To The GOP Leaders Trying To Stop Palin: November 2 Is Only The Beginning
There are a few problems with this Politico item talking about GOP leaders wanting to stop Sarah Palin. In the first place, the GOP leaders behind it aren't very good leaders. On top of that, too many people know precisely who they are. Furthermore, they really should be worrying more about the people who are extremely concerned with stopping them.
The scalp taking doesn't end on November 2. But they really don't understand that. They think they're simply seeing a surge thanks to Obama. If they genuinely understood the depth of anger focused more on them, than, say, specific support for Palin, they'd realize they won't really be on offense in the sense they believe they will be after election day.
It isn't simply about Palin. Taken as a whole, the people coming for this particular GOP establishment are less invested in protecting, or pushing, Sarah Palin, than they are determined to take them down. Palin supporters are only one brigade of a much larger army that has no intentions of standing down post-November.
Finally, they are foolishly entering into a two-front war without truly understanding their enemy. Obama and the Democrats will still be on the field, sure. And they may think they can pivot off of them to mitigate damage on the other front. But that stratgey isn't going to work. They are more likely to find themselves surrounded by enemies, with less power and influence than they think they have. So, go right on trying to stop Palin, boys. Focus on her. At least you'll have your eyes on something pretty when the knife gets pushed into your back. Heh!
Top Republicans in Washington and in the national GOP establishment say the 2010 campaign highlighted an urgent task that they will begin in earnest as soon as the elections are over: Stop Sarah Palin.
Interviews with advisers to the main 2012 presidential contenders and with other veteran Republican operatives make clear they see themselves on a common, if uncoordinated, mission of halting the momentum and credibility Palin gained with conservative activists by plunging so aggressively into this year’s midterm campaigns.
Dead nuts on target. Kids in college are already transitioning from ‘entitled’ to ‘serious’. This TEA thing, dismantling government by the lawyers, for the lawyers in the name of the people is not a fad. The demographics won’t allow it, there being to few payers for payees.
It’s surprising how much I’m beginning to like Palin.
These freaks don’t realize that 2012 isn’t about Palin, it’s about Obama. If the GOP can remain marginally more popular than the Democrats, and Obama’s ratings remain low, she’ll win. If Obama comes back, no Republican will win, and she may excite the base enough to help GOP candidates in Congress. The idea that a failed governor of Massachusetts–or a successful governor of Indiana who thinks the debt is a natural disaster rather than a Cloward-Piven strategy–can save the GOP through some magical Goldilocks just-right campaign is ridiculous. You don’t who campaigns by cleverness. You win them by willingness to rip your opponent’s balls off, stuff them down his throat, and make him say, “Thank you.” Palin is willing to do that. Her wimpy Republican rivals are willing to play Norm Coleman.
That should say, “You don’t win campaigns by cleverness.”
“and Obama’s ratings remain low, she’ll win. ”
Um, both Gallup and Rasmussen have Obama’s approval rating at 47%.
Palin’s approval rating is currently somewhere in the low 30s.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/67-of-registered-voters-say-sarah-palin-unqualified-to-be-president/
To see the way a GOP campaign SHOULD be run, take a look at the late Jesse Helms. He did not win landslides, but he won every time, because he gave his enemies no quarter and was not afraid of being called names. Some of his opponents were so politically castrated by his campaigns that their political careers were ruined. Note that Helms did not fit the image of an alpha-male leader type; he was fat, four-eyed, and sounded stupid when he talked. Yet both in elections and in government, he consistently won against better-looking and more charming men due to his willingness to kick the life out of his opponents.
Right, barfbrain, the American people will vote for four more years of Great Depression 2.0 because Sarah “judged” nightclub-hopping trash by not killing her baby. Because, of course, all American voters are freeloaders like you who don’t pay attention to stuff like the job market.
->Sarah Palin WILL BE IN Atlanta Nov. 9th, 2010. BE THERE !!!! http://www.seizetheday.com/Events/Atlanta.aspx Read all about it and tell as many as you can. Phillips Arena, Atlanta, Georgia. She will be among many other Great FOLKS.
GOD BLESS SARAH PALIN AND GOD BLESS AMERICA !
The sheer hubris of the DC Republican establishment is astounding. They will probably be giving each other kudos to each other after this coming ‘wave’ on Tuesday. They also underestimate the power that the freshmen ‘Tea Party’ candidates will wield. The tea party candidates will be the true winners.
Madame Defarge has to be my favorite literary villain. Sitting all quiet and alone in the corner of the main room of the Inn, minding her own business, knitting away. Little did anyone realize that she was knitting the names of everyone to go up on the block once the revolution comes.
“who don’t pay attention to stuff like the job market.”
Obama has enough support now to beat any Republican challenger, particularly Sarah Palin.
What happens between now and 2012 will be just as much the Republican Congress’ fault as his.
They may be right about Palin – I love her style and what she brings to the table, but she has some serious weak spots as THE standard bearer for turning rhetoric into policy in 2012. It’s a fair question for anyone to ask of any potential candidate, “Is this person actually electable, and if elected, can they be effective in advancing the cause of liberty?”
The tea party movement and the GOP establishment need each other – the numbers don’t work out otherwise. Both need to understand this, or we really are doomed to a two term Obama presidency. The GOP needs the infusion of energy and principle, but the TPM needs the political savvy and the organization, not to mention the ability to vet and train future candidates many years in advance. If Rove and company are serious about the CAUSE, though, they need to start working yesterday on recruiting good, principled, conservative candidates who can take Palin’s energy and principles and turn it all into policy.
If the cause of liberty has to go third party, the damage will have several more years to heap up before things can be turned around by that party – if it’s even possible by then.
barfo compare apples to apples the last gallup poll put palin’s f/u at 49/50 which btw is higher than Obama’s
Rasmuseen has more people agreeing with palin than Obama by 52% to 40%
Whose views are closer to your own? Palin/Obama
Overall: 52/40
Male: 55/37
Female: 48/43
White: 58/35
Black: 5/87
GOP: 84/9
DEM: 14/81
INDY: 59/27
Conservative: 80/12
Moderate: 28/61
Liberal: 14/85
Or these:
“…..76% of Republicans and 52% of unaffiliated voters now hold a favorable opinion of Palin.”
“…Unaffiliated voters by a 41% to 36% margin see Palin as good for the GOP.”
Who died and made you able to foretell the future? It must have been after your prediction that every single tea party candidate would lose. Rand Paul has stomped Jack Conway. No one but you ever thought Mike Lee could lose. Marco Rubio–do I need to in there? Sharron Angle and Ken Buck are both ahead. Not sure if Pat Toomey or Ron Johnson are considered Tea Party, but they will win as well. And, shockingly, even Joe Miller is now ahead per PPP by 7 points. Face it, barfbrain, a prognosticator you are not.
Mr. Riehl
I want to ask you a question about one point in your post. You said this: “The scalp taking doesn’t end on November 2. But they really don’t understand that. They think they’re simply seeing a surge thanks to Obama.” I think GOP establishment is consist of many smart people. I do not want to underestimate their intellect. But assuming your analysis is correct, I find it hard to believe that these smart people cannot see this obvious trend/picture. These people make a living analyzing these types of stuff. Also it’s not like these ideas are hidden somewhere. Conservatives talk about these all the time on blogs, Facebooks, Youtube, Fox, talk radio etc. You seem to understand their worldview well. So question I have is this: do you know why GOP establishment doesn’t get this? Or is it the case where they do understand it but decided to ignore it in hoping that ordinary conservatives will simply follow when there is 2012 nominee of their choice (e.g. a strategy they think will serve them best)?
Spicy,
seeing it and believing it is two different things. The GOp elites believe they can co-opt this movement. That the new freshmen will be corrupted in short order like the class of 1994 were. Their biggest fear is for a leader to emerge to keep everyone in line
I am enraged and engaged, baby. There’s no going back for me. I want FREEDOM.
I will die before I allow those elitist RINO bastards to try to dictate who I can vote for, and what rights I get to retain.
The GOP Leadership is now the next enemy to defeat. They have scorned us and attempted to thwart the Tea Party Patriots for the last time. Since they have thrown down the gauntlet, we will now bleed them of money and moral support.
I can see why the GOP leaders trying to stop Palin to run in 2012. The RINO’s are the real problem. The RINO’s are hurting the conservatives and the Republican Party. I don’t think Palin will not get the nominee of the Republican Party. They wanted someone like Mitt Romney. The GOP leaders in both US House and US Senate need to be replace in 2011. Palin has been in news and discuss about the news bias in Alaska this weekend. They said that Murkowski is still leading on the top from the Alaska polls; not the polls down here. Miller is a lot worse than Murkowski. I don’t think the voters in both parties are not satisfied with candidates and their character for this election. Not all the Tea Party are going to win tomorrow night. I am pulling for Sharron Angle of Nevada to beat Sen. Harry Reid.
Nov. 2 is a start. The purge will continue the rest of our lives. Lets rid ourselves of all rino elitist scum.
I was going to say, shhh, don’t let the cat out of the bag. But you’re right, they don’t get it. I can see November 2012 from my house =)
The GOP Elite is upset with the Obama Democrats for one reason: Obama is taking THEIR rightful place at the buffet table filled with swag, earmarks and corrupt kickbacks from K Street.
The Establishment wants the God-Given Right to set up their Protection Racket again the way they had it going before 2006, when they got their asses kicked by Pelosi and Rahm. Since 2006, the Democrats have had THEIR Protection Racket in place: why do you think B of A, Wachovia, GM, et al, have made nice, juicy, substantial contributions to Obama For America and the Democratic Party, as well as to influential Democratic Committee Chairs and the DNC?
This is all about who gets to run the rackets, people. Palin knows this. They KNOW that Palin knows this. First one to break up the rackets, wins!
Well, they really ought to know better but they don’t. We (meaning the grassroots) just got done eviscerating the country club elitist RINO’s. When we stand behind Sarah, they will all look like the snobby Biff’s and Buffy’s that they are. It’s going to be very fun to expose what they are to ordinary people.
I have to keep reminding myself we do not have a free press and the press, in general, operates as an arm of the very liberal dem party. Mischief is all that is left to them right now.
“do you know why GOP establishment doesn’t get this?”
You can explain it several ways – echo chamber, group think, conventional wisdom inside DC. They assume voter anger will subside, that DC back room deal-making will get them by, cutting compromises no one really likes to kicks cans down the road, etc. I don’t think many of them internalize what is going on. They see it but accept and embrace the thinking and rationalizations of others just like them.
Look at Crist, Bennet in UT, Murkowski, Castle – these were all untouchable in the DC GOP’s world view. But they got touched, in fact, they got beat up. Dede Scozzafava, I could go on. Where were all these smarts you cite then? Didn’t help them too much imo. In fact, their thinking only continued to make things worse for them.
A key thing that we can’t forget is to keep publically punishing them once they are out of power. For way to long we have let these people (Rhinos and Dems) get by with to much and then not pay anything for it, instead if they do get put out of office they go to some cushy job inside the beltway and they still get a seat at the table. We need to end that. We need to hound people like Harry Ried and Lisa M. even after they are out of Government and we need to do so publically and brutally as an object lesson to all politicians.
The next generation of politicians need to be shaking in their shoes about what could happen to them personally if they screw over the American people and try and pull the kind of crap far to many of our political class seems to think they can pull.
A more extended fisking of this steamer here:
http://theothermccain.com/2010/11/01/lets-outsource-the-choosing-of-conservative-leaders-to-say-politico/
Oh, they have power. They understand that. They are basically banking that their ability to hold onto major donors in local communities will outlast whatever disorganized discontent exists.
And it very well could.
“why GOP establishment doesn’t get this?”
Self-interested tunnel vision, e.g., Rove’s Der Spiegel interview.
“The purge will continue the rest of our lives.”
I would say the 65-70% of Americans who consistently say, in poll after poll, that Palin is unfit for higher office will stop Palin.
I remember at about this point in his term (okay, a few months later), George H. W. Bush had approval ratings just slightly lower than God. I also remember that two years after that, Poppy was watching Bill Clinton get sworn in. Anybody who thinks Teh Won’s 47% is safe against anybody between now and 2012 (especially considering he started out with ratings slightly lower than God) is kidding himself.
Really, fellas, if you want to stop her, step up your game. Get the candidates you’re advising to step up their game and beat her straight up. If you can. If you’re looking for some way to sandbag her without getting caught and doing severe damage to yourselves or your candidates, don’t bother. There isn’t one.
Dan, I was hoping you would answer SpicyColdNoodle. His question seemed sincere to me as well. Your answer is thorough.
If it does come to a “third party,” here are suggestions:
First, it would not be a third but a second party. Currently, D&R are faces, Janus-like, of one and the same party (sure you recall what George Wallace called the difference between them, 32 years ago). So as perhaps comparable with the Whig/Democrat combine of an earlier era, a sound alternative, a actual second party, is required by circumstances (in that case, it was and it was called The Republicans Party). Time and will will tell.
Second, call it The American Party, or perhaps better, The American Party of The United States of America, so that there can be also an American Party of Canada, one of Mexico, etc. It could and perhaps should be an international competitor of The Communist Party and its numerous aliases as well as the Mohammedan Party, their so-called Ummah. European and other nations, who exhibit “tea party” urgings, and for the same reason (to have an actual second party), could have The American Party of Germany, of France, etc. Thus, acronyms such as TAP USA, TAP CA, TAP MX, TAP DE, TAP FR, TAP UK, TAP IT, etc. How about TAP Iraq, and better still, TAP Afghanistan? Just letting the thoughts surge, obviously.
Third, let it recognize three principles:
1- Constitutional Government
2- Secure Perimeter
3- Human Values
If a modern “federalist papers” debate is to occur, and it should, let it exegete and concretize the contents of these principles. A principle is that which has power to originate something, to make exist that which does not yet.
Happy All Saints Day!
Correction on Wallace: 42 years ago.
Well lets consider experience.
House: Who was the last to vault via election to the WH? Anyone. Forget Pence, Bachmann, VP material. Newt, dog food.
Senate: Last, Oh yeah, well before that, Kennedy. No offense but coronations are out of vogue, see Last. Lawyers period need not apply.
Governors: Christie, Daniels, Pawlenty, Jindahl, Barbour, Palin, Huckabee, Walker(WI 2010), Romney. Something will bubble up.
Christie and Daniels have two of the nations worst Pension shortfalls brewing.
Barbour is a little old and too loyal to GOP. Pawlenty, Romney and Huckabee are mildly likable until you see them the second time. The first two could make it past NH and get rolling but,…
I remember, Palin saying right after her resignation, “…politically speaking, if I die, I die. So be it.” She truly has a great amount of courage, and her family does as well.
The GOP establishment facing a two front war is a very pertinent metaphor. The Tea Party army cannot be defeated by the political class because its continued vitality is not dependent on any one person, Palin or otherwise. It is asymmetric political warfare against those who would use their positions in government to rule over rather than represent us. To crib from a movie, all the legacy media combined has tried to strike us down, and we have risen up stronger than they have ever imagined.
Here is the goal for the GOP: cut federal spending to 2007 levels. Obama cannot propose legislation, and neither can he amend it before signing. It is all within the power of Congress. Step up to it GOP, or step down.
While I completely agree that the GOP establishment is misreading the resolve of the Tea Party movement, Palin is still vulnerable because she endorsed McCain. They CAN kill her presidential ambitions if she doesn’t make it clear whose side she is on. Her negatives are still very, very high and the establishment RINOs see her as the achilles heel of the Tea Party. The next move will be Palin’s. She needs to convince conservatives like me, and there are a lot of us, that she really is on our side and is in it for the long run. There is no denying that she made a big mistake endorsing McCain and she needs to undo that mistake ASAP.
On the other hand, having Tancredo now joining Rubio (and maybe Angle and Miller) is going to greatly complicate the battlefield for the corrupt establishment RINOs and make it easier for Palin to move forward, if she chooses to. It’s her move.
don said:
“I would say the 65-70% of Americans who consistently say, in poll after poll, that Palin is unfit for higher office will stop Palin.”
Normally I would agree except that with Palin, those negatives are based on her being trashed with lies by the entire establishment, including Republicans, from the very start when no one had never even heard of her. Those negatives can be greatly reduced but she needs to do something really extraordinary, like distance herself from McCain.
I will go out on a limb to predict that Romney will be the first to attack her. McCain hates Romney so you would expect him to defend his “friend” Sarah wouldn’t you? Don’t bet on it. I expect McCain to be clearing a path for Pawlenty, his 3rd pick for VP behind Lieberman and Crist. That is why the next move will be Palin’s.
If it turns out the Huckabee attacks her first, unlikely because he is more of a vulture than a hunter, McCain has a bone to pick with him too for sticking around far too long in 2008 after he had served his purpose of blocking Romney. Too much baggage so McCain is back to T-Paw and Palin is still the biggest obstacle.
Maybe some people like Jennifer are right that Palin is a political genius. But she will have to show it soon. It would be suicidal for her to try to run the middle between the Tea Party Demint/Tancredo/Pence/Ryan team and the establishment RINOs. If that was her strategy when she endorsed McCain, epic fail. I want her on our side but she is suspect because of that choice. We’ll see.
These tools are so going to be OUT OF WORK when WE The People get through with them. 2010 was just the appetizer, dinner is 2012 and dessert is 2014 and by then that House and Senate will reflect the Center RIGHT Country we are!
I think the early 2012 theatre frontstage action will be Dims, they’ve more ground to cover.
The crowded field for Republicans and open, mano a mano combat in the MacBeth’s longhouse portend interesting Nomination Conventions.
I’m feeling a Hill vs. ‘Cuda cagematch and don’t see any upside for the Buen
Feo sex.
Pasadena Phil puts me in mind of an old saying: “Politics is many tics.’
Speaking of scalps. These first:
Liberal Arts Faculties
Koranic Scholars
Parochial Clergy
Imams
Kinetic Actors
Madrassahs
Those are the bad actors’ source and supply lines. Pinch them off those six by depatronizing and defunding them and by prosecuting/suing (e,g,, RICO) them in every way possible. Then chew. Politicians and financiers are tools of those six sources and supply lines. Apply effort there, take their scalps.
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Another answer to Spicy.
The RINOs rule by intimidation, and they are actually fairly fragile in power (hard to dig out tho’ because each one wants to keep his personal place at the six-meat buffet). In other words, the RINOs have to be unblinking. Its their strategy.
Like the Governator back in his bodybuilding days, he would go around to the other weightlifters before the competition and say ‘i am Ahnold, you cannot beat me.’ Just a mind game.