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What ever you say - you lost me in the . . . .

Have you looked to see how many of those blogs use expanded entries? In my experience, one big thing that runs up the sitemeter "time" stuff on my own blog is when I write posts which have continuations. This forces my readers to view a second page to read what I'm actually saying, and reduces the number of 0 second visits.

Instapundit almost never uses continuations -- so the only time he would see visits longer than 0 seconds, I think, is if someone clicks a link away from his page and then returns within several minutes (In my experience, sitemeter seems to recognize the same ip address coming back if it happens within a few minutes as a single visit of a larger amount of time; if it's hours later, it's a distinct visit), or clicks another link to elsewhere on his site. In contrast, Evangelical Outpost (for example) uses lots of continuations.

What I'm saying is that I suspect that blogs that use lots of extended entries, or spend lots of time linking to themselves, would probably see higher average time per visit than those which put the entire entry for on the initial page. Have you thought of looking at whether this is correct?

Another factor also may be those blogs which use a lot of links elsewhere. They probably would see higher time per visit than those that don't (due to people going away on a link, and then coming back, which I think sitemeter counts as a single longer visit).

In summary, if I'm right, I would expect those blogs with the longest average time per viewer to be those which use lots of outgoing links, or links to elsewhere on the blog, and use extended entries. Those with the shortest would be the ones that don't link out much, and put everything on the main page.

I think David has a point...

But I think the answer lies with the "comments" as well. Neither Powerline nor Sullivan use comments on their sites--thus you never redirect to another page within their site. You just scroll. Perhaps that has an affect. That might explain (aside from shear readership) why LGF and KOS etc. have high numbers. Drudge Retort is a different type of site all together. Volokh does a lot of self linking--even though it doesn't have comments.

Possibly? Maybe?

As per Sitemeter's FAQ:

Why do some of my visitors have visit lengths of 0:00?

That means the visitors are only staying to view a single page and then leaving. The only way that Site Meter knows how long someone is on a site is by the times of each page view. If they only look at a single page and then leave, we don't know how long they looked at the page. If they looked at two pages and left we would know they at least were on the site during the time of the first page view and the second page view. The difference between those two times would be the length of the visit.

So yes, any blog that is formatted so that visitors don't click around very much, if at all, are much more likely to have vastly lower reading times. To be able to compare reading times, a counter would have to keep track of the total time between the first instance of the domain being accessed and another domain being accessed (either through an outside link or through bookmark/favorite lists).

"Site Meter defines a 'visit' as a series of page views by one person with no more than 30 minutes in between page views."

and

"When you are browsing a site, every time you follow a link, it is treated as a single 'page view'."

I don't have the time to do the analysis, but if you compared the average amount of time spent at a site with the average number of page views, you'll probably get a pretty direct correlation.

As to why they don't measure the way I mentioned? Probably because keeping count for as many sites as sitemeter does would so overload the system that it would be ineffective. And so we are stuck with the 0:00 visitors, who could have spent 3 days sitting on the site, and never clicked a link or refreshed, so we don't know how long they accessed the site.

Jeremy nails it. He made the same point over at TTLB.

Comments increase page views. In Goldstein's case, his entries spark a LOT of engaged discussion.

Subject to the 'zero-second visit' arithmetic, your analysis makes good sense. And Jeremy hit on WHY certain sites have high views-per-visitor.

Hey thanks for adding to me the Carnival. My memories of carnival are fond, except for when I was in the 6th grade and I yakked on the tilt a whirl. If you saw the load I was sitting next to you would have understood that my stomach never stood a chance.

Anyway, hope you enjoy the Doormatt, I have been getting good numbers so far.

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