aruba a month ago. This was my second time visiting the gorgeous island. I came home this time with a completely different outlook on Aruba. This is my feelings: Older Arubian native love tourism. The younger generation (which I am) HATE us. I have never felt so out of place at a bar in my life. The looks we were getting, the way we were treated, for no reason. I am sorry to hear of Natatlee's disappearance. Truly sorry, but the truth is, I am not surprised. Especially at Carlos & Charlies. Not to mention where the bar is located is creapy. ALSO, yes there has been a few other disappearances of American in Aruba and NO they were not divers. A family in NJ lost their 23 yr old daughter 7 years ago. She has not been found since. Pray for Natalee Holloway and Amy Bradley, may they return home safely.
Jen

Jen- The reason some of the younger locals might look at younger tourists with disdain is because you are competition. I remember Aruba back in the 1980's, and so many local girls were complaining about American girls throwing themselves at the locals, and, their proclivity for wanting to have sex. Which was a bunch of hypocrisy because the Aruban girls were just as wild or hormone driven, believe me ! Yes, there have been some tourists who acted like depraved moral reprobates but that's an abberation. People always like to blow things out of proportion and slime or besmirch a group of people, i.e. tourists, even if only a small number acts out of line. I left Aruba in 1983 and have to say that disrespecting young American girls was completely out of the norm; on the contrary, if we hooked up with a hottie we were rather protective of her in case someone else tried to hit on her. At the same, kids nowandays have changed a little bit with the whole "bithces and Ho's" vernacular and their penchant for idolizing underachievers, misfits, and criminals. I'm going to Aruba next month after a long hiatus....I'll get the real dirt somehow.

I've sat by and read and listened to all these opinions. I've been going to Aruba for about 20 years now. Every year for 1 month. My family and friends for more than 30 years. Yes, Aruba is a wonder place and I won't stop going. Arubians are wonderful caring people, though many may say it's because they need to keep up appearances for tourism. In some instances this may be true.

Yes there is an influx of people from other countries and not to stereotype but there is a problem with alot of outsiders. There is a bad element in Aruba just like any where else if not more in our own country of the US. Many Arubians are aware of this and frown upon it because they want to keep their home and I repeat THEIR HOME safe not only for tourists but for their own families which by the way they take great pride in stressing family values. But those who are unaware or choose not to believe things are going on in Aruba let's be realistic. I've frequented Carlo's and Charlie's many times and yes although it is a fun place for some, many are naive or oblivious to what goes on there. Drugs flow pretty easily there as well as right in plane sight just outside the club. Police are aware of the problem and I only hope they are doing everything they can to police it. Many times i felt uncomfortable being there. It can be intimidating to those who r naive.

Having been to this Island for many years and I am still thinking of possibly purchasing property there. Because it is in it's own right a pretty safe place to be. But one still needs to be aware of what goes on.
For those of u who don't know there are newspapers which are written especially for the tourists and then there are newspapers for the locals which report most of the happenings on the island. This is fact and it can't be disputed.
It's no different than visitors coming to visit the states, they don't want to hear anything negative because then they would'nt feel safe.
This is in no way meant to change the focus of where's Natalie. I have my own opinions as to what possibly happened. I agree that some others need to take some responsibility, chaperone's were nowhere to be found when this happened and why in God's name didn't any of her close friends and there were many who saw her leaving did nothing to stop her or question where she was going. I agree that like many teenagers she was partying and having a good time. Most of us did the same thing. She was on vacation. But i also think someone may have slipped something into her drink. Again this is known to happen and has happened in Aruba as well as in other places. I believe there was foul play. I am sure everyone has heard of Date rape drugs. The truth will come out eventually.

The fact is someone that is loved is missing and all the negative opinions don't help. It could be someone you care about. I myself will probably do my part when I get to the island if she hasbn't been found by then. I have many friends Arubians,dutch, Colombian etc. that live on the island and they confirm the locals are very concerned for Natalee. Sure they care about tourism but they care about people first. I hope many of u will appreciate all they are doing. Let's not let the media twist & blow some things out of proportion. Right now this is big news they have nothing else to talk about. Man, I hope the jury in the Michael Jackson case comes back quickly so the media will not find more negativity to report about Aruba. Just kidding.
Natalee we will find u one way or another.

OK, I'm not trying to say that she deserved what she got, obviously, since nobody deserves that. So don't have everyone FREAK OUT and give her this huge pity trip now. All I'm saying is that I'm a 25 year old female, and I would NEVER get into a car with strange guys, for any reason. And the same holds true when I was 18, or even 14 for that matter! It's something you learn in PRE-SCHOOL, for Gods' sake! Just because she grew up in the suburbs or in the sticks (so did I!) doesn't make it OK to forget everything your parents taught you growing up! "Don't talk to strangers, don't take things from strangers, don't get into a stranger's car." I don't care if you're 10 or 100, you should still know better. No excuses. This is really a lesson about doing the right thing. (Obviously, if she was drugged or something, then this doesn't apply.)

Let's all get a grip here. I am a young lawyer in connecticut and the first thing I learned in school is not to speculate ABOUT ANYTHING until you know all the facts surrounding the matter. There is obvious information that is not being disclosed to the public that has led to the arrest of these two individuals. I would assume, just like in the United States, that sufficient facts must exist to hold two people in custody. Why don't we all just stop beating each other up and pointing fingers on a matter that we know nothing about. We should have compassion for Natalee and pray for her safe return, for her parents who must be going to hell right now, and for the two individuals who have been arrested, as well as their families, as we don't know for sure of their involvement. These websites were originally created to share compassionate thoughts on unfortunate events, but you have turned it into an anger fest. All I can say is stop wasting your time verbally abusing each other, learn to have compassion for your fellow human being, depiste race or place of abode, and go on with your life in a more productive manner. Praying and feeling bad about this tragic situation is normal, but doing what you are are doing here is the most immature and abusive thing I have witnessed. Focus your energy on Natalee and her safe return and learn to be better people.

Didn't you just do the same thing as everyone else? Do you think there is a shot that they will pin it on these two just to close the case and so everyone feels safe now that the criminals have been caught?

Is's a sad day for the home team.

Niggers -- 1, Civilization -- 0

I was shocked when I heard this news from my family about Nathalee's disappearance . I grew up in Aruba and am currently living and doing an internship in New York City.

I hope all of this turns out ok. And that they will find Nathalee back.

I've been reading what has been posted on this website and I can understand that everybody is worried and have mixed feelings.

However I have to say that Aruba is a wonderful place to live. Very safe, for such a MULTICULTURAL community it is amazing how well everybody gets along with each other.

Aruban People are not only black, not only white, not only of Indian descent , but are a mix of everything as a result of its history.

Please keep on supporting the family and pray for her save return.
However don’t blame anyone or post hurtful remarks on this website. You can’t say anything until you find out the truth, right?

D

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