The Cain Humiliation: Conservatives Aren’t Ready To Ascend
Having experienced the Reagan Revolution, I had high hopes going into 2012. They're all but gone now. Someone recently asked me if I was an "anybody but Romney" guy. The thought that I would reject a competent Romney for the current Cain Clown show in which parts of the Right are indulging itself was offensive.
The Conservative Movement I believe in has always been driven by competence, hope, idealism, patriotism and American exceptional-ism, among a host of other positives. What I see going on with this current Cain mutiny is about nothing more than anger, desperation, resentment and victimization.
Frankly put, it disgusts me.
It's been clear that Conservatism has lacked for strong political leadership for some years. Fortunately, there are several bright young stars coming up that offer hope for Conservatism's future. I'm by no means writing it off completely as a movement. But that so many conservatives, driven by nothing more than negative emotions, would allow themselves to be drawn in by a jive talking huckster with silly cobbled together at the last minute plans designed more for pizza box sloganeering, than governing a great nation, is embarrassing.
Furthermore, the notion that I, or others, are only down on Cain because we've settled on this or that other candidate is beneath some of the intellects proffering it. And how is it that Politico is to blame, when the most outrageous bit of pathetic pseudo-journalism I've seen this year bears the bylines of two new media personalities, yet no one seems the least bit interested in making them answer for that? Answer that, before telling me how much better than them we're supposed to be.
This isn't a serious political movement right now, it's a clown show, one with which I'm coming to resent being affiliated. As for candidates, I'm giving Newt Gingrich a closer look. I'm willing to give Perry more time to see if he can pull his act together, or perhaps a spark lights up under another serious conservative in the race. Barring that, I guess I'll be forced to hold my nose and back Mitt Romney.
As for the current parade seemingly marching off in lockstep behind the charade that's Herman Cain, I'd rather sit out 2012, than join in that humiliation that speaks to little more than the conservative movement's current bankruptcy when it comes to a serious and viable political leadership.
Finally, a voice of reason.
…the bylines of two new media personalities…
Links or names…anything…please…!!!
C’mon, get your heads up!
Here’s a little palate-cleanser…
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/sarah-palin-dont-let-obama-blame-george-bush-for-the-fiasco-they-created-video/
Thank you for writing what needs to written. You got it exactly right with Cain. This is your best piece in a long time.
jive talking huckster you say
How about going third party rather than Romney?
Anybody know…or even have a guess…about who Dan referred to as “two new media personalities”, ‘cuz I’m lost…
PJ Media did a hit piece that they had to walk back. They’re probably one of them.
But Rush and Mark Levin continue to call out this story for the garbage that it is. I suggest everyone listen to the first 15 minutes of the Mark Levin show for 11/3/11. It’s available free on his website.
Oh, and PJ Media had to walk back the story because their facts were all wrong.
Dan,
How about going on over and joining up with Charles. You could call it ‘Riehl Green Footballs’.
So I take it Dan doesn’t like Mark Levin anymore?
I agree with Rush on this issue:
“Alleged Details of the Alleged Incident Alleged to be Final Nail in Cain’s Coffin”
[Rush, reading from an article in] “Forbes: “There were no names, locations, or exact descriptions of what Cain is alleged to have said or done,” and there still aren’t! Does anybody, sitting here right now, know what he did? Obama had 20 years to respond to Reverend Wright and all he could come up with was, “I wasn’t listening.” Bill Ayers? “No, I didn’t start my campaign at his house. He was just some locoweed in the neighborhood.” Wrong! He started his political career in Bill Ayers’ living room. Now, this is from Forbes: The campaign spokesman “Gordon and the campaign say they couldn’t respond because they had no idea what they were responding to. Gordon even begged Harris to send him copies of any documents with the names blacked out. Harris refused” to do that.
What we have here, we’ve got shoddy reporting from The Politico and this Pajamas Media. I hate saying this (I really hate saying this), but this is shoddy. They report that Cain and the woman got in the cab together and then they have to say, “Nope, nope, nope! Sorry, nobody saw that.” Well, yeah, a couple days ago later they say that, issue the correction? Cain and the woman went to Cain’s Crystal City apartment where she spent at night and woke up alive! And they originally said “in his bed,” then they had to correct that. Nobody, nobody knows what he did. We know everything Bill Clinton did, including lying about it to a grand jury!
We know everything Ted Kennedy did; we know everything John Edwards did. They are heroes. We know everything Eliot Spitzer did; he got a TV show. We don’t know what Herman Cain did, and they’re telling us (even people on our side), “He’s letting me down. I don’t think it’s presidential. He doesn’t know how to handle this.” Bill Clinton does? John Edwards does? Ted Kennedy knew how to handle it? Is that our model? We still don’t know what he did or didn’t do, and that’s the only reason I am withholding any judgment on any of this — and, gosh, I would think anybody with half a brain would be waiting to find out some specifics here.”
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/03/alleged_details_of_the_alleged_incident_alleged_to_be_final_nail_in_cain_s_coffin
Guys, remember you have two tracks here…
1. Cain done wrong—the jury is still out for me on that one
2. Cain handled this STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooopidly—he just HAS, and he is still digging
PJM DID do the wrong thing rushing out with a weak-assed story…but they DID walk it back.
Politico has NOT. They doubled down. So I’m still lost.
“I’d rather sit out 2012″
That one phrase should basically disqualify you from being taken seriously ever again.
Yes, Rags, he has handled it poorly, but Dan has just said that he’d rather sit it out than vote for Cain. This after using the great Dana Milbank in a post to hit Cain yet again. The guy is losing it.
Dan is hyperbolic.
This is NEWS…!?!?!?
Cripes, guys…he has gone off on me a time or two when I disagreed with him. He is…mercurial.
Maybe the water from when he was a kid in Joysey…
i think a lot of people are givng newt a second look. his debate with cain on saturday will let everyone evaluate the relative substances of their campaigns
Newt it is.
He might see the future better than the rest.
I doubt pres. hug a muzzie would debate Newt.
I am only glad this is happening a year before the election.
I think Cain is more than a “clown act” but I am disgusted that Cain is being trounced by “real conservatives” (Not) like Jen Rubin and Karl Rove and the choice is Perry (previously damaged by his own flubs) or Romney (damaged from a career of full blown flip flops and “moderate” positioning). I do not see Perry coming back. Romney is the “Let’s Lose Just a Wee Bit Slower than Obama” approach.
If you think Cain is not ready for prime time, fair enough. There are legitimate reasons to criticize him. But the fact that the GOP is not rallying behind Cain on this sexual hatchet job (which it is) is sickening. It is Palin all over again. This is why the GOP is in the mess it is in.
And the only one benefiting is Obama. He sure as hell does not want the focus on his acheivements.
There is a reason that Levin, Rush, Goldstein, and Stacy McCain are rallying to Cain, because it is the right thing to do on a BS attack like this.
You want to attack Cain on the merits of his positions, fair enough. These sexual allegations however the issue there should be support for him. And if Cain is lying and it turns out to be the case–well then he is toast. But we should give our candidates the benefit of doubt and support them until the facts come out.
it is palin redux. he will acquire defensive devotees who will follow him over a cliff regardless of the circumstances and facts and his lapses
As for sitting out 2012, most conservatives, have shown, time after time, that they don’t have the cojones for that.
Only the Tea Partiers do.
louisc reports to us from the Alternate Universe Quango.
Well done Dan Riehl. I agree with everything you wrote outside of Romney. There is a cult-like mentality to Cain supporters and shills that really overrides logic that is also at play here. This week of Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin are some of the worst shows of their career and I can’t stand listening to these Titans act like everything they railed against. If Rush heard what he said this week he agree with you, Dan.
Jedediah Bila is a brilliant writer that I really like and even she seems to have gone off the reservation for Herman Cain. Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham have been the biggest embarassments in the Cain Clown Show by far. I have often suspected that Coulter is a closet liberal and it is showing through as the years go by. Coulter and Cain are the products of a bankrupt republican conservative movement.Sarah Palin helped give the Tea Party life and now Herman Cain is killing it! Palin’s Tea Party had a real foundation.
Q.E.D.
The Cain Cult is too blind to even know what it has become.
Just keep throwing conservatives under the bus, maybe it will stop before the progs drive it off a cliff.
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=31822
A serious response to this post.
Do not compare Cain to Palin EVER.
From day one I said Cain was a freckin joke and a clown. Cain has told lie after lie.
Now he is also a boozer.
Cain is going to drive Obama’s poll numbers up.
You think there are only 3 women. These are the ones that didn’t follow his roaming eye.
If this side show made it to the General than out come the women that slept with him.
Booze and women.
Cain needs to go home and take care of his family.
And I’ve leveled this at Dan before, but he has no problem calling out the smaller name bloggers and radio hosts, like Erickson and Jacobson…but man, he just can’t bring himself to say the names Limbaugh and Levin and when he not only disagrees with them, but believes them to be part of a “clown show.”
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=31822
Amen.
This thread is a fun revelation of human nature.
You have people who think Cain is a BlueBeard OR a living saint…
all without any evidence.
Haha, I love it. Real Americans are now falling all over themselves to declare that they totally knew the whole time that Cain was a fraud of a candidate. Yet he’s STILL the Teatard front-runner. In fact, Teatards love him now more than ever! Teatard voters either DON’T BELIEVE the Cain allegations, or DON’T CARE because they believe that women are property anyway. This speaks VOLUMES about the regressiveness, and dim-wittedness of Teatard voters. So easily led around by the nose and grifted by snake oil salesmen.
Meanwhile, the more the country sees what “Republican values” actually entail, the better for the Kenyan: http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWl9y3SIPt7o%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded
Don’t worry, Patriots. You’ll always have Somalia.
Since the Sex Harrassment story has only served to enhance Cain’s popularity and standing, while undermining the lib media, has anyone considered that the story was ‘leaked’ from the Cain camp itself? When you couple that (“in your face” challenge to lib-sex harrassment) with “in your face” smoking Cain ad, and Cain’s dragging out the story (supposedly inept handling by Team Cain, but maybe really ept), hmmmmmmmm.
…and everyone’s reporting and talking Cain, 24/7
What I find funny is on other sites they’re claiming Cain told the truth about not knowing the allegations and there was a settlement. This doesn’t mean Cain doesn’t know what the allegations were.
Even if he left before the agreement was signed, obviously he is aware of what the woman was saying. There is no way, the NRA would have just taken the woman’s word without asking Mr. Cain about it.
AND IT WAS THE 2ND WOMAN’S SETTLEMENT THAT WAS SIGNED IN 9/99, NOT THE 1ST WOMAN’S. The 1st woman left the NRA in 1998:
“The woman left the NRA in May 1998, and received a settlement of one-year’s salary.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67621.html#ixzz1cklaGgow
I think what happened it that the NRA was willingly to overlook the first woman’s allegations in 1998 but when the 2nd woman came forward in 1999 they couldn’t. Cain left right after the 2nd one, without completing his tenure and most of the board members wondered why. Remember, several of them came forward and said they didn’t even know about the allegations as he skipped the board and went directly to counsel.
There was an investigation and several meetings with the parties involved. It’s highly unlikely they just talked to the woman and not to Cain.
Addtionally, I do understand how the woman left due to other’s change around her. I was employed at a place where 3 women came out on 2 men at the office. The others treated them like a pariah. All 3 were treated differently after this happened. It even got out to outside vendors and around the company. They were treated terribly.
When the case originally was reported, the boss and Human Resources talked to all of them on several occasions, including the men. The reason for this is you don’t take the word of one side without finding the other. For example, to fire someone you cannot just take the word.
One was the Administrative Asst of my boss. He always had her come in to take dictation and get her take on issues all the time. After she made her claim, he always asked me to come in and sit in whenever he needed her. He didn’t believe her until he actually walked into the copy room one day and saw one of them pressing her against the copy machine while the other grabbed her breast. She ended up leaving and so did the other two so I can understand. They didn’t leave just because of the harassment. They left because they were not believed and for the shame and humiliation others put on them.
The only reason this got around further was because after being fired, both men filed for unemployment. All parties involved had to testify at a hearing at the Unemployment office. This was also further humiliation to the women, the company didn’t believe them, treated them terribly and then had the nerve to get them to testify so the company wouldn’t have to pay the unemployment.
The comments here from lefties ought to tell you what a fool you’ve been, Riehl.
UAssMORON proves that there is NOTHING in the universe of human behavior that she will not ascribe to TEA Party people…
while at the same time lying and denying direct evidence of criminal conduct by her pards in the Collective.
This COULD be the definition of madness. It certainly is a BLAZING example of hate.
“…at least Cain didn’t quit an elected position half way through to do it.”
Terry Teh MORON, which elective position has Obama completed?
Wrong, you idiot. But I expected no better from you.
How many offices did Palin serve out?
There are more “illegitimate” kids in John Edward’s family than the entire Palin clan.
Obama…UNREPEATED…!!!
I remember Dan calling out bloggers for belittling Perry, saying that if Perry reaches the General he’d be weakened by his own party prior to battling Obama.. But now Dan has not only dismissed his own advice but that of Reagan, Levin, Rush and many others.. Not because he’s been thoughtfully pointing out problems with Cain’s Policy or Ideology, but because he enthusiastically trashes Cain with false claims and personal opinion.. And to help prove his point, he goes a step further to also trash the Cain supporters as being NOT SERIOUS too, that is a tactic right out of Karl Rove’s GOP Establishment handbook, on How To Defeat Conservatives… Anyone who’s followed Dan for awhile knows he’s a Bias, hotheaded, devout Perry Fan..
Damn, Bill…you’ve been reading some other Dan Riehl…!!!
Good Wiki work, Terry Teh MORON…!!!
But you only answered HALF the question.
Normal for a half-wit. (I know…I’m being ridiculously charitable…call it a flaw)
@Ragspierre.. No, it’s all in his twitter history and I can post them here if you care to tell me where you think I misspoke..
Oh, the Clownselor’s perpetual butt-hurt over it being pointed out that his ideological confederates tend to be violent, angry, irrational, anti-social people. You see, it’s just not FAIR to point out example after example, after example, after example, after example.
Because teleprompter, 57 states, empty suit, Chicago thug.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Riehl+Perry&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=Riehl+Perry&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=N8j&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&ei=3y20TtCGH-KgsgLOwPDDAw&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=78c34ea372a7b1e8&biw=1152&bih=690
You’ll find a LOT of Perry critique in there.
Dan chewed on my head for defending Perry from what I considered a rabid Malkin attack on Perry. (You’ll find me defending LOTS of people here, which some people mistake for advocacy.)
But I also take exception to your allegation that Dan is critiquing Cain on personal grounds. Bad messaging is bad messaging, and Cain has done a LOT of it. I am, BTW, an early Cain supporter.
When will Governor Perry demand that this Republican judge be investigated, step down, etc.?
The Poor, stupid, lying, RACIST, evil, Collectivist harpy(tm)…
must be constipated…or something.
She is just phoning in her hate-twisted madness today.
Did they raise your Thorazine level, UAssMORON…???
The judge is already under investigation, you…
Poor, stupid, lying, RACIST, evil, Collectivist harpy(tm).
Really, are you an idiot organically, or did you have to work at it…???
Jon Corzine v. an obscure Texas family court judge (whose politics you have NO idea about)
Really…???
Eric Holder v. Herman Cain (who has NO power to compel you to do ANY-FLUCKING-THING)
Really…???
If you vote 4 Mitt Romney you deserve another 4 of Dead Meat.
As usual, the Clownselor has nothing but frothing, impotent rage, and name-calling. No principles beyond “it’s all ok when Republicans do it.” Shouldn’t Governor Perry at least condemn this child-beating Republican judge, Clownselor? Or is he just exercising his “sincerely held beliefs” like GOPers would permit in Michigan?
I had a sexual harrassment charge against me. It was very innocuous but still it was lodged and I had to go to a meeting with the priciples and my immediate superiors….TRUST ME IT IS A MOMENT I WILL NOT FORGET AND IT WIZED ME UP AS TO HOW TO ACT IN THE FUTURE. For Mr. 999 to pretend that he has no recolection of this event in his life is absolute BS. There is a process that you go through and it is not taken lightly. You remember what was said and what happend. I retell the story even today occasionally because it was kind of funny. I did not suggest anything to her, was not interested in being with her, was not even attracted to her.I was just giving her some useless information about the Grand Tetons in Wyoming….seriously. My point about this is that when you are charged with sexual harrasment you remember every thing about the process and Cain remembers trust me. He know exactly what he said to this woman or women and he remembers the process he had to go through after the charges were made and I can assure you that he “left” the NRA because he was invited to “leave” after the second incident because they knew they had a ticking time bomb on their hands and the sooner he was out of there the better. HE had already cost them tens of thousands of dollars. It could have gone to hundreds of thousands easily if there were mulitple events and they had not intervened to stop him or remove him from his position.
Support that the judge in question is a “Republican”.
Why hasn’t President Lame Duck condemned the judge…or his buddy Holder…or his buddy, Corzine…?
I’m not the one here who “froths”, silly.
Nor the one who HATES free speech.
Or democracy.
Or the rule of law…
or…
@Ragspierre.. “Bad messaging” is just an opinion which can be highly subjective and impossible to argue against… However, we have seen Cain’s rising poll numbers and huge increase in donations which could suggest Riehl may be letting personal bias dictate his objectivity of Cain’s Messaging or Campaign Style… When Riehl resorts to name-calling and baseless attacks, against any candidate, it only shows his opinion to be heavily biased and unprofessional, which makes it difficult for me or anyone else to take his critiques seriously… Policy, ideology and position on issues, are areas that can be examined fairly with each candidate, against a particular standard… But it’s impossible to do the same with “Style of Campaign” or “Messaging” because it’s subjective…
Messaging is…to a degree…subjective.
To large measure, it is OBJECTIVE, as I think you’d have to agree. When you have a guy who says things that are APPARENTLY contradictory…when you have a guy who OFTEN says things which require he “clarify”…when you have a guy who SHOULD have shut up SUNDAY about POLITICO’s scandal (not his)…when you have a guy who FAILS to return the public view to his good ideas and who he IS…
you have an OBJECTIVE messaging problem.
Dan claims he knows stuff about Cain that says his candidacy is frivolous. That isn’t “baseless”, nor is it name-calling.
Mr. Riehl,
I don’t know if you follow Ace of Spades at all, but I think his view is similar to yours. One of the things I have personally found frustrating about Cain supporters is that there doesn’t seem to be that much proof that Cain is actually conservative. When he is off-script, he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-negotiating with terrorists. His fiscal plan contains a wealth redistribution scheme, and implements a national sales tax AND a national VAT. Heck, he supported Bill Clinton in 1992.
Not only do I see people making the case for his competence, I don’t see people make an objective case for his conservatism.
Boone, if you’re questioning Cain’s Conservatism what hope do you have for any of the others we KNOW have Less-than-Conservative records… Gingrich supported the Mandate in Obamacare, Perry is Pro-Illegal, Crony Capitalism, Romney has too many to list..
@Ragspierre, Take all those things said about Cain and replace Cain’s name for Perry’s and ask yourself why Riehl still supports Perry… Perry has had just as many misstatements as Cain…
How come there is no Newt bashing, Dan?
He is leading one of your picks.
@Bill…
you lost me at “Pro-Illegal”.
“As for the current parade seemingly marching off in lockstep behind the charade that’s Herman Cain, I’d rather sit out 2012, than join in that humiliation that speaks to little more than the conservative movement’s current bankruptcy when it comes to a serious and viable political leadership.”
Ok get your emotions in check…you’ll sit it out? You should be willing to vote for a half-eaten breakfast over Obama. This Cain business is nonsense, but it’s a damn site better that what’s going on in DC right now and if you are such a pansy as to not be able to suck it up JUST to vote against Obama then you can take your website and your preachy whining and go directly to OWS where maybe you belong.
Dan, you’re overreacting. Not a single vote has been cast yet. The voters are still vetting Herman Cain. They’re still vetting Mitt Romney for that matter. 70% of Republican voters don’t know enough about Romneycare to render an opinion. How many years has Romney been running now? And yet we’re supposed to think that conservatism is about to collapse because conservatives are still intrigued by the “fresh face” in the crowd?
Quote of the Day: “So now I’m thinking her claim was trumped up.” Ace. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/323371.php
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/04/michael-moore-violence-occupy-events-likely-caused-undercover-homelan
Jabba the Moore, millionaire Collectivist liar, wants people to believe that the Revolting Eloi’s violence is the work of DHS…or cop plants…
and I don’t mean ficus.
You. Can. NOT. Make. This. Up!
Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan would raise the taxes of middle-class Tea Partiers while cutting the taxes of Zero’s wealthy backers, and yet the Tea Party movement is still in love with him. Why would you be surprised that they’re still supporting Cain in spite of the sexual harassment allegations?
Cain’s allegedly conservative supporters playing the race/victim card is the most pathetic episode of this entire fiasco, however.
“Why would you be surprised that they’re still supporting Cain in spite of the sexual harassment allegations?”
Why would you be surprised that people do not lend credence to a set of unsourced, unsubstantiated, UNDEFINED, anonymous allegations…of something or other.
Oh, wait…I know…!!!
Because you thought it would distract from THIS….
At this point in Reagan’s first term after fighting out of that dismal recession, the economy added more than 270,000 jobs. There were about 85 million fewer Americans back then. So to get comparable job growth today, we would have needed to add almost 370,000 jobs last month. Instead, we got 80k — or not much more than one-fifth of what we need.
Instead, “real” unemployment — calculated by the labor force as it stood in January, 2009 — is still up over 11%. Underemployment is still over 16%.
Wages were up 0.02%, almost enough to make up for the 0.03% wages shrank over the last couple of months.
Our economy is barely treading water. GDP growth is fair-to-middlin, but until the Leviathan takes its boot off the economy’s throat, this is as good as it gets.
–Steven Green
Wrong. It is the economy, stupid.
Ragpierre, Cain is innocent until proven guilty as far as I’m concerned. That doesn’t mean I agree with so-called conservatives crying “racist” like Al Sharpton in response to it or the Cain campaign doing a terrible job in handling it (saying nothing in spite of having advanced warning of the leak, changing their story every day, blaming other GOP candidates, etc.).
Jeremy, we agree in large part.
I DO find it passing strange that the Collective uses the “hyper-sexual Black man” booger when they go after a Black Conservative, so I take less umbrage when Cain pushes back by noting the racist overtones here.
But that’s me.
Terry – Tripp is illegitimate (thank heavens ) but Kyla’s parents are married.
And why do you attack a 3 year old -who is a very cute guy – & a months old BABY?
Well, there is a fractal phenomenon going on here where the lesser stories, like this post, are muddy duplicates of the larger and the smaller events. What two new media figures are we talking about and what was said that was so absurd? While not a close listener I do recall Levin stating on Cain, No documents. No names. No sources. No evidence. I would go further and say, no allegations because just what Cain was supposed to have said or done is STILL not public even after the so-called “statement” of the woman which is dictated legalese declaring nothing of substance but that she acted in “good faith”. I should certainly hope so.
Like Levin and Limbaugh as well, who would second those simple facts above, I am not a Cain man. Far from it. In Georgia we have had up close contact with the gentleman (and I do believe he is one) for many years. He is certainly a huckster in his style but more importantly, yes he is unserious and unknowledgeable on many matters and inconstant on others. I would prefer him over Obama but not by very much. The point of the Cain Scrutiny is the shoddy, bias-ridden and nakedly offensive (in a tactical sense) of the press’s actions here, if indeed Politico is part of the press. Doesn’t anyone here recall the Clinton years? How can Clinton’s lifetime pass for his many documented rapes, exposures, assaults and other crimes be born when “charges” are concocted out of nothing and applied without reason simply because one person happens to break out of the Republican field for a moment? And if anyone thinks there is anything more going on here you need to blink hard and wake up. Whether this hit came from Obama’s side (unlikely I think) or Cain’s competitors there can be no doubt, can there?, that this is a Weapon of Mass Distraction. It is designed not to vindicate the suppressed claims of some obscure woman; she wants no such public accounting. This is gossip elevated to the level of Civil Rights. And if that is the community standard, fine, but it’s not. Cain should get the Clinton treatment. That is pretty wishful thinking so instead why don’t we demand that Cain be treated with basic fairness, that there be SOME standard of proof of some sort. Where is the scrub of Larry Sinclair’s claims that Obama and he had sex in a limo some years back and smoked crack cocaine? That seems to be about the same timeframe and Sinclair makes his charges in public and on tape. When you get something like that on Cain let me know. As for the general state of the field, it is mostly as you say. Probitive figures like Santorum and Pawlenty fail to light up the night and are forgotten. Ridiculed really as Also Rans but Romney I shall never vote for. Competent? Perhaps, but at nothing I or you want done. Gingrich? His great insight is to import Singapore’s criminal code to the US; floggings and hangings for raising hemp and such. No, he is a madman and Perry is not far off. Paul is plausible but only just. Then again, I am not really a conservative but I have been a solid Republican voter for many years and I tell you this: I will never vote for Romney. I will vote for Obama over Gingrich and in any case it seems another Obama term may be necessary for the nation to learn the true nature and costs of socialism. Nearly no candidate is going to do what needs doing to roll back that monster, which will mean an end to federal entitlements. Yes, every one. Who is up for that? Not even Ru Paul.
mega…you had moments in there where you showed hopeful bits of sanity.
Go with the positive…
Cain is no worse than Palin, Bachmann or Perry.
The Conservative Movement I believe in has always been driven by competence,
I’ve read Richard Weaver, Russell Kirk, Edmund Burke, F. A. Hayek, Joseph de Maistre, Thomas Sowell and Milton Friedman and I haven’t come across much competence except in limited areas.
[we have seen Cain’s rising poll numbers and huge increase in donations ]
Cain’s answers about abortion are STILL incoherent and his ignorance about neo-conservatism and China’s ICBMS is inexcusable.