Greg Gutfeld and the Grave Robbers of Ground Zero
We're glad Rebecca Grunewald, who twitters as Duchess Rebecca, set her DVR to record Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld in the wee hours this morning. It's going to be a keeper! During his Post-Game Wrap-up Andy Levy picked her inspired "Ba'ath House" as the best of the twitter in yesterday's #gutfeldgaybarnames wordplay. For the funnyman's proposed gay bar in the shadow of Cordoba House, aka Ground Zero mosque, we're suggesting tastefully atmospheric interiors along the lines of Hammam años Árabes en Córdoba, above and below.
By Sissy Willis of sisu
"I, personally, think it's a brilliant idea. I absolutely abhor all of this anti-mosque nonsense currently going on in this country," sniffs cocksure Mediaite columnist Jon Bershad, utterly missing the larger point of Greg Gutfeld's proposal to build "the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men" next to the mosque Park51 near Ground Zero. Even as he praises the Red Eye ringmaster's wit, Bershad struts about, dissing us low-lifes who beg to differ with him on the appropriateness of constructing a towering Islamic center-cum-mosque on sacred ground that was desecrated by avowed adherents of Islam:
It’s disgusting bigotry plain and simple. However, just because I
support Muslim Americans in their fight against anti-Islam prejudice,
doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get a few dings for their religion’s own
prejudice against homosexuals. If you want to be treated fairly, you
should treat others fairly as well. Still though, the only thing that
would make this plan perfect would be if Gutfeld created a chain of gay
bars and plopped them down next to churches and synagogues since it’s
not like those religions have been super open-minded.
"And also, it's a fear of debate, " Greg Gutfeld gutted opponents' playing of the tattered "race card": "Rather than argue against my
point that it's simply obnoxious to build the mosque, they'd rather
belch 'race!' It's a reflex."
The siren song of political correctness beckons Mediaite's Bershad onto the shoals of moral equivalence and irrelevance. He should read the DC Examiner's editorial on the horrors of Sharia law, as most recently and obscenely exemplified in the story of Aisha, that Afghani girl we blogged about the other day, whose nose and ears were sliced off for "shaming" her arranged husband's parents by running away from their cruelty:
Such
barbarities remind us that no place must be given for moral equivalence
on these issues. If our civil law doesn't permit Mormon polygamy,
Fundamentalist snake handling or Christian Scientist denial of medical
care for children, even less can it tolerate Muslim mutilation and
murder of women. Those who can't — or won't — see the difference between a murderous intolerance and the intolerance of murder should be pitied and ignored.
One more must-read for Bershad and others who share his distaste for "all of this anti-mosque nonsense," Robert VerBruggen at NRO, who quotes from "yet another interview in which Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the leading figure behind the Cordoba House (the “Ground Zero mosque”), explains away terrorism":
"They feel the need to conflagrate," he says of Muslims who feel they've been "humiliated" and ignored."The interview was conducted for a
Malaysia Matters podcast during the 2008 presidential campaign. (The
Cordoba Initiative website references the podcast, but the provided link
is dead.) While Rauf repeatedly positions himself as someone “trying to
bridge the divide” between the West and the Muslim world, he also
offers comments regarding the West’s culpability for terror against it …When asked whether the U.S. bears
“ultimate responsibility” for “any reactions,” Rauf responds, “I
wouldn’t say ultimate. It’s the one who leads in the dance” …Also: “In order to bridge the
divide, we have to understand the dynamics, that there’s a certain —
there’s a psychology … If you do this, you get this reaction” …As argued on NRO and elsewhere,
there is nothing the government can or should do to disrupt the
construction or operation of the Cordoba House. But as the project’s
supporters press on in the face of overwhelming public outcry, and as
Rauf’s beliefs come increasingly into the light, arguments that the
community center and mosque are meant as anything but a finger in the
eye of America become less believable.
Fortunately, the blogosphere and Twitter are alive with mockery, top tactic in Glenn Reynolds's list
of ways to thwart the "good intentions" of "America's Ruling Class," in
this case elitists like Bershad, Mayor Bloomberg & Company who
would accuse us of bigotry for fighting back against the grave robbers of Ground Zero. Not to mention those crusading — yes, that word! — frontline warriors like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, who are leading the charge in the war of words to defeat creeping Sharia.
This
just in on Twitter from David Burge of Iowahawkblog:
#Gutfeldgaybarnames TGIFriday Prayers
Crossposted at sisu and Liberty Pundits.
Hey if you let the men in wearing Burka’s then non of their violent fellow practicioners will know who they are, you could even have a live like a woman day where they can pay other men to beat them! This sounds so fun I could go gay just to watch.
“the only thing that would make this plan perfect would be if Gutfeld created a chain of gay bars and plopped them down next to churches and synagogues since it’s not like those religions have been super open-minded.”
Reminds me of the last conversation I had about five years ago with longtime best friend in NYC theater. I asked him the question “what does same-sex union between opposite sex mean?” and he responds with “ya know, I’m beginning to think you’re a homophobe”.
Of course I was thoroughly insulted, said a few choice words to THE GAY ending with ‘listen, my friend you ever find yourself locked away in a gulag meant for gay, I will be the first crash the gates to get you out”
Never heard from him again and I am thankful for this; I know now THE GAY would never crash the gates for me.
If you build it,, we will cum!
I’ll be the first one they let in!
Not much to say here…it’s like a satirical Colbert skit come to life.
Right wing likes the idea of a gay bar. Hmm. Maybe some will even be willing, only out of love for their country of course, to have gay sex around Muslims.
Maybe they will even have to get married to someone of the same sex!
Oh you brave hypocri…er patriots.
In the “you can’t make this up” category…
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/10/ground-zero-mosque-spokesman-to-gutfeld-your-gay-bar-wont-build-dialogue-because-it-doesnt-consider-our-sensibilities/
They just don’t get it…
Ragspierre,
Did you miss the part in his comment where he offered ‘You’re free to open whatever you like.’ or is that part just not convenient to your argument?
I’m sure hypothetical people will be offended by this hypothetical gay bar. But you want to stop the building of the center. You support infringing their right to build and he is saying ‘You’re free to open whatever you like.’.
Guess which sentiment is more reflective of true American values?
Islam is not a race. It’s a mental defect.
mikey, mikey, mikey…
You’re such a mental and moral lightweight, you can’t deal with my actual…you know…WRITTEN statements.
Sure, this Islamist thug (and he is that, BTW) has property rights. I’m not saying differently.
In the U.S. he has free speech rights…which he uses to effect his Sharia goals. I’m not saying differently.
It’s mighty “white” (i.e., “tolerant”) of him to allow as how Gutfeld has ANY rights, doncha think? How long, were he to have his Sharia way, would that be true? I mean, honestly…?
But, dude, you missed the “irony thing”. I know, that’s hard for Collectivists. See, it was the part what the Imam was talking about Gutfeld not being sensitive…
Oooopsssie, I forgot who I was dealing with.
Never mind….
Whoa…
Turns out the Cordoba House guys DO NOT really own the property after all. Seems they were…you know…LYING about their position. Wow, when did Islamists EVER do anything like THAT…!?!?!
Anyhow, they’d have to import a lot of mikeNOsense types to do the actual work…which is a contradiction in terms, sort of. (Actual American construction workers indicate they’d boycott the project…which they have a perfect right to do, BTW.)
Ragspierre,
Ahhh…so you do support their right to build. What do you object to then…their offending some people? Yet you are gleeful about gay bar causing offense…
You are, again, a hypocrite.
or as you would write…HYPOCRITE.
Gawd, what a lying dummy…!
No. I RECOGNIZE rights of property and expression.
I object to their little end-zone dance 600′ from the graves of people whose remains are still…today…being discovered.
IF…IFFFFFF…their purpose was “cultural understanding”, that purpose would OBVIOUSLY be served better elsewhere.
Which, by now, EVEN THEY certainly understand.
I am A-FREAKING-MAZED that they have the unmitigated HATE and TEMERITY to point to Gutfeld as being “insensitive”, you PUKE.
This leaves their REAL purpose NAKEDLY exposed. And you are the hypocrite.
Other than that, your post was well reasoned and written…
Always fun!
Dare my 2penny cracker be!!! Where’s you been be-otch????? You tell ‘em good 2penny, you tells ‘em real good cracker boy!!!
Ragspierre,
Yes, you object. You object you object you object.
But your objecting, your taking offense, your being annoyed, frustrated, mad, grossed out…whatever…is not cause.
So, where does this leave all this?
You won’t offer up – despite being asked several times – where exactly this Mosque/center can be and not be offensive to you.
And what will you say to those who will spew the same rage as you about it even if they put it the Catskills? Now we get to read about a Mosque being built in TN that some feel is ‘too big’.
You do seem to grasp on some level that they have ‘rights’ – and in reality anyone who thinks of themselves as a true conservative would not be taking the position you take.
But I guess it unclear where you stand – maybe even to you.
But for the most part – your written word – suggests you just running with the mob, screaming, and flailing a torch about.
As far as this guy’s gay bar modest proposal, I actually thought he was making a fair point.
But you and others who take glee in this idea are embracing an fully expressed motive to cause offense and trying to equate it with what you suggest is a secret and ulterior motive.
False parallels seem to be your forte’.
But, won’t you please tell me…everyone…what would be a non-offensive distance from GZ for them to build…please?
Woooooooo-hooooooooooo,, dat’s it 2penny cracker,, you tell’s ‘em cracker boy,, you tells ‘em real good!!!! I jus loves it when a cracker be takin’ up my side an sh*t. I jus don’t like no cracker tho, not one iota do I likes ’bout no cracker,, not one!
“But, won’t you please tell me…everyone…what would be a non-offensive distance from GZ for them to build…please?”
Stupid question as a coda to a typically stupid, lying comment.
As I’ve answered on several occasions, the people to ask are those most directly effected, who you do not give a rats asp about, you self-satisfied puke. Those like the families of the people whose remains are still being found about 600′ from the proposed site…today.
Another good interest to which you should pose that question is the Islamists who SAY they want to build bridges, rather than provoke. If that were my goal, it certainly would be something I would have studied. How about you?
But we know that is NOT their goal. We know that empirically, because some of us listen to them, and watch what they do.
Ragspierre,
First, you have serious potty mouth.
Keep a napkin handy to wipe the spittle.
Second, you coward.
Ask ‘the families’? Your argument falls to pieces so you hide behind them?
You are right to be afraid to answer that question – as you will not find consensus and will be called names by people like you who think your radius doesn’t meet their non-offensive distance.
(I mean, not to help you – but you could say ‘On the moon!!’ or ‘In the middle of nowhere!!!’ or
‘In hell!!!!!’)
Your are typical of those who confuse emotion with reason, vengeance with justice, Muslims with terrorists, and of course ad hominem with argument/debate.
So now you are a cowardly hypocrite.
That is super lame.
Um…at the corner of your mouth, there…there’s some , uh…ok, yep – you got it.
“Your are typical of those who confuse emotion with reason, vengeance with justice, Muslims with terrorists, and of course ad hominem with argument/debate.”
Project much, there mikey?
I’m not the least confused about Muslims and Islamists. See, I recognize an important distinction. You refuse to. The Imam behind the Cordoba house is an Islamist. He has told us that.
I understand…because I deal in reality…that we are in an existential war with a cult of death that cannot tolerate our existence. You deny that reality.
I recognize our pluralistic society…which tolerates mosques all over New York City…is exceptional. You hate it for its exceptionalism, and try vigorously to destroy it.
I’m not “hiding behind the families”. I am considering them. See a difference there?
“Another good interest to which you should pose that question is the Islamists who SAY they want to build bridges, rather than provoke. If that were my goal, it certainly would be something I would have studied. How about you?
But we know that is NOT their goal. We know that empirically, because some of us listen to them, and watch what they do.”
Those are both arguments, stupid. Deal with them.
Ragspierre,
I posed the question to you…you will not answer it.
And in that, you answer much and help to prove my point.
And here’s something else to offend (your sensibilities) -
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-10-2010/municipal-land-use-hearing-update
Pitch perfect.
“Ragspierre,
I posed the question to you…you will not answer it.
And in that, you answer much and help to prove my point.”
And anyone who can read knows that is a lie, and you’re a liar.
But we’ve established that before, haven’t we…????
“And anyone who can read knows that is a lie, and you’re a liar.”
Huh?
If I missed you answering (and not deflecting), could you repeat your answer?
Thanks.
I take a much simpler view of this:
Islam is not a religion, but an enemy ideology. Much like communism is still today, and was to our fathers and grandfathers in the 20th century.
Islam is a threat to our national security; Muslims should not be permitted to build any new structures in the United States, and those who refuse to recant their misguided faith and swear or affirm an oath of loyalty to our Constitution and to the Republic should be swiftly denaturalized and deported back to the whichever desolate Islamic nation of their choice.
Islamists in government should be relieved of duty and position, including the likes of Keith Ellison and that other Islamic congressman.
There can be no compromise with a evil, heathen, destructive, devil-owned Mesopotamian moon-god cult that delights in shedding the blood of others with a caprice to matched by any of history’s genocides.
Seekeronos,
In many ways you are a breath of fresh air in this debate.
Your intolerance and fundamentalism is so pure, and expressed with such clarity, that you do not need to fuss about with having to explain yourself and make rational or sane arguments.
Essentially, you advocate for a Christian Taliban (I assume you make no room for any other ‘false’ religions).
Indeed, a much simpler view.
So, Ragspierre -
Are you on board with Seekeronos?
He’s on your side of this debate…right?
Or might you be capable of spewing some of the same bile at him that you do at Islamic fundamentalists?
“Or might you be capable of spewing some of the same bile at him that you do at Islamic fundamentalists?”
Put up some quotes supporting that, liar.
“Islamists in government should be relieved of duty and position.”
I support that. It would have saved fourteen innocent people at Ft. Hood. Note the term “Islamists”. Do you disagree?
Beyond that, I no more support Seekeronos’ extremism than I do yours.
“Essentially, you advocate for a Christian Taliban (I assume you make no room for any other ‘false’ religions).”
What an amazing admission of bigotry!!!!
Where did you find the word “Christian” in the post?
Ragspierre -
Seekeronos posts regularly – so I was making an informed assumption/critique.
And stop shouting, will ya?
“— I assume you make no room for any other ‘false’ religions —”
Biblical Christianity, would be perfect… but since Christ does not force us to follow him – I have no problems with Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Catholics, Jews, Rosicrucians, Mormons, Sikhs, Hindus, Shintoists, or even those silly people with the meters Tom Cruise is always making such a spectacle of himself about.
And many more besides that. All of these faiths seek their own (little “g”) god in a fashion that does not endanger me or mine, nor do they seek to convert me and mine by the sword to their faiths.
Nor do they seek to overthrow our constitutional republic, and our largely Anglo-Saxon derived Western European culture with a failed, violent, tribalist culture that has seen its last heights some 1,000 years ago.
One religion seeks to do all of this evil against our nation and our way of life… and more beside that.
Islam…. wants to enslave our women, butcher our little boys and girls in the advancement of its evil, slaughter Jews and behead Christians and anyone one else who refuses to submit to Islam.
Nope. The Cult of Mo’… needs to Go.
Seek -
Fair enough, and I am relieved to hear you don’t demand perfection.
But I do not agree with or accept your wholesale inclusion of all who practice Islam with those fanatics and psychopaths who proclaim it as a defense of criminal acts.
If only it were true that one faith alone could be twisted into a rationale for murder and mayhem.
thing is.. very very few Muslims are truly outspoken in their opposition to the extremism of many of their brothers… and even less call for any systemic reformation of their faith.
There is no Muslim Martin Luther who has nailed his 95 fatwas to the door of any noteworthy mosque either here or in Mecca that I can think of…
…and even if he did, he likely would not live long to achieve any notice for his actions apart from being beheaded.
“If only it were true that one faith alone could be twisted into a rationale for murder and mayhem.”
In the modern era, there are only two; Collectivism and Islam.
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