Disappointing Development

I just saw this at ScaredMonkeys.

Kalpoe Family Denied Texas Equusearch From Searching Around Their House

A great deal of information comes to RWV, most of which, to be honest, I cannot simply pass along and inundate certain individuals I speak with in Aruba.

One reasonably solid bit of information I did discuss with some others was a report that the Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car very thoroughly in what was said to be an unusual location near their home. This alleged activity was also reported to have been witnessed by an additional party, as well.

An initial on site check by another individual seemed to confirm that from the looks of some very specific observations made at the location, this bit of information could be accurate and potentially worthwhile.

After other discussions with yet a different individual closer to, but not directly involved with the search itself, it was reported back to me that everyone in the chain agreed that this particular search would be attempted with the dogs.

It seems that didn't happen. What is it, I wonder, that some might have to hide? Or are private property issues simply that sacrosanct to the Kalpoes?

Would you deny such a seemingly harmless endeavor to a group of people searching for a lost girl if you had nothing to hide?

Comments

[katy]

maybe the mother refuses the police because of the bad way they treat her sons. Not saying thats a good reason, but i think she just feels powerless and doesnt think of what refusing help will make people think, because of this situation.

[Island Hopper]

Get a search warrant what the heck has taken so long?

[RstJ]

Why would you let a group of foreigners with no official standing go sniffing around your house with dogs? Come on, Dan. What happens when the dogs "hit" on something like they supposedly did at that quarry.

Snap the fuck out of it. You've really been going downhill since the "Letter to Aruba."

RstJ

[Spike]

What's pathetic is that the "polis" haven't scoured the crap out of all things VDS and Kalpoe. Their stories are filled with lies. That should be more than enough probable cause to have combed through the properties and homes.

Ultimately, no corpse equals very weak case.

And unfortunately... NH is going the way of yesterday's news. It's a month old with no resolution, and no really good news with respect to concrete leads or evidence. I find it astonishing that three relative kids could hide a body that well and keep the secret.

[Mel]

No offense Dan, but I wouldn't let them search my property or house without a warrant either. It's just good business sense and the reality is that even if you "know" your kids weren't involved, could you be 100% or more certain? Would you risk the off-chance?

Who's to say Joran and/or his father didn't plant evidence at the Kalpoe's that they don't know about? I wouldn't risk it either.

While I believe the boys likely have information, there is still no physical proof and this is being turned into a witch hunt where police will need to tread carefully to ever find the truth.

[gabe]

RstJ has a major point. This is a foreign country. I would take serious issue with anyone
wishing to question my son at 3 AM or a group of
people wanting to search my property at any time. Most especially if these people were foreigners.

[katy]

by the way, i must say that i am a bit dissapointed in Dan.... you are a journalist? Arent you supposed to be objective? I have followed your website and your entries, to me, are filled with suggestive, on objective comments.

like:
Would you deny such a seemingly harmless endeavor to a group of people searching for a lost girl if you had nothing to hide?

and offcourse your entry of your letter to Aruba.
But it is all interresting to me, i study media, and i take it all in on my essay on the American way of (suggestive) media reporting.
For example the way that the media pics one story, wich appeals to the audience, like in this case a beautifull young girl who people will surely relate to and will emotionaly bond with. She is lost on an island, big mistery, and offcourse the badguy, Joran.This means more ratings.

[Dublin]

I have to agree with Spike. Why the heck haven't the Arubian police issued a search warrant on that house and searched the grounds like they did with the Van der sloot home? The fact that they've got those two boys held on murder charges alone would prompt me to do a search of their cars, homes, rooms and yards. Have their personal computers been seized yet, and if not then why not. Is this a case where local polis want to incriminate the rich foreign dutch boy? Why would they protect two surinamese (SP?) boys, and if they're not protecting them, then why hasn't an appropriate search been done.

The equusearch has good intentions, but honestly since they don't carry the authority of the local police, then they don't have the right to search the property without permission and the mother is within her rights to refuse them.

Does it lead one to believe she has something to hide though? Absolutely!!!

[websleuth2]

I can't remember if I saw the alleged Kalpoe e-mail here or on scared monkeys, and I wish I could find it, but what is significant about the email, which is supposedly from one of the Kalpoes to a friend, is this --

there is a reference to Natalee wanting to see the sharks and there is a reference to Natalee falling down.

these references are sinister -- they would be an "innocent" explanation for bruises -- and perhaps the boys did take her near the sharks.

If you have the emails, could you post a link to them? thanks

[Dolphin]

This is weird. They should get a warrant ASAP... The two brothers are suspects !!! What are the authorities doing??? This make no sens!!!

[Island Hopper]

HELLO the Aruban Polis were there too when Joran was first questioned at 3:00AM. It was not just a bunch of rednecks as some would like to think. They were very polite despite what you want to think. Your rumors are not helping to find natalee.

[lvthesouth]

Please email Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in US for help to Aruba in Holloway investigation

http://dosref.lib.uic.edu/ask_form_cat/ask_form_secretary.html

Posted by: lvthesouth | June 30, 2005 10:18 PM

Posted by: lvthesouth | June 30, 2005 10:18 PM

[islandhopper8]

Just saw OTR and Depak step father said that Texas Equusearch is welcome to search! However the way the person approached is cause for the mis information. Courtesy brings you a long way. It is how you approach people

[Spike]

I went to the ScaredMonkeys site to read a bit of it. It suggests that the EquusSearch folks are not staying there much longer. That seems to fly in the face of their pledge to stay until they find her, unless by that time they'll have covered all possible places where divers, dogs and horses can tread and come up with nothing.

To Michele Malkin's post about "missing pretty white girls", or some such thing, I think what has been so compelling about this case is that you can see your own kid in it, or yourself.

My brother's got a friend who was "date rape" drugged to roll him for his wallet, and try to snatch his date. This stuff happens. If it does nothing more than raise awareness on how to prevent future attacks, it'll be worth it.

[Ctella]

If I was accused of a horrible crime I KNEW I didn't commit, I would welcome the police into my home. I would tell them to search as much as they want, bring in dogs, etc....if I knew I wasn't guilty.

[usaflag1]

http://www.ecpat.net/eng/ECPAT_news/Nederland.htm
check this out.

[DT]

Well the Kalpoe brothers' stepfather was just on On THe Record tonight and he specifically said that their was no truth to the accusations they would not let equusearch search their property. He said he would allow them to.

[islandhipper8]

usaflag1 the Nederlands is completely different from Aruba. Yes there are ties, but they are independent. So that information is completely irrelevant to this issue and only causes to give a wrong picture of Aruba

[Spike]

Guy on "on the record" with Greta is saying the Polis are considering this a "search and rescue".

It implies that she's still considered a kidnap, which stands to reason since they have no corpse to reclassify it.

[Terry]

I AGREE THAT THE KALPOES MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. IF I WERE INNOCENT, WHY WOULD I NOT ALLOW THE TEXAS GROUP TO SEARCH THE GROUNDS AROUND THE HOUSE? I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE ARUBAN POLICE HAD NOT SEARCHED THE KALPOE HOUSE AND SURROUNDINGS THOROUGHLY; NOW THAT I KNOW, BETH SHOULD BE PUSHING FOR THE POLICE TO GET A WARRANT FOR THE SEARCH TEAM IMMEDIATELY. I BELIEVE THAT THEY MUST HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, DAN!

[CancunGirl]

Websleuth2:
THis is the Kalpoe letter:
"How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow.
The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So (name deleted) that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them

So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........

bye bye

Deepak."

[csc]

The Kalpoes say they didn't deny Equusearch a search of their property.

[Ladonna]

I seen the Kalpoe's stepfather tonight on Greta and he said that the people weren't from Equusearch, that they were reporters. He said tonight that Equusearch can come and conduct a search.

[harry]

If the government wants to search the Kalpoe's property with cadaver dogs, they just need a court order to do so. This is routine investigative work.

[CommonSense]

Spike -

No, he said they "say" it's a search and rescue but he knows they are really involved in a "recovery effort" at this point.

[Ari]

Come on People:

This is getting paranoid. If this was a search team from say Portugal, would anybody, say in Denver, let them search their property without a court order?

[Jacque]

Sounds like a mis-understanding at the Kalpoe brother's home. Hope EquaSearch is back there tomorrow AM.

I am a nurse and do feel when working with patients where english is not their first language and I do not speak theirs. I know they are not getting the entire message I give.

This can be easily fixed.

[Firebird]

I have been reading this site for several days now (yes, I'm a lurker) and I am impressed with some of the information I have learned. I also appreciate that Dan is trying to give us the "news behind the news" with trying to verify the things he puts up. I for one want to thank him for this. I realize that girls go missing all the time--and we wish that media attention could be brought to highlight them all--but the truth is, some grab us more that others. Maybe it is because of the way we relate to the victim in some way, who knows? I think this case has caught the attention of everyone because she is a beautiful young girl and Joran is a handsome young man. I for one would love to see Natalee found and Joran able to go home, and also his two friends. But....I am beginning to worry that is not possible. Do I think Joran is guilty, I don't know... it really is possible that he, being a typical teenager figured she can see her hotel, all she has to do is follow the beach a little bit and be back to her hotel... and someone else decided to abduct her while she was walking back to her room. It really isn't such a far-fetched idea. Not maybe true, but then we are just speculating (or at least I am)...

Speaking of speculating, I don't know it it has been discussed or not yet, but has anyone thought of the fact that if she can't be found anywhere, and she really is dead, that someone put the body in a deep-freezer (chest-type) as she is a fairly small girl. Or, how about a walk-in freezer, at someone's home, or fancy boat -- to be disposed of after the "heat" is off?? I suppose it sound's like a "soap opera" but you know it would fit. I hadn't heard anyone mention this idea before so decided to throw it out there to think about. Please be gentle about beating me up.

[CommonSense]

EquuSearch and Horses...

I have not seen anyone on horseback. I know Equusearch normally does use horses but have not seen any in the footage of the search on the island.

Wonder if they brought any?

[P in S.E.Asia]

Dan,

as stated by an earlier poster i think u have begun to go downhill since for some time now... seems that downward spiral is happening at an increasing pace.

ur commentary has begun to lose the objectivity it once had - granted all this could be aar of ur frustration with the snail pace of development wrt this case.

lately ure so quick to CONDEMN and suggest guilt by actions or rumours which have proven unfounded. GO BACK TO HOW U USED TO BE, PLEASE.

Still, the right is that of the family to deny or allow the search - we can speculate all we want but that can NEVER prove indicative to inocence or guilt.

[bamamom]

I had to go to a dinner tonight. Fox was saying they had all kinds of details to report...anything new in the case?

[P in S.E.Asia]

firebird nice theory but that opens the case to a bigger conspiracy which woudl involve many more persons than the few (we know) that the authorities are investigating.

[bhamsteph]

Greta had an interview with the Kalpoe's stepdad about this and he said they didn't say they were Equusearch and they didn't ask to search the yard or house. He said they wanted an interview and they didn't want to give him one. Greta noted that he has always talked to her and has let her in and around his yard and home. I'd be more willing to believe the newspaper story if they didn't let Greta in their home and talk about it. He says they'd let Equusearch in and search anytime. I say send Equusearch out there and make him walk the talk.

[blu]

Kids! Let's be logical here. The whole deal with Ecqisearch(sp) searching the Kalpoes yard with no search warrant is this: AT this point, I think the object is to find Natalee. Beth wants to take her girl home. If it were me, I wouldn't care about anything but finding my kid. The search warrant would affect the court case, but would be meaningless to Beth. And, besides, do any of you really think the polis down there would actually adhere to or use a chain of possesion? Snort!

[JustMe]

USAFlag1, it is a pity that the child molestors are not going to have to do time. My heart goes out to the children they victimized.

However, I remember several years ago when the son of a Brazilian diplomat shot a guy outside a bar in Washington, DC. Due to the position of his fatrher the young man (I think he was about 19 or 20) had diplomatic immunity and could not be prosecuted unless the Brazilian government agreed to waive it.

So what do you think the Brazlians did? They promptly pu him on an airplane, flew him home and refused to extradite him back to the United States.

The Brazilian Justice Ministry, along with everyone else in their government, can kiss my fat bottom. What goes around comes around.

The Brazilian

[CommonSense]

bamamom -

Pretty lame 'same old' with Arubans' saying they are making good progress, and the Twitty's wanting to "bring in lead pipes to work the boys over with" ((JUST KIDDING)) The Twitty's are frustrated beyond belief.

The low point tonight was Greta's incredibly lame 'timeline re-enactment'

........zzzzzzzzzzz..........

[Cmoney]

I hope that the information in the latest update is amended to reflect what the Kalpoe's step-father said -- himself -- about why Equusearch was turned away. I suppose time will tell if the Kalpoe Bros Car Wash info is legit.

[JustMe]

I should have added that the shooting victim lived.

[K.Jeanne]

bamamom:

A couple of things: The spokeswoman said some samples have been sent to a lab. Which means they have found "something" that was worthy of looking checking. Perhaps something in search of the cars, etc. As Greta said, perhaps hair, etc. The results of all their investigative work is coming together for the hearing monday, or is it tuesday? That the prosecutor has the upper hand in that the attorneys have to prove the previous wrong, plus the new results. The kalpoe's step-father said on Fox tonight that he didn't refuse Equusearch right to search. I thought Beth and Jug were very frustrated and depressed with things. The Aruban govt. has said as many FBI agents as want may come into Aruba, but they cannot take over the search. It simply isn't possible. Also LE said at first this was a "search and rescue," now it is a "recovery effort." He didn't elaborate.

[bhamsteph]

I just re-read my comment and I should have previewed it before I posted...the way I worded it makes it sound like the Kalpoe's were seeking the interview, but it is the other way around. Reporters wanted the Kalpoes to do an interview and the Kalpoes didn't want to. Hope that makes sense.

[Cindi in pa]

Dan,

You are doing an awesome job here. Ignore the AFLCIU FOLLOWING, they have no clue, it's all about protecting the rights of those accused. If these clowns have noting to hide, they would let he search take place, its that plain and simple.

To all you clowns out there claiming to be protecting your rights...............get a grip, this is a crime investigation, just what is it that you are trying to hide, surly not the truth, afer all, you have nothing to hide. So let the search go on.

I

[elaine]

cancun girl

is there a specific reason you keep posting this? do you think it is going to convince people it is REAL?

[war eagle]

I think the searching is to no avail; as I said last night, she is not dead and not on the island.

Jenifer D., are you there in Singapore tonight?

Shango, are you there?

Please tell them over again "Dirtyhand sold out to the Lions and the King, and it is they who run the Arawak Nation--Natalee is somewhere in the Kingdom (not on Aruba). How many times do you have to look at a map? Only once--Aruba is only about 16 mile long and 6-7 mile wide;not much room and not enough time to put a body in the first place, IF she were dead, which she is not!

She was abducted from the 'other' party, possibly the Rave thing w/ the locals. She is in either Curacao or Caracas, or worse yet, Colombia. Check the State Department's (US) warning to Americans contemplating travel there.

Read the article on Blog.net.

Dan you are doing fine w/ the events--Jenifer D., are you on assignment in Singap. tonight? care to tell them about the Russian girls and the Nigerian pimps over there? How is it going?

Thanks--I feel better now!

Lone War Eagle

[DennisAOK]

k.jeanne,

Sending materials to Holland for examination does not mean they found "something", only that there were tests, perhaps routine, that could be run. The big worry is that too much time elapsed before they got to this, allowing incriminating evidence to be compromised.

[islandhopper8]

I used google to check if there were more posting of this email and I found one posted 06/23/2005 1:02 at: http://www.majorwager.com/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=133972&CFID=899807&CFTOKEN=4994126

[NW]

The whole thing sounds like a misunderstanding with the Kalpoes. However, it sounds like not many people here have actually witnessed a search of someone's property. It's total destruction. With a US search warrant LE can empty every drawer in the house, undo all the bedding, turn all the furniture upside down - literally turn a house inside out. The owners must put everything back. Why would anyone voluntarily allow such a search?

[diogenes]

dan, thanks to you, we might actually find one honest man in aruba. in the meantime it wouldnt concern me in the least if the kalpoe and van der slut eurotrash felons choked on their cracked conch at lunch time. I am sick and tired of lying, equivocating banana boat eurotrash socialists keeping the truth on its heels.
weebles wobble but they dont fall down. the truth will out and the moon waxes and wanes. I heard tonite that daddy van der slut is worried his judicial career is in jeopardy. Wow! what a dad! Doesnt that silly SOB realize we can extract him from aruba in 10 seconds while his lying wife sleeps next to him? Perhaps the entire van der slut family should be removed to gitmo for proper interrogation. Spinoza, you still there?

[kristin]

Hopefully, Greta will go back WITH the Equusearch team. Always better to get both parties together and find the truth.

[K.Jeanne]

DennisAOK:

Yes, I know that, too...at least they found something. It's grasping at straws, trying to be hopeful

[kristin]

I thought the Dad's judicial career was over before it started anyway. Isn't it true that the government had already told him he would not be allowed to be a judge? I have been wondering what they had discerned in his personality that made them turn him down.