Are You A Talker Or A Do'er?

An interesting thing about how I have been web logging lately, it feels good to be doing something, as opposed to just talking about it. That's an interesting topic to me and it can be applied to many different fields.

This is funny, check it out for a laugh then flip up to his main page for some more. Intelligent and funny, but still probably not the guy you'd want to bring home to Mom ... but he'd go if she made pie!

This, well she's always just flat out intelligent and a great read, particularly for individuals who want to learn a little more about other countries in and around the caribbean.

Or you could just go get a few minutes of therapy. ; )

New content coming tonight - a new discussion board coming right up below. 

Comments

[Island Hopper]

Dan plese ban talkbalk on the open letter page.

[GHB]

You are such a talker, not a do-er, and i bet you have a poster of not Paris Hilton, not Pamela Andersen not any blonde that any NORMAL guy might pin up on his wall, but of the lovely 18 yr old Natalie Holloway. Is there a pattern there?

What (besides spreading rumor and lie) can you actually claim to have qualified you as a DOER?

If having a poster of Paris Hilton made one guity of murder, thousands of men (and women) would be guilty of MURDER. What a pathetic stretch for anyone but for a self-proclaimed JOURNALIST? Ha!

If having been the last guy to see a girl before she got too drunk and fell down a flight of stairs at a university, or choked on her own booze generated puke made one guilty of murder, a lot of guys and girls would be guilty of murder.

If having fled and not having nursed a promiscuous alcholic back to health made one guilty of murder some of your friends and non murderous acquaintances would be screwed.

If lying about one's whereabouts at the time that a young blonde you screwed an hour ago because you were begged and you decided to humour her/him kowing that s/he was a wreck and you wanted nothing to do with him/her at that point made you GUILTY OF MURDER then thousands of innocent if chicken and lying teenagers would be so guilty.

You are more obsessed with Natalie than J ever was. And just because he lied about the security guards does not make him guilty of murder. She tarted around for a week by ALL accounts and then hopped her ordinary if not beautiful or pretty ass into a car with some local bad boys whom she had known for only one week tops while not surprisingly and to their successful if hung-over wake up calls (ALL) of her travel companions (and thousands of tourists before her) made their flight the next day... NH's absence was not even of passing concern (or rather than carry her bags down they would have freaked out and called the police) for the girls she shared a room with and that speaks volumes. Funny out of all of the kids on that trip, the dozens or more than a hundred, one girl chose not to leave that meat market with people SHE KNEW. Wonder why! Could she have been rip roaring DRUNK and TAKING MEDICATION (just a shot in the dark), up for a quick anonymous fuck and not really that interested in where or with whom? Does that make her guilty of her own demise, no, but does that make J guilty of murder, no. Where was Dan on the night in question. Does he have a poster on his bed, or a photo of NH on his website? Hmmmm.

While nobody deserves to be MURDERED and no amount of teasing or tarting around excuses the despicable actions of anyone that directly participated in her demise, gimme a break.... You are the poster child of the biased and unqualified journalist, and if you had with the best will in the world taken the sexually pestering child into your car for a late-night drive and disagreeed with her about whatever, and dropped her off NEAR her hotel and gone home because she was a sex pest and you were tired, then you found out she was DEAD and in panic lied about the sequence of events in fear of screwing up the rest of your life and the lives of your parents even though you only droppped her off, but belived as a 17 YEAR OLD that pigs could pin stg on you, would you deserve to be convicted of murder by some obsessive middle aged failed journalist in bloody AMERICA? I think not.

But the main thing is whether he should be convicted in a Dutch court, and given the TOTAL LACK OF PROOF, then NO. You can only prove he lied. Hurtful as hell to those left behind but quite different from murder.

[FRETA]

Get off the drugs GHB.
Put them down and slowly back away.

[T_C_Mits]

GHB

Sounds like you had a baaaad day. Poor baby.

[fishy]

He does seem obsessed, I have to agree.

[CancunGirl]

Tsunder:
Do you have anything else to do but be on this forum? I see you on every post :)
You have a point, I think that if the disappearance had happened in this country, they would have already questioned student that was on the trip, an ex-boyfriend, a current boyfriend, they would have asked the parents and step parents to take polygraphs to "eliminate" them as suspects, since in this country, you are most likely killed by a loved one than by a random person that may have just met you a few days ago. So, I think for the sake of this case and to clear every avenue, they should question "everybody". Then, by process of elimination they can focus wholeheartedly on the one's that are most likely to have been involved.

I still pray for Natalee to be found alive and well. Stranger things have happened.

CancunGirl

[rosemarie]

to: resorttownmom

You have quite an imagination, every thought of writing scripts?
It happened where it happened, they did what they did, Daddy's legal expertise was used to shut these kids mouths. Joran did her, accidentally, perhaps? the other two men know exactly what happened, the father and including the mother know exactly what happened. Difference in cultures I guess! To some this would not be wrong, to people with morals, no matter which nationallity they are, it would a matter of concience and justice to the girl's family. And I think Dan is not an arrogant American, just one of many Americans concerned for this dissappearance of an American, and you also should see both sides, without color nor nationality blindess.

[tideroller]

GHB is the epitome of the nasty, hostile reaction we have seen from the Dutch and the Aruban posters in the main. They choose not to see reality because it is negative to their government, police force and colony (No, I won't say former colony when the Dutch run the legal system down there.) So GHB chooses to make up the most vile, preposterous, slanderous lies about an innocent girl. No one has said she was "tarting" around. She did not sleep in her room because she (and most of the other kids on the trip) were not paired off with their best friends, so they would spend the night with their best friends instead. Typical. That's hardly "tarting" around. In The South, we tend to be more polite and friendly. So she introduced herself to someone sitting at the same table as she, so what? That is certainly not being forward here in The South and it would almost be rude to not do so. GHB has pulled wild hairs out of the wind. There is absolutely no evidence or supporting testimony to anything he has said whatsoever. For one thing, she didn't even have a boyfriend. And one does not have to come to Aruba for an abortion. Remember it is legal here in the States. An American tourist would not know how to hide a body in Aruba. On the other hand there are plenty of events indicating strong likelihood of guilt by JVDS. Last seen with her and lying about everything and trying to pin it on innocent men. Those are the actions of a guilty person. And the actions of the Aruba police force are not out of ignorance, but are obviously the work of a flagrant cover-up. All we are asking for is the girl back. That should not be hard to do.

[ralf]

I have tried to control my opinions of the Aruban police thus far, by giving them the benefit of the doubt - however it seems to me there is no amount of benefit that can match the amount of doubt I now have.

The DJ admits to lying to the police, the father admits to telling his son "no body, no crime"

These kids are seemingly able to outwit the police.

My question is this, does anyone involved in this have any respect for the police?

Don't people get in trouble for lying to the police?

Maybe someone should tell the authorities there that what they call the 'cowboy' mentality actually gets results. In fact, alot of those western movies that I saw as a kid had justice too.

Then again, I will watch as the keystone cops in Aruba deal with this.

[Dublin]

Think about it Tsunder:

If a girl got drunk, fell down the stairs and died, then her body would be found at the bottom of the stairs, unless someone moved it.

If she threw up and inhaled her own vomit and died of asphyxiation, her body would lay where she died, in her vomit, and the autopsy would proof the cause of death.

So, if any of this were relevant; then we'd have a body and probably a cause of death a month after she'd died of accidental causes.

But, we don't, do we?

[Not a Hand Wringer.]

Doer or Talker...?

Hmmmm....

Which category do you file internet rumour monger under?

[seedyrum]

Given that NH is an A student with both a supporting family:

If she was pregant, the family would accept the child or get her an abortion....

If NH had some himiliation or whatever, seeing her NH's mother & stpefather, stepmother &father, she could handle the pressure that comes with humiliation

I cant see her being depressed and commiting suicide....Yhe family is rich they would have gotten her help and by now it would be really known

I cant see her running away...she was accepted to a great college, she had goals, she had a lving and supportive relationship with family and friends.

She took nothing of her personal belongs...she would at least have taken her passport since it was always needed.

If she ran away didnt take her passport then she in the underground with criminals elements.

If she was a "wild" one she would want her exploits known, ie web page , wild pictures, list of boyfriends, showing pictures of wild trips.

Contrast that with the other "key" person

Also consider this, since I believe there is a coverup on the Aruba, I dont beleive Juran is an A student. His grades are fixed.

What person can go to gambling, drinking, sex havens in the middle of the night every day and maintain an A average without help???

This is just pure conjecture, look at his web page and the number of pictures with him holding a glass with a beverage of some sort?

His friends said he is a party animal

His friend say he is a "lady's man"

His friends say he brags when he "scores"

Follow the dots....not the Aruba Police ( they havent left the starting gate)

[AP]

Well Dan, there goes your carrier of being a real journalist...

AP

[Bobup]

Tsunder is Aruban disinformation officer

[MB]

Bobup, that made me LOL. I miss Baghdad Bob.

[elaine]

dan

i really liked the last two blogs you put up there. flat out bad hair day, good one Dan!!

God Bless you on all the good work!

Elaine

[seedyrum]

Grehta said Juran's father was allowed to visit him but the Depok's family hasnt been allowed the same courtesy.

Why WHY WHY

COVERUP IS IN PLACE

Depak's brothers are going down for Juran.....

either all 3 walks

1 walks 2 are held

or 3 are held

[seedyrum]

Who in their right mind cant see cover up and collusion.

even a blind man can see it??

The stepfather, Luis Ramirez, is saying they searched his home.

[publius]

its time to extract the van der sluts et al from aruba and take them to a safe place. They will talk only when they know they are safe. So, why wait 4 more months?Its got to be torture on them to live with lies for that much longer. lets set them free today by yanking them to an undisclosed location and showing them proper courtesy for such a fine family. Then perhaps they will properly understand their role in ms. holloway's dissappearance.
I am sure the DEA has enough info on drug activity and judicial corruption in aruba and the northern area of south america to work back channels. But in the meantime, lets arrange passage for the entire van der slut family to a more secure location. of course for their safety.
God knows what will happen to them, just look what they claim not to know about ms. holloway.
the drug lords will cut their tongues out one way or another, if they are lucky. In any event the van der sluts lives are over for all practical purposes. How would you like to introduce yourself in 10 years as the father or mother of joran? Nobody will be seen with them and they will vanish into the hash haze called holland.
I agree with the sentiment i have gleaned from this site overall. this isnt simply a delinquent kid named van der slut killing a tourist.
the cover up has raised questions that demand international answers. The US govt should remove all van der sluts from aruba at once. How i dont care, perhaps the sharks are still hungry on the redneck riviera.

[Mary]

Joran....Just "DO IT" tell the damn truth!