Post Debate Debate

UPDATE: Look for a significant breaking event, situation or information to hurt Kerry within the next week. And don't think for a minute that some third party veterans weren't pissed at Kerry having the nerve to invoke his behavior after returning from Vietnam as a positive. He rubbed salt in that wound.

Kerry won on points and style. Bush won on passion and comittment. Bush could have taken Kerry out tonight at several points, he failed to do so. President Bush was not on top of his game, off action views were not good. Bush looked frustrated, almost disgusted. I understand his disgust, will the "great middle?" I don't know. If the media hits him with this, and they will - it could hurt a little.

A lot of damned missed opportunities to drive the stake home - on Allawi, on Kerry's post-Vietnam positions (questionable tactic) should have gone stronger on how long we danced with the United Nations and inspections and no fly zones with out pilots being shot at. He should have made the point about serious questions about food for oil program showing lack of credibility to the very place (UN) with which Kerry is so enamored.

When Lehrer asked question about 1,000 dead (Christ he said 10,000 first) why in the hell didn't Bush point out that over 3,000 died on 9/11? That was a perfect chance to put some perspective on this.

We're in a dog fight til the end now. Moderate Dems will rally for Kerry based on this performance. Kerry did not enamor himself to the far left on Iraq - but he knows he has them anyway. Bush did have some very strong moments and was much better at talking to the people.

I unabashedly believe the questioning played out to Kerry's advantage. Lehrer made Bush defend his positions. Questions to Kerry opened the door for Kerry to criticize Bush. How did he lie? What would you do differently? Where were the damn questions on Kerry's having stated different positions? About how his post war behavior would impact him as commander in chief? I need a transcript! Get me a transcript! Fuck, I am not going to look at Kerry for four years. Get my checkbook, where is that Swiftboat link.

Debates! Phtooie! Can I still Tivo the convention? Get Bin Laden out of the cave NOW!. It's time to go nuklar on this fucker. Someone page Rove. We'll win this thing. But I wanted to win big. However, we have been much better at the day to day ground game all along. Breath! Settle down, go outside. Beat up a liberal and relax. Bush is still the man. Let the spinners have their say and get back to work. We cannot afford a Kerry presidency.

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Comments

[Chrys]

YOU'RE QUICK - - I'm still assembling thoughts!! You're RIGHT of course!!

[Chrys]

YOU'RE QUICK - - I'm still assembling thoughts!! You're RIGHT of course!! CORRECT also on the fact that the questions seemed written in favor of KERRY to make statements while BUSH's questions where pro-Kerry also!

[c]

I was astonished by how similar last night's debate was to the 2000 debates. Kerry/Gore, so polished and forceful. Bush, so fumbling but sincere.

What is the obvious implication?

[Dan]

c:

If the nation wants to elect an anchor person, Kerry's the guy. He can mouth whatever he and his people believe is the "right" thing to say. If the nation wants a leader and looks at this debate for it's substance, to me, Bush is the clear winner.

Kerry dissed Putin, already dissed Allawi, and gives praise to the UN and Global approach, in the face of known scandals and backdoor deals that show that route is a dangerous one for our own national security. And Kerry's N. Korea approach is a rehashed Clinton strategy that didn't work. It got us to where we are today.

My concern is, is the electorate mature enough to make these distinctions? I'd like to think so, but it is the same electorate that fired Bush Sr. for a guy who was so obviously flawed from the start.

Dan

[rdeat]

Dan,

Clinton had something waffle doesn't: character.

Because you conservatives love Bush's right-wing policies so much and voted for him then:

1. Let your son be drafted, sent to Iraq and be killed as Bush/Cheney cannon fodder, not mine.

2. Let your money go to Washington to pay for the giveaways to the corporations, the rich and the evangelical churches, don't take mine.

3. Let you be the one to invite the government into your bedroom to enforce their "moral" views, not into mine.

4. Let the government take away your freedom of Religion, not mine.

5.Since you cosidered Saddam more dangerous than Bin Laden, when Al Qaida does another terrorist attack, let it be your family who is killed, not mine.

If you right-wingers don't stop forcing your views down other people's throats, you're gonna
get what you seem to love most - war and violence - but it won't be "over there".
Get ready for civil war 2 - I for one, would rather die fighting then submit!
"Give me liberty or give me death!"

A Patriot.