Disappointing Development

I just saw this at ScaredMonkeys.

Kalpoe Family Denied Texas Equusearch From Searching Around Their House

A great deal of information comes to RWV, most of which, to be honest, I cannot simply pass along and inundate certain individuals I speak with in Aruba.

One reasonably solid bit of information I did discuss with some others was a report that the Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car very thoroughly in what was said to be an unusual location near their home. This alleged activity was also reported to have been witnessed by an additional party, as well.

An initial on site check by another individual seemed to confirm that from the looks of some very specific observations made at the location, this bit of information could be accurate and potentially worthwhile.

After other discussions with yet a different individual closer to, but not directly involved with the search itself, it was reported back to me that everyone in the chain agreed that this particular search would be attempted with the dogs.

It seems that didn't happen. What is it, I wonder, that some might have to hide? Or are private property issues simply that sacrosanct to the Kalpoes?

Would you deny such a seemingly harmless endeavor to a group of people searching for a lost girl if you had nothing to hide?

Comments

[bamawings]

It is more probably than not that the boys made up the HI story because they had something to hide. An innocent person is going to tell the truth. Wonder why they made up the story about the security guards? Why not just say that they dropped her off at the HI and saw her heading for the door. If she were just missing, then why would they have to suggest that the guards did something with her. Seens to me that the fact that suggested involvement of the guards also indicates that they expected that someone needed to be blamed if her body should show up. If she truly was left somewhere, why was the beach not a better story to begin with. No one to see her not show up when they supposedly dropped her off. The one thing that you cannot avoid is the lie. Why would you do that?

[Cmoney]

I agree, kristin. According to what I'd read on her blog, earlier, she was thinking that it was time to pack up and go home. Maybe now that she has another angle to follow, (or Equusearch to follow around if they allow) she'll stick around for a while longer.

[bamamom]

Thank you so much for the updates...I have tried to backtrack each night on this sight, but it becomes exhausting. I want you to know, that I work in radio...and we have been pushing with every newscast...a letter writing campaign. Call your local radio stations...and have them do the same!

[NW]

Barnamom, why not start a campaign for 28 US citizens, including women and children, missing in Colombia in the last 5 years. Why just Natalee?

[Island Hopper]

This is from Hasibokos.com
...M. Digital (@ Aruba.com) is reporting that Paul van der Sloot was never a judge in the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

So why did AVDS say "Why are they pinning this on Joran, because he is the son of a judge?"

Doesn't she know her husband is not a judge and NEVER was?

[observer]

Will someone who has any reasonable understanding of law and jurisprudence explain something to me.

Question - Why would police authorities handcuff 2 suspects together and let them sit in the same car and take a ride together in the middle of an investigation? Is it so that they both can discuss how they can get their stories to match now (after each of them has changed their stories and now have conflicting stories)? Is it so that they can give each other emotional support? I thought police detectives were taught during the first day of school that in cases w/ multiple suspects, you keep them apart so that they can break their stories and the truth can come out — rather than keeping suspects together so that they can plan together.

Second question — Why let a father who has some legal training (though not a lawyer) meet w/ his son suspect after he has already advised that suspect that if there’s no body found, there’s no chance of conviction?

I have been trying to give the Aruban police the benefit of the doubt, but after watching these 2 incidents, I have given up (and think most Americans will) on the chance of their being fair police investigation.

Would someone please try to explain or justify the Aruban police’s actions here?

[war eagle]

I think the judicial career is the least of their worries, given the operating characteristics of the lions (drug lords). I think they sweat....in the cells...they sweat in the bed....they open their mouths and become fish food once all the media, searchers, marines, etc., go home.

If they spill the beans, e.g., tell the truth (which implicates the lions and the corrupt govt officials above PVDS), they all fall from 'power.'

They did not kill her, I don't buy it---no 17-18 year olds could withstand nearly 30 days in the slammer and not crack otherwise. There is more to this story and the Dutch can't tell because they are in it up to their noses.

Meanwhile, you have the abductee Amy Bradley, spotted by Navy officer in Curacao brothel; bondage house--'please help me--I need your help"
But, Navy man will not report (he is in wrong place, you see--commanding officer will not understand this activity, although legal in Aruba, Curacao, Venequela, Colombia...

Lone War Eagle

[kristin]

He was a fill-in judge.

[kristin]

It is my understanding that he had actually heard cases, but was not a full judge yet. Also that prior to this happening, he had recently been told that he was not going to be allowed to progress to the next level.

[kristin]

Lone War Eagle - I agree that he would have cracked under US interrogation, but what about whatever type of interrogation they are doing down there?????? Maybe a different ballgame.

[bamamom]

You know, I teach all four of my kids to look at the missing posters in walmart. LOOK at their faces. We always stop and look, just in case. NW....Natalee is just down the road from us. "A NEIGHBOR" as it were. Natalee represents every young girl growing into a woman. Someone said ealier...this case will really allow dialogue to open up between parents and kids. Kids think they are invincible at that age. I have a daughter 19...there are a multitude of reasons WHY NATALEEE. As my heart and prayers go out to each and every family, who has suffered a loss, whose loved one is missing...you have to start somewhere. It takes a Village:)

[NW]

I completely agree that 2 teens and a 21 year old could not cover up a murder without anyone cracking this case. And, I don't really think Dad is involved, although he, too, may know more about Aruba's politics, drug lords, and mafia families than he's revealing. This case has got to be more than it appears.

[kristin]

In answer to why not write letters about the 30 people missing in Columbia. . .well right now, this situation is CRITICAL - she may be able to be found. That's why it is important now, and it is on everyone's mind. HOpefully the attention to this case will bring more attention to the other cases. I don't really understand your comment. I travel in Central America for work quite often, and know of cases down there of missing people, but this one is at a very critical stage.

[war eagle]

It doesn't matter what the title is!! Don't you all see it!

They are all owned, i.e., 'on the take' from the drug/traffickers/female slave runners--they are all in it up to their eyeballs...

...for all it matters, PVDS could be the chief of police and JVDS could be a judge; same result--they will not open their mouths because the other son (the so-called Lorenzo--known drug dealer w/ big party house on Aruba) will come down on them.

Also, if they told the details or truth, they would have to tell they dropped her/took her to the drug party house (oh really? How does chief of police and judge know about that place, huh?
tell us more)

No way--Natalee is probably being held in Caracas, Venezuela somewhere. The search and all this body search is a joke. Dutch will prosecute and hang blame on kids regardless of the body; the higher ups escape--everybody goes home, except the most important person of all, NH.

Lone War Eagle

[NW]

How critical is it when she's been missing a month, and the case hasn't gotten off first base?

[kristin]

That is exactly why it is critical now. . .because until now, the family was trusting the system that is in place. Looks like a LOT of people who know a lot more than I do are no longer confident in the system. They need our help to be a strong voice pleading for help. If it were my child, I would beg for help too. It is critical because without help now, this likely will never be resolved. This is the only window.

[FRETA]

Cajungirl`Take that fake letter and shove it. We are tired of seeing you post that over and over again. What is your damn problem.?

RSTJ.....Watch your damn language and leave Dan the hell alone. If you do not like his updates and what he writes then do not read it. He has done a fantastic job. !!! BACK OFF!!!!

[CancunGirl]

Observer:
That same question was posted by Nancy Grace on her show today. How could you handcuff and put the two main suspects (Joran and Deepak) together in a car or even have them in a room? A defense attorney in the US explained that perhaps they wanted to eaves drop into their conversations to see if they would leak something. Perhaps they are letting PVDS talk to his son because they are also eaves dropping on them, but who knows at this point? No one knows what to believe about the Aruban investigation anymore.

[bamamom]

NW, how critical would it be if it were your daughter?
Wouldn't you be blessed by thousands, millions of people worldwide to genuinely care about her wellbeing?

[Island Hopper]

Cancun do not be so naive. Do you really still believe they had gps and phone taps on the boys during the first 10 days?

[kristin]

Lone Eagle Guy - possibly you are right. . .still this is our opportunity, and our responsibility to focus on this filth. This problem is not bigger than we are. God's ways are not man's ways. Perhaps this whole situation is a way for the world to see what is going on so that light can be brought to it.

[usaflag1]

dear islandhipper8 and justme, the US government estimates that at least 50,000 women and children are trafficked annually into the US. Is it not possible that a few are not trafficked in the Netherland Antilles?

[NW]

I would probably do the same as BHT. This case has grabbed national attention, but what about other international missing persons? Don't they deserve as much? If Natalee were a minority, would this be the same response?

[DennisAOK]

The Aruban government spokesman tonight on Greta's program stated that the Arubans will not yield control of the investigation, but FBI observers are welcome. Senator Shelby wrote a letter to Rice and the Aruban Prime Minister, who said they are doing all they can. I wrote the Dutch Embassy yesterday asking that the Dutch marines be allowed to assist Texas EquuSearch, and the the latest in lie detector technology be used. I think I would add to that - and I wish Greta had tonight - the right to interrogate the suspects by our FBI. That's probably the most we are going to get.

bamawings,

I agree that their trying to pin it on the security guards is the most telling aspect thus far.

[kristin]

I think they have only let PVDS out of jail to see if he will do something to give them more information. I think they figured everything was stalled and if he were out and under surveillance, he might slip up. Obviously he wasn't going to slip up where he was, so he is worth more to them out than in. Unfortunately, he probably knows this better than anybody is probably won't slip up, tho.

[CancunGirl]

Freta:
Someone earlier asked to see it. Don't be rude.

[publius]

its time to extract the van der sluts et al from aruba and take them to a safe place. They will talk only when they know they are safe. So, why wait 4 more months?Its got to be torture on them to live with lies for that much longer. lets set them free today by yanking them to an undisclosed location and showing them proper courtesy for such a fine family. Then perhaps they will properly understand their role in ms. holloway's dissappearance.
I am sure the DEA has enough info on drug activity and judicial corruption in aruba and the northern area of south america to work back channels. But in the meantime, lets arrange passage for the entire van der slut family to a more secure location. of course for their safety.
God knows what will happen to them, just look what they claim not to know about ms. holloway.
the drug lords will cut their tongues out one way or another, if they are lucky. In any event the van der sluts lives are over for all practical purposes. How would you like to introduce yourself in 10 years as the father or mother of joran? Nobody will be seen with them and they will vanish into the hash haze called holland.
I agree with the sentiment i have gleaned from this site overall. this isnt simply a delinquent kid named van der slut killing a tourist.
the cover up has raised questions that demand international answers. The US govt should remove all van der sluts from aruba at once. How i dont care, perhaps the sharks are still hungry on the redneck riviera.

[kristin]

Why are you asking if Natalee were a minority would she receive so much attention? Save it for after this is resolved - then be a crusader. For now, best to focus on the problem, don't you think?

[kristin]

Is NW a troll?????????

[gallowaygirl]

Does anyone know why the Kalpoe's parents have not been permitted to visit their sons yet Joran has had several parent visits? More evidence of preferential treatment by that moron Van der Straaten I guess.

And I'm worried about Caren Janssen releasing information regarding the case (PVDS counseling the boys re: no body/no case). What if she released this tidbit to the public on purpose to queer the case against Joran? I wonder if she did manage to get enough evidence together to prosecute, this 'error' on her part will cause a judge to throw the case out. My hubby swears all of this ineptitude by law enforcement and justice is deliberate.

[bamamom]

And if I were a minority would it be odd for me to care so much for one that was not my "own"?
Give me a break.

[kristin]

Only reason i can think of that JVDS gets parental visits and the Kalpoes don't is that the polis are hoping PVDS and JVDS will slip up and they will get information through the visits.

[Island Hopper]

Hey NW go start a blog for them if you want to. This one is for Natalee.

Why did mom say NO to Equusearch this AM then when Greta come over, AFTER dark with a camera she has hubby answer door and say oh misunderstanding, tomorrow should be ok. I hope Beth and friends are watching that house ALL night.

Equusearch did not want to search the house, JUST the yard!

[Arubans are liars]

Isn't there a nuclear test scheduled for Aruba soon?

[kristin]

The Aruban justice system makes you glad to be an American, doesn't it?

[gallowaygirl]

possible Kristen, but according to several people, the visits between JVDS and PVDS are private, no surveillance permitted.

[kristin]

The next time you have your passport in your hand, take a minute to read the government notice inside - it will make you proud to be an American.

[Island Hopper]

The Kalpoes mother has seen her sons. The stepfather said it has been about 2 weeks. He also said they tell a different story every time.

[kristin]

I read that too, gallowaygirl, but who knows if they REALLY honor that?????? Makes no sense that the Kalpoes can't have visitors, does it. Unless their parents aren't as savvy as PVDS, so they don't know who or how to demand their rights.

[kristin]

gallowaygirl, are u from Mississippi?

[bhamsteph]

NW--

why raise a race issue when it is a NON ISSUE in this case? the people who visit this website want to read RELEVANT information and bounce ideas about what happened and how we feel about it...NOT start a debate about race. Give me a break.

[kristin]

bhamsteph, I think NW is a troll and shouldn't be fed.

[Island Hopper]

Where did you read that kalpoes cant get visits? Read Greta's interview's with her and stepdad.

[gallowaygirl]

hmmm...didn't get that IH.

Thought when Greta asked the stepdad said they had not been permitted to see them in the last 3 weeks and that they had made several requests to see the boys and were denied. Could have misunderstood though.

I like the way Greta got them on the record okaying a search for Equusearch though...good girl.

[gallowaygirl]

kristen -

Native Texan here. You?

[gallowaygirl]

IH -

Do I go to foxnews.com to get to Greta's blog?

[kristin]

Perhaps I misunderstood stepdad's broken ingles tonight, pero I thought he said they couldn't visit. I will check Greta's blog, gracias, IH.

[Island Hopper]

New post for those interested in the SM stuff

[kristin]

Just key in Greta Van Sustern and it is the first search that comes up.

[Island Hopper]

maybe I did????