Ack! Rick Moran And I Agree On Bill Ayers Non-Admission
I saw this whole meme breaking of Bill Ayers allegedly admitting to having authored Obama's "Dreams of My Father". Come on, people – have more, or less, coffee and step away from the keyboards. I hate it when I have to agree with my buddy Rick Moran.
Assuming there is any serious analysis suggesting someone other than Obama penned Dreams, looking like a bunch of Kool-Aid inebriated Right Wing nut jobs over an obviously sarcastic comment by Ayers only undermines it. Did you use a pole vault to jump that shark? Heh!
What is perhaps even more bothersome than the wholesale acceptance of this theme by so many on the right is the embrace of the video linked in the AT blog post above by many who appear to have suspended critical analysis in lieu of wishful thinking. Ayers does indeed admit to writing Dreams but in such an obviously sarcastic manner that the question isn’t whether Ayers was serious but how in God’s name so many conservative bloggers failed to see the taunting sarcasm used in his “confession.”
Unclean! Unclean!
I agree that Ayers “admission” is sarcastic and it’s nonsense to get worked up about it.
HOWEVER, Jack Cashill has done a lot of serious work analysing the book and comparing it to Ayers’ writings. He makes a convincing case that Ayers indeed wrote the book.
We also know Obama didn’t write his second book either.
This admission sounded just like the one a while back that Ayers gave a blogger at Washington Reagan airport. The sarcasm giveaway was the line about how he would like to prove it so he could have a piece of the royalties.
Who’s Rick Moran?
Anyway … here’s a link (file under more shite ya cain’t make up):
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/former-press-sec-gibbs-could-land-new-job-at-facebook/
Wasn’t Rick Moran the guy in Ghostbusters?
I agree with WillieG. Simple induction argues against a guy who never published in an academic journal or did anything remarkable in his previous career quickly churning out a highly polished book like that.
Well…you could make a case that it was ‘ghost edited’
I get it it … ghost … ha ha! (You racist right wingers crack me up).
Truth be told … Khalid Sheikh Obama IS a ghost. A cipher. Is acting ONLY in the interests of the caliphate.
Fair to say, WE WILL NEVER SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, that Chucklehead mentions in his book (whichever one, and who ever wrote it).
Because it doesn’t exist.
OR WE WOULD HAVE SEEN IT BY NOW.
I took it as TRUTH in humor. ie: he has twice with a smirk said this but anyone who has read his trash and that pos book of Obama’s can see they are the same….he thinks he is being smart I think he should be hung for treason but I guess that boat sailed a long time ago.
Phil I don’t think they get the humor!
Cashill has put forth a very strong case that Obama had a ghostwriter and further that it was Ayers.
And now Ayers, twice publicly, has stated that he wrote it. Make of that what you will- the larger point is that it’s about time the question was put to Obama.
It should be obvious to anyone by now that Obama did not write either of his books. The man is a complete Affirmative Action empty suit. Instead of attacking Cashill, why not go after Obama on this. Consider it “asymetrical warfare”. Obama was elected in large part due to the myth that had been created about him. If Republicans want to defeat him in 2012, it’s necessary to deconstruct that myth and expose the fraud that’s been perpetrated. It’s a fatal mistake for the Right to think they can beat Obama on the issues alone. A spell has been cast on the American people, and for him to be unseated, the spell must be broken.
Cashill has done yeoman’s work and deserves nothing but praise. And it’s time people acknowledged that and carry it forward by putting the question to Obama.
Wow, Dan…
You are blessed to not know many really skillful, diabolical liars if you think Ayers little coda at the end was a “tell” that everything before was only sarcasm.
That is precisely the kind of lie that Ayers would couple to a truthful statement. This guy is an unrepentant terrorist who is also a “respected” tenured professor, and leading light of the education academy. He thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room…like Obama…and it does not matter which room.
No one has ever attempted to deflect the truth by admitting it, but in a sarcastic tone.
Nope. Not even once.
I saw it as ayers being nasty/clever, pretending to mock righties who believe this, but kind of admitting it and pointing out nobody can PROVE it. In any case, it is certainly not a direct admission, in spite of the fact that the students obviously believed it was, and declared themselves to be insiders by saying “we know you did!”.
So if I’m reading you all correctly, Bill Ayers is an unrepentant egomaniac who refuses to acknowledge outright that he wrote the best-selling book credited to man he’s soured on.
Nope, no logical disconnects there.
I’ll give you some credit Dan, much as I have called you stupid over the years, and much as you have proved it, you’re still smarter than some.
If, indeed, he has “soured” on Obama, he has not turned on the Collective.
He never will. He was prepared to kill millions of people…or just a few…in its name. He still is.
The Collective is not his enemy. America is his enemy, and he will go to his grave tricking it and trying to bring it down.
So…no, no logical disconnects at all.
Of course it was sarcastic.
But if you think it was not a canon shot over Obama’s bow, you are being naive. Ayers had some involvement in Obama’s book (I suspect a lot). And if he did, he has the notes and evidence to prove it. A threat is only good if you do not actually deliver the blow. That comment from Ayers was intended to rattle Obama.
Moran is so snide about the right wing when he boasts “I can be as hard and as tough on the left as anyone – and I have about 3,000 blog posts to prove it” that he neglects to mention that when push comes to shove, he often sounds like he’s either gone AWOL or over to his brother Terry’s side on the snake-charming left. He shut down his comments after one perhaps because the deluge was ten-one against his tergiversations.
I’ll give Cashill a lot more benefit of the doubt due to his close reading of “Dreams,” the fact that Obama is a known slacker & golf/b-ball layabout, and that BHO probably wrote NEITHER of the two “autobiographies” he had ghosted for him. Ayers might have written part of the Dreams book, but now is disillusioned with the wayward path of his former student in metaterrorism, a guy I knew at Ann Arbor when he was dating Diana Oughton, who blew herself up in a Greenwich Village townhouse preparing a bomb for a Fort Dix mixer. Ayers wrote the instructions on how to make that bomb and his monstrous ego has recently been dented by the UIC regents’ decision not to make him a “Professor Emeritus.”
Maybe he didn’t write any of “Dreams,” but when he calls the other book a “political hack job,” one can infer despite the sarcastic tone that the widely acclaimed “Dreams” was a literary job he participated in as the lead ghost if not virtual author. Obama is now under the gun for dishonesty in some other areas and maybe Ragspierre & Joe are right that he’s considering Obama now part of “Amerika” in his criminal mind and serving notice to the Indonesian Imbecile to clean up his act and come home to the Leftish “Workers’ Paradise,” aka Kim Jung-Il & Mugabe & Myanmar-style of dictatorial socialism where a Trotsky like Ayers might have a shot at killing more than his hapless girlfriend Diana Oughton.
Oops…! “Ayers might have written part of the Dreams book, but now is disillusioned with the wayward path of his former student in metaterrorism, [and Ayers was] a guy I knew at Ann Arbor when he was dating Diana Oughton, who blew herself up in a Greenwich Village townhouse preparing a bomb for a Fort Dix mixer.”
Obviously, I met Ayers and Oughton in Ann Arbor, not the future 44th POTUS…! Barry was going to an Islamic School in Jakarta while I was in U of Mich grad school.
Dan here thinks that by hewing the party line on Obama’s authorship of his literary “masterpiece” he somehow retains his place within the larger national conversation, which he otherwise would lose were he to come out and even question the authorship of who wrote that book.
It’s kind of sad actually.
I like too his call for “evidence.”
What additional evidence do you need, other than that provided by Cashill? An open admission? Do you really think that admission will be forthcoming anytime soon? Michelle admitted as much to Chris Anderson.
She said point blank that Ayers “helped,” and to be sure, he “helped” far more than Obama would like anyone to discern.
This continued agnosticism on this issue isn’t some species of political and literary sophistication. What it is in fact is intellectual cowardice, declining to follow where the evidence leads.
“That comment from Ayers was intended to rattle Obama.”
No…it was intended to rattle (easily) many of you, and reveal you to be – as Dan says – “a bunch of Kool-Aid inebriated Right Wing nut jobs”.
It’s all just birthers-lite.
Yeah, mikeNOsense, you can take Ayers at the literal meaning…or the perverse, sarcastic, cryptic meaning…of anything he says.
Depending on what you divine his meaningsssssssssssss to have been…
But only you Collectivists have that god-like power.
Is it the decoder ring…?
Who ever heard of a non-disclosure clause?
Not me. People don’t put such things in contracts for ghost writing. Nope. Not once.
“Depending on what you divine his meaningsssssssssssss to have been…”
Sure, Ragspierre…who knows what he really meant, right?
And I might have missed some coded eye blinks, secret society hand gestures, etc.
I think you should spend time thinking about all the possibilities…the endless possibilities.
And to think I watched the clip only one time to come away thinking what he said/meant was obvious.
Perhaps a slow-mo view.
Wait…has anyone played it backwards yet?!
“‘That comment from Ayers was intended to rattle Obama.’
No…it was intended to rattle (easily) many of you, and reveal you to be – as Dan says – “a bunch of Kool-Aid inebriated Right Wing nut jobs”.
It’s all just birthers-lite.
Posted by: itsMike2Cents | Tuesday, March 29, 2011 at 09:15 AM”
I guess we just have to disagree.
“And I might have missed some coded eye blinks, secret society hand gestures, etc.
I think you should spend time thinking about all the possibilities…the endless possibilities.”
Oh, YOU could go there.
I don’t have any need. I have the man’s recorded voice and image, and I have his history and his life’s work. I have my own reading of the Obamic cannon, which tells me that Barry Soetoro did not both (or perhaps either) of his “memoirs”.
I also have my own ability and experience, working with sometimes pathological liars, to discern what people mean and what they are doing.
As I say, you are free to trust Ayers at whichever conflicting versions of his word you wish. You are both good Collectivists, so I expect you to defend him in any event.
All I know is, I watched Cashill on CSPAN this past weekend and I’m fairly convinced. His evidence has to do matching phraseology with Ayer’s other works, and citations in the book that have a lot more to do with Ayers’ experiences and maritime background than anything ever experienced by Obama. Per Cashill, whatever else Ayers is, he’s a very talented writer with a particular style and experiences that match the writing in Dreams. Factors not demonstrated by Obama anywhere else. Other factors include the off hours work time required of Obama to write this at the time in quesstion. I’d say keep an open mind and give Cashill a serious listen or read before forming an informed opinion on this.
On Ayer’s statement, if you watch the clip, its not in response to a question. He positively goes out of his way to claim authorship. Now, yes, he then winks using the royalties line, but as a message to Obama, he’s pretty clearly saying- “watch it”.