Erick Erickson All Wee Weed Up Over Palin
Via Jen Kuznicki: RedState’s Erickson Dogs Palin Supporters Pretty ironic for Erickson to hold Palin responsible for her fans, when he repeatedly claims to not even be responsible for what's posted on a blog he edits. But then, I don't expect consistency there. The dirty little secret behind a post in which he bashed Jamie Radtke for going on and on is that he told her to do a full speech. He just never told anyone else, then turned it around to slam her. Classy move, son.
Erickson cries “Enough!” today at RedState, applauding Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham on their discussion about Sarah Palin last night on O’Reilly.
At any rate, Erickson is complaining now about the ferocity of Palin supporters. He doesn’t like their attitude, and is turned off from campaigning for Palin (if she runs) because he doesn’t want to be part of that crowd.
Give Erickson credit for actually having some perceptive foresight. He knows a genuine grassroots movement when he sees one. His post is one big long bit of concern trolling, but it stems from Erick’s understanding of how the Goldwater and Reagan Campaigns were built.
Erickson isn’t stupid. He knows that Perry and Romney don’t have supporters like Palin does in the Party. He also knows that Palin holds her support because she is the only authentic Reagan Conservative in the race.
However, Erickson is now a member of the Establishment, and the Establishment wants Perry or, failing that, Chris Christie in the race. The Establishment does NOT want Palin, because they know she will bring a wrecking ball to the cronyism they stand for. Erickson’s pragmatism, if you can call it that, was fully on display with the Radtke Affair that you outlined earlier. His bosses at Eagle Publishing are calling the tune.
Let’s be clear; the crony elite of the Assclown GOP is calling the shots right now, and they don’t want Palin around, which is why they tried to seduce her with calls of “kingmaker”. She is nobody’s fool, which is why the Establishment despises her.
There are many, many good people who support Sarah Palin and feel like they owe it to her to support her given what she has been through — from her shoddy treatment at the hands of Team McCain to an unrelenting press. But these people who have sat and continue to sit patiently and quietly waiting for Sarah Palin to finally make up her mind are starting to get frustrated. And some of them are getting aggravated by and drowned out by The Palin Fan Cult. The cult is full of people with little prominence outside a twitter stream, a few nominal soapboxes imagined to be bigger they they are, and possessing a lot of bile and little grace inside an echo chamber of indecision 2012 dementia. About the only thing this cult lacks are thetans.
Sarah Palin is a great person. She’s a great fighter. She draws in awesome attention and rallies a crowd. She has some terrific and loyal supporters I don’t want to lump in with the loud voices largely now disconnected from political reality. Ron Paul is the same way. But at some point, Sarah Palin has to take some responsibility for her supporters as Ron Paul must for his. Palin’s dragging out the tease on her decision has compounded the problem and we’ve reached a breaking point.
–Erickson
How is that “dogging Palin’s fans” (of which I am one)?
There is a clear delineation here by Erickson between two classes of Palin supporters; one “terrific and loyal supporters”, and the other a “Palin Fan Cult”.
Why pretend he did not say that?
“…a post in which he bashed Jamie Radtke for going on and on is that he told her to do a full speech. He just never told anyone else, then turned it around to slam her. Classy move, son.”
–Dan Riehl
Did you confirm that with Erickson, “son”?
Or is that what Radtke told you, and you just ran with it? Radtke is a big girl, running for a senate seat in a VERY sophisticated state. She CHOSE to speak, after asking to, and being given the chance. If she can’t speak extemporaneously for 20 minutes (and I think it is a lie she had no time to prepare) and do it effectively, she should–
1. ALWAYS have several speeches on hand (duh)
2. speak effectively for 10 minutes and STFU
3. decline to speak at all
How’s her lawsuit coming?
You want to question me in that tone, Rags – go get a blog and get off this one. : )
Funny…The Redstate regulars (including Erick) think it fine to whine all day about Palin and her supporters — yet try bringing up any legitimate criticism of Rick Perry on that site. Last time I did that, I decided to cease my visits to that site.
Last night, someone made a very astute observation. There’s a good chance that Rick Perry will implode in the debate tonight. He’s debated only 4 times in his 10.5 years as governor. All of this unwarranted vitriol toward Palin could be a strategy aimed at deflecting any inevitable criticism of his lackluster performance.
After tonight, the bloom will start to come off of the Perry infatuation.
If Eric fell out of love with Palin because of what some of her “fans” said, he’s an idiot.
How about “loving” or “hating” Palin based on what Palin does? What a thought.
And what Palin is “doing” as it relates to her entry (or non-entry) into the Presidential race is, unsurprisingly, exactly what she told us she was going to do many months ago. She is waiting to see who enters into the race and will enter if she is not satisfied that a sufficiently conservative (and potentially electable) candidate is running for the Republican nomination.
She was destroyed by the “haters” (left and right) for delaying her decision months ago – and then Perry entered, changing the race. Had she entered before then, would Perry have? Dunno. Will others still enter? Dunno. Deadline for entering hasn’t yet arrived.
She’ll decide and announce when she’s good and ready to do so, on her own terms, on her own schedule. Like every other candidate. Until then, she will continue to do what she wants to do – like every other candidate.
“How about “loving” or “hating” Palin based on what Palin does?”
Wow, Huey, that’s a GREAT point!
Who’s Sarah Palin?
Here’s the deal, it’s getting to be like … back in the day. When it was a crime … to criticize. Thuh Won.
Helooooo
“Plus she’s ginning up all these people for her when they should be focusing on other candidates if she isn’t going to run” [From Right Scoop (haven't yet watched the vid)].
Or is that too complex an equation?
Ignore reality at your peril. I shall not.
It’s time for Erickson to admit that Palin has the base. Erickson and his establishment pals know they can’t win without the base. Time for them to admit that they have no choice but to get behind Palin because the establishment already knows that Palin’s supporters have not moved and they will only vote for Palin.
Palin has stopped the formation of any 3rd Party. The conservatives are hell bent on taking over the Republican Party. The establishment can either shut up or lose in 2012 because the base stays home. No one wants to admit the dirty little fact that Palin supporters are dug in. They can sling all the insults at us that they want. We are already being called terrorists, hobbits, barbarians and we don’t care. The ball is in the establishments court. Their only choice is to get behind Palin.
Having read Erickson’s piece, I sure can’t find a word of “hate” in it anywhere.
I can’t find where Erickson “blames” Palin for her more cult-like followers even.
I DO see where he expresses frustration with her continued (and maybe intentional) palliation. But LOTS of people are expressing that…including some of her most ardent supporters.
I see, too, where Erickson worries that the more cult-like Palin supporters will be a destructive force if she is not the nominee, rather than a constructive force. Which is also true of the Ronulins. Both Palin and Paul (and everyone else) should be thinking…some…about controlling any back-lash to the extent they can, IMNHO. All to the end of defeating Bad Luck Barry.
So, maybe someone can quote Erickson in context for me to show why I should be hyperventilating too…
You know Ragspierre, from your position as a notorious Perry-Cultist your lectures on the subject of ‘cultists’ are astonishing.
“How is that “dogging Palin’s fans” (of which I am one)?
There is a clear delineation here by Erickson between two classes of Palin supporters; one “terrific and loyal supporters”, and the other a “Palin Fan Cult”.
Why pretend he did not say that?”
Posted by: Ragspierre | Wednesday, September 07, 2011 at 08:44 AM
Why did Erickson need to say it at all? What good comes out of this post? He hides like a little bitch behind the excuse that he isn’t talking about all Palin supporters, but just those awful cultists. The post is pathetic and so is Erickson.
This from a man that makes his living giving his opinion and then gets upset and starts whining when he gets some feedback pushing back on his opinion. Well, I thought that was part of the blogger/pundit job. Erickson has the right to give his thoughts on whatever he likes, but doesn’t get to set the rules that no one can disagree or give their thoughts on his blog post. If that’s the case then close the comment section and don’t publish a contact e-mail. I admit a bias towards Erickson as I have never liked him or his blog. I just could never get past his ego and his belief of his own self-importance.
I can see a theme developing with the word ‘tease’ being thrown around concerning Palin and her decision. Was Perry accused of ‘teasing’ anyone? People act like he has been in the race for 3 or 4 months and not 3 or 4 weeks. Perry has still yet to participate in a debate. Maybe he will make it tonight.
If I decided on a candidate based on their supporters then I would never pick a candidate. Every candidate has supporters that piss me off, but you can’t hold it against the politician or demand that they get their supporters under control. Well, unless you’re an egotistical jackass like Erickson.
Anyway Ragspierre, I can’t pull up the article at Redstate right now so I can’t copy & paste some of the smears that Erickson did level at the Palin cult. You make it sound like he is looking out for Palin and helping her control those awful cultist that have driven him and others away as former supporters. Erickson needs to be careful about talking about cults though. Someone might really be in a cult and place Erickson and his family inside a pentagram and start offering the exchange of souls.
I remember when UBER SMART Republicans said that Obama’s rabid base would doom him in 2008 and turn people off.
Guess what? IT IS A GREAT THING TO HAVE PASSIONATE SUPPORTERS WHO WILL WORK THE GROUND FOR YOU FOR NO PAY! What does it say that the other candidates need to pay an army of staff funded by rich special interests to do their work for them?
“…your position as a notorious Perry-Cultist your lectures on the subject of ‘cultists’ are astonishing.”
Hilarious…!!!
I have defended Palin, Bachman, Cain, and Perry here from what I considered unwarranted attacks.
I will again today and tomorrow, should occasion warrant.
“I see, too, where Erickson worries that the more cult-like Palin supporters will be a destructive force if she is not the nominee, rather than a constructive force.”
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If Eric is truely worried about Palin supporters turning into a problem – doesn’t it strike you as a little stupid to go out of his way to insult them? I’m a Palin supporter at this point – partially because she has the ability to lead people. I’m not looking for a technocrat – a good leader can find those guys. However I also am a realist and understand that Palin has a tough job ahead of her because the media has spent months trying to destroy her and she didn’t start out skilled in the cutthroat national poltics scene.
It po’s me that people seem to think she has no right to run in the primaries. It seems like the people against her should be eager to have her face the other candidates on the public stage. I don’t understand why they harp because she hasn’t officially declared – there are other potential candidates who haven’t declared – why does she owe anyone her decision before she needs to make it?
Initially I said I would support anyone who got the GOP nomination because getting rid of Obama was most important. Hwowever the constant insults from the EE/Ace/AP of the blogosphere along with the on air pundits is pushing me into the corner of “eff you.” I’m getting tired of being told I’m a brain-dead groupie but one that better fall in line behind whatever GOP candidate my betters pick.
Was Reagan teasing, when he waited till November?
There is only one person who can carry the Repub’s, and that’s Palin. Anyone else will lose.
I found this quite ironic: After reading Mr. Erickson’s (hit) piece, just below it was an advertisement that said “Should Chris Christie Run for President? Vote Now”.
Why is it okay to be running that ad on your website if it’s toooooo late for anyone else to enter the fray? I understand making a buck, but where’s the integrity? For that matter, why doesn’t the “tease” or “too late to enter” meme apply to Chris Christie or to anybody who is said to be ‘thinking’ about entering the race?
Why is it okay for Mr. Erickson to applaud the musings of Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham, but never once decry the OBSESSION Ann Coulter has for Chris Christie? Shouldn’t Ann tell her guy to fish or cut bait? Why isn’t Laura Ingraham championing the woman currently in the race more than the one or 2 interviews she’s done with Bachmann? Even those interviews seemed obligatory considering prior to her entry in the race, Laura gushed over Bachmann and claim to be good friends? Why wouldn’t Laura (or Ann) be encouraging to another woman thinking about entering the race? You’d think they would both be supportive of fellow CONSERVATIVE women instead of throwing mud, right?
All of this stuff with Ann and Laura could be boiled down to something I learned in grade school. If someone would tease you or be unkind to you, it’s probably because they are jealous of you. So far, that’s the only logical explanation I can come up with to describe their behavior.
Hey, I’m all for criticism, but man….the only thing I’ve read lately concerning Palin criticism’s is that she wont announce on anyone’s timeframe except her own. So, as a Palin fan, it sure getting old listening to people pontificate all day long on how/when/where Palin should announce.
Criticism, sure, bring it on. Palin has a long public record to go through. But if you are that shallow of thought that you cant see the benefit to someone observing the political battlefield prior to entering then you are not criticizing but rather trying to influence her decision…and like Sarah said people doing are doing that for their own purposes, not hers!
“Plus she’s ginning up all these people for her when they should be focusing on other candidates if she isn’t going to run” [From Right Scoop (haven't yet watched the vid)].
Or is that too complex an equation?
Ignore reality at your peril. I shall not.
Posted by: Elmo | Wednesday, September 07, 2011 at 09:38 AM
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The other candidates must be pretty poor if they can’t compete with someone who hasn’t even declared if she’s running. Are the others so pathetic they can’t compete with her but they think they can win the general election?
Excellent Carrie and JoshB!
Geeez, I ask on twitter if Erick has apologized yet every day? The crap emails he put out there and saying Jamie was drunk and causing a scene is a flat out lie, when is Erick going to apologize??? He knows he lied and so do we, he wants to put all this on Palin??? What a sissy, ooops, shouldn’t of said that, he wants to play low ball like Obama’s goon’s, really? Apologize Erick and we’ll get back to running the race with respect! Or we’ll keep telling the truth and how that makes you look that’s on you. Buck up boys, we’re going to get this done, but respectively thank you
grrr !
Erickson is just another one of your typical whinners.
What people like him fear is that their chosen candidate won’t be able to compete with Palin if she gets into the race. Without being a declared candidate, Palin can draw crowds ten times what any of the others can draw. When Palin gave her speeches in IA and NH over the weekend, they weren’t heard just by those who attended, but by a much larger auidance since both were broadcast live on cable, livestreamed on the net, and the video of them have appeared on dozens of websites since.
Palin has her own timeline, and it irritates people like Ingraham, Coulter, Erickson, Rove, Krauthammer, and others that they haven’t been able to push her into deviating from her own course.
Wow, Real America must have eaten their Wheaties this morning! Grandpa is up in arms! I realize that teh nascar must have been on but you patriots should check out the poll by the fake news channel showing that the Arctic Grifter is both undefeated and unelectable.
http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/09/01/perry-overtakes-romney-as-top-gop-2012-pick-most-say-palin-should-stay-out-race/
Remember to try not to move your lips when reading!
Undefeated!!
Ah, the continuing wingnut blogger slap-fight ….
Eric (Son of Eric) continues to fail to show sufficient fealty to the Borg Collective’s chosen idol. I won’t chose an idol until one of them delivers on his/her promise to reanimate Reagan’s corpse – the only object WORTHY of the Borg’s worship, IMO.
The Pinocchio Test
Obama’s claim of having passed the “biggest middle-class tax cut in history” is ridiculous. He might have been on more solid ground if he had claimed the “broadest” tax cut, but that doesn’t sound very historic.
We went back and forth over whether this was a three or four Pinocchio violation, until we found evidence that Obama knew he was saying a whopper. Here’s how he put it in his 2010 State of the Union speech: “We cut taxes for 95 percent of working families.” That phrasing, at least, would not have been so misleading.
Four Pinnocchios
–WaPo
Which is the rating for a whopping big lie.
Lines have been drawn. Each candidate has recruited his/her authoritarian cultists. They will now fight an epic slap war over who will control the heart, *mind, and soul of the Borg Collective.
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*Yes, I know this assumes a fact not in evidence.
Stupefying … really. No one’s thinking. Just rushing … to judgment (of those who dare criticize … The One).
I’ve explained the concept what ten … twenty times already?
Go ahead (double dawg dare ya), read my comments here, the last TWO MONTHS. About how Palin is rigging the election (just like all those Dems, listing themselves on the last election’s ballot … as TEAp’s). It is patently dishonest. It is not Presidential. It is unworthy of any candidate who wants my support.
Palin IS clueless.
AND, she’s been called out (by persons other than me. M o n t h s after I myself have).
[elmo will now watch the Coultergeist and the Laura G vid ovah @ Scoop]
Wow, Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter in the same room. That’s a lot of testosterone!
Undefeated 2012!
To EE and all the other seemingly brain dead folks, what is it that cannot be understood that Sarah has said she will announce by the end of September?
Why does she have to announce when everyone else says she has to announce? When was that rule formulated and by whom?
She isn’t a tease and isn’t coy. She told everyone what she was going to do and by when. Have patience, folks, especially you, EE.
Answer me this final riddle. How come Christie can have no boots on the ground anywhere and have no structure for a campaign but it’s not too late for him to join the party but Sarah’s too late. Really?
P.S. (Only halfway through the vid)
Sarah shouldered the load, carried us. For two straight years. Two whole years. Big hammer swinging (no sh*t). I, her wingman. But when it came time to drop ordinance? She’s got her lasers locked … on me, and my candidate (wtf?).
Palin woulda been mine. But she called time out, left the stage (that media contract I warned her about, a YEAR ago). I (as in me), moved on [I got better things to do. Than sit around, and wait (pud in hand). For anyone ... even Sarah]. And, I just happen to like the ‘understudy’ beddah.
Thank you very Much.
(back to the vid …)
Mike DeVault – I posted something here earlier to that effect and amen, I completely agree! Why is it okay for others to still be thinking about getting in but not okay for Governor Palin? As far as I’m concerned, there are legal deadlines for a reason. Why not use most or all the time that’s legally given to make a decision? Just because it’s not the popular thing to do? Just because everybody else doesn’t do it? Please!
Why is Ace channeling Eric Erickson?
Ragspierre,
You’re a country lawyer.
Let’s say you’re defending a local businessman against some completely ridiculous allegations including that he has a spaceship on the roof of his factory that he uses to transport mind-controlled humans to Alpha Centauri in trade for alien robots.
A swarm of local Mafiosi testify against your client. You slaughter them in arguement.
Also, a bunch of Mafia tied city councilmen also testify against your client. They get slaughtered too.
By this time, the jury has seen, over and over again, that your client is a normal, hardworking guy who is nice to most people, and a credit to the community. They know this to be true beyond a reasonable doubt. This guy has been hamered at, and probed, and maligned.
More people trickle in to attack your client…
And the Foreman of the Jury rises to express the sense of the jury….
“Can you nutbars attacking this good and decent man just stop?”
At that point, you smile, and move for dismissal of all charges.
Well, thats where a lot of Palinistas are, and justifiably so.
I like different things about all of them, really.
I like what Palin says the most, I think.
What she did in Alaska before she was tapped for the VP nom inspires me to believe that she’ll actually try to follow through on them.
I’ll vote for just about any of them, but I want Sarah’s promises to come true the most.
I don’t pretend to understand all the convoluted thought going into if Palin should do this or that, today or yesteryear or in a month, but I have been reading her Facebook entries, including her latest, and IMHO, she is the best politician out there. I hope she can work around her bad publicity; the Dems and RINO’s were highly effective in their smear campaign, and it still resonates with a lot of the public. But I do believe it can be done, if Palin chooses to go after the office.
I know there is a personality cult that some are worried about with Palin, but I’m not part of it. She is a human, with flaws as we all have, and no President can save the country alone. He or she can only be a leader, set a tone, be a figurehead in many ways. But Palin is closer to what we need than anyone out there, and I do believe it’s true that she is a huge threat to business-as-usual in DC. I’m cynical that anyone can fully stop it, in fact, but Palin represents the possibility.
I like what she writes and in fits in with her history. I will support her if she runs, and if she doesn’t, life goes on. I’m trying to judge her on what she has done in the past and what she says she would do. The guessing game about her motives and her means is silly, and the continued attacks on her are a heinous reminder of how much she is feared among the elites, who would give us another typical pol like Perry (the Gardasil decison, alone, should be enough to disqualify him. He did attempt to explain it, apologize for it, to his credit, but it was a terribly grievous error, and I wouldn’t trust him on that alone, though there is more I don’t trust him about).
Erickson hated Palin all along. He supported Mitch Daniels even as Palin was doing good work and fighting the good fight. Erick Erickson has pretty much boosted every single anybody but Palin candidate touted by the republican media. Erickson NEVER liked Palin, he tolerated Palin to get through the election just like many of the GOP Cheerleaders. Let’s stop pretending that Erickson has a grassroots conservative community on the web. Sarah Palin has the grassroots conservative movement. This seems like a coordinated attack against Sarah Palin’s supporter and an attempt to silence them.
Erickson has banned strong Palin supporters and allowed psychotic Palin haters like Achance to spout the kind of garbage that you would find on the lefty blogs. Hotair has kept registration closed for sometime in order to keep Palin supporters from commenting there. Ann, Erickson, and Hotair believe in silencing Palin supporters and silencing conservatives. There is nothing conservative about that.
Huh, Total…???
http://www.google.com/cse?cx=013850339485084395743%3Aernse1bcnr0&ie=UTF-8&q=Palin&sa=Search&siteurl=www.redstate.com%2Fdhorowitz3%2F2011%2F05%2F04%2Fthe-palin-foreign-policy-doctrine%2F
That is a search of RS using “Palin”, and the bulk of the sample I opened were quite positive.
I support Palin, and I comment on HotAir when I feel like it.
Maybe it isn’t WHO you support? Maybe it is something else about you…???
I can’t comment on RS because for some reason I can’t log on there anymore but HA has gotten more negative toward Palin. AP is more free with his snarks about her and will post any negative bit he can find. It also seems like the bashing of Palin supporters goes on without any reaction.
I have noticed though that the anti-Palin posters may be finally starting to realize that they may be turning off the Palin supporters because we’re seeing a lot more pre-emptive whining about how Palin supporters aren’t going to be good party tools.
Huey said:
what Palin is “doing” as it relates to her entry (or non-entry) into the Presidential race is, unsurprisingly, exactly what she told us she was going to do many months ago. She is waiting to see who enters into the race and will enter if she is not satisfied that a sufficiently conservative (and potentially electable) candidate is running for the Republican nomination.
Bravo, I share your sentiments. The ‘pressuring Palin’ act is a passing scene, and will fade away.
Sarah Palin will wait until the last “controlling legal authority” (he he he, sorry Al Gore) tells her she must file. She owes it to the country to let others speak. Let others bask in the limelight. We already know what she can do. So, why the rush? Are pundits that starved for entertainment, or is it that the President is such a total disaster that folks intuitively know who actually should be out there? Psssst, go on facebook, she is there often.
So Palin is going to win over the moderates, the republicans, and some dems on her way to the coronation. This I have to see. I will consider voting for her, but she really needs to change course.
Elmo, “pud in hand”; you were in someone’s hand?
Palin has more integrity, more native foxy wisdom, and bigger balls than all the competition combined.
She’s well worth the wait.
Sarah Palin can tease me all she wants, as long as she wants. We have a candidate who can destroy crony capitalism and American Marxism. None of the others aspire to shake up DC and Wall Street, they’re same old, same old. And none come close to Palin proven ability to govern well. We saw Laura and Ann push for the phony debt deal and trash our reps who stood with integrity. They are yesterday’s news and fit right in with the confused Bill O.
I’ve been noticing this meme cropping up in more and more places lately: that Palin’s supporters are “rabid”, “cult-like”, “intolerant of any criticism”, and so on. It almost seems coordinated somehow.
And as I’ve said before, she can announce when she’s good and ready. I’m not in any rush.
After the hell the media put her and her family through, I wouldn’t blame her a bit if she turned her back on the whole thing and went back to Alaska to spend her remaining days whacking halibut. It’s her life. She doesn’t owe me a damn thing.
If that makes me “rabid”, well, so be it.
good post Dan. Didn’t know about Erick lying about that speech. What a putz EE is. Maybe if we pay him enough he will write a pro palin post?
I wonder how Erick feels knowing he is nothing but a cheap whore selling tricks for his masters in DC? How the hell can the man live with himself. He believes in nothing will sell his mother for a buck. why anyone would waste their time reading his garbage or his site is beyond me.
One thing I like about Palin she has the ability just be being on the stage to paint the wastes of life for who they are.