LA Times: Nashville Cheers Birther Farah’s Dinner Speech
Well, it's not hard to guess what the first media question to Palin will be, assuming the press gets near her. Smart. Real. Smart. During dinner, no less, how special is that? Some fricking morons just have to give the media precisely what they want, I guess. As if no one saw this one coming.
If the National Tea Party Convention hoped to keep its focus on political organizing and its message on limited government, it has had little success so far.
Capping the first full day of the meeting, right-wing instigator Joseph Farah spent much of his dinner speech questioning whether President Obama was born in Hawaii and casting doubt on whether the president was legitimately elected.
“The media, the politicians … all say, no, it’s all been settled. I say, if it’s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple,” Farah’s said, as his remarks were cheered by the roughly 600 activists gathered in Nashville for the event.
I’ve never really understood why there’s any stigma attached to a desire to see Obama’s birth certificate.
What we’ve been provided with is a compilation of data and is one which is incomplete.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html
In Hawaii, at the time of Obama’s birth, there were four ways to report a birth, only one of which required the statement of a doctor or mid-wife. Each of the others allow for the bald statement (even long after the fact) of the circumstances of the birth.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105371
A casual viewing of the provided birth certificate reveals that there is no way to determine, by looking at it, just which of the four potential methods was the one used. However, the lack of the identification of a doctor or mid-wife could lead one to conclude that the method of proving his birth was one of the “other three.”
It would seem that the original records (not the print-out provided by the state) would record just which of the four legal methods were used, who reported the birth, how it was reported, and when — all of which are information which could be used to determine the truth of the time and whereabouts of the birth.
Further, since the state doesn’t ordinarily discard such evidence (i.e., the proof that the birth was properly recorded in accordance with law), then, those original records almost surely exist. The failure to allow their release (or have their release ordered by suit) could certainly be construed as the act of someone with something to hide, else why not have them released?
This is a logical and rational train of thought. While I don’t think that it matters one whit, as, even in the event that Obama wasn’t born here, that would be unlikely to be grounds to have him removed through impeachment, and, frankly, it isn’t something which we should, as Americans, pursue.
What does it get us?
Biden?
Yea!
But, regardless, the comparison of “birthers” to “truthers” is off-base. Anyone who believes that Bush knew about (or orchestrated) 9-11 prior to it occurring is insane. The very level of secrecy which would be required to maintain this kind of secret is beyond belief. The same people who think that Bush was a moron think that he’s some “Mr. Evil” mastermind when it comes to this one thing. I mean, come on…it’s impossible to keep a BJ in the oval office quiet and there were only two people involved in that evolution…
Nevertheless, around 35% of Democrats believe that Bush either knew about or caused 9-11. Another 30% or so aren’t sure. Only around 35% don’t believe it.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/08/04/flashback-35-democrats-think-bush-knew-9-11-attacks-advance
Sigh, gotta love the lame stream media…
It’s just not smart public relations or good tactics in the larger battle against what the TeaParty movement is fighting against. Namely, the growing Statist threat and creeping Socialism represented by Big Gov types in both parties. Dumb to let Farah anywhere near a mic at this convention. I’m with you on this, Dan. Not good
I agree. It is not only something which has no possibility of bearing any fruit, but it is a gift which keeps on giving to your opponents.
Foolish.
This was being pushed by WND and it was no surprise that this was coming. WND put both Farah’s and Palin’s name together as headliners to the event.
The big fuss about Keene, the Birchers being with CPAC; ???? Farah’s speech is killing a bunch of crickets..
It will work out in the end; more people will question if Obama really did live in Indonesia.
Dan,
for someone who thinks they understand the Tea party better than most you need to get out more. The BC issue in the heartland is a big big deal. Most people will tell you they don’t think Obama is a citizen. while it is not talked about in the MSM and in DC it is talked about in the heartland a great deal esp in the 50-65 age group. they dont trust Obama and one reason is because he refuses to bring the documents forward.
I am not endorseing this thought i am just saying in the heartland the issue is a very big deal. this isn’t like the truther nonsense. when a small minority of the dem party thought this way. this encompasses a large majority of gop and center dmes.
People better get ready cos the will be more bad headlines in the near future. I can already see the pictures of the John Birch society at CPAC and any other birther crap that goes down there. Not to mention Glenn “Obama is a racist” Beck’s keynote address. Its going to a tough few months. So please no more of circular firing squad.
Obama spends about a million dollars to hide something he says he has. He also hides ALL records from his schools. Why? Is this a game he’s playing or is he hiding something?
By the way it was, I believe, a Democrat named Philip Berg who really got this going. If Obama is a citizen, O’Reilly swears he’s proven it, then why the mystery and wasting of money?
Is it true Obama had multiple SSN’s? Is it true he went to Pohkeestan when Americans weren’t supposed to? Who paid for his schooling? Rashid Khalidi? These are rumors and I don’t know if true or not.
Look I personally don’t care about this whole birther issue. They have some legit claims and furthermore it gets in Obama’s head. Oh, Obama is a racist. If Jeremiah Wright doesn’t give you that vibe I don’t know what will.
Dan, how is it the left and the right completely ignored a statement Rush made the other day about Obama and Vegas. Rush said “The Koran forbids gambling, just sayin’.” He said it twice.
I find it odd no one jumped on that. We should concentrate more on who Obama is not where he was born. Is he a Progressive? Islamist? Both?
Dear Birthers or anyone who has their ear:
Please get it through your heads — Every time you raise this issue, I’m afraid regardless of whatever legitimacy it may have, you are helping progressives and hurting conservatives. Please stop beating yourselves and us over the head with a stupid bat.
The BC issue in the heartland is a big big deal. Most people will tell you they don’t think Obama is a citizen. while it is not talked about in the MSM and in DC it is talked about in the heartland a great deal esp in the 50-65 age group.
Very True. MSM’s silence IS the real reason for it.
Tancredo and now Farrah? Oh jeez. (facepalm)
If it was the intention of Tea Party Nation to try to discredit the entire Tea Party Movement as the nutty paranoid fringe they couldn’t have hoped for a better lineup.
Now the establishment press is free to paint all Tea Partiers birthers & xenophobes, because some clueless guy in Nashville decided unilaterally to hijack the entire movement with these deliberately divisive issues, sabotage ALL Tea Partiers’ hard-won good PR, & make the growth of the movement come to a screeching halt.
Most of the Tea Partiers I know will want no further association with the movement if this sidebar cr@% is what it’s really all about, rather than the principled mass protest out of which it originally grew: i.e., united opposition to the leftists’ tax & spend & tax again agenda to bankrupt this nation and make the next generation indentured slaves to their government.
This ‘national’ convention has Axelrod’s divide & conquer fingerprints all over it even if he didn’t put ‘em there. As Huey said above, it’s a gift that’ll keep on giving to the opposition. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
The idea that Obama has to release his birth certificate in some original format or he should be suspected of hiding something turns the standard on its head…I’ve read that it may be that his religion is listed on the BC as “muslim” and this is why the original hasn’t been release but I think more than enough documentation has been released to prove he was born in Hawaii.
I’m surprised to hear that this issue is a ‘big deal’ anywhere.
The MSM will tag the tea party with this from now on, you will always seen in the first paragraph that many of them believe Obama was born in Kenya, very destructive and off message.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Plouffe and Axelrod were funding some of this Birther crap to make the Republican Party look bad.
Joseph Farah is a graverobber and an opportunist. Anyone who subscribes to WorldNut deserves what they get. Palin would do well to give her stemwinder and take no questions, now that Joe Farah has laid this steaming effing turd in the middle of the convention hall.
Thanks, Joe!
For nothing!
As usual, you missed the really interesting part of the speech, how he described how Alinsky methods
led to the NY budget crisis and ACORN, the product of Wylie’s disciple, Rathke, who in turn trained
Obama.
Anon: The Presidency has only a few requirements, one of which is that he be a “natural born citizen.” The requirements for being a “natural born citizen” are pretty cut and dried. It would seem that asking that a candidate prove that he meets these requirements is asking little. No one is asking him to prove a negative, i.e., that he isn’t a Kenyan or something, but that he prove a positive, i.e., that he was born in the United States.
Now, I suppose that it’s reasonable to just trust the Democratic controlled State of Hawaii to just tell the truth about what is contained in the original documents from which the information on the provided birth certificate is found…for, as we know, the state can always be trusted.
And, I suppose that it’s reasonable to just trust Obama and his family members as it regards the circumstances of his birth, for, as we know, politicians can always be trusted and family members never lie on behalf of other family members — especially when there’s power, influence, and money at stake.
And, I suppose that when there exists “proof” of citizenship in the control of the candidate and when that proof is requested, it is reasonable to assume that, when access to that proof is denied — fought tooth and nail — that the “proof” sought simply proves what the candidate asserts and that it would establish nothing that the candidate wants to hide.
All reasonable and rational assumptions, I suppose.
On the other hand, it certainly would not surprise me that someone, taking the same subset of facts, could come to an entirely different conclusion…
But, again…the time for this fight was before Obama was elected President. Once the individual states certified him a qualified candidate, the fight was over from a legal and practical perspective.
But, recognizing that the “fight is over” or that “continuing the fight is a bad idea” is a far cry from saying that anyone who comes to entirely reasonable and rational conclusions based on the facts presented is “crazy” seems something that the left would do rather than the, generally, rational right.
But…as usual, the right, rather than shrug our shoulders at others on the right who are tilting at windmills, saying “prove him wrong…it’s easy, you know…” we allow the left to form the terms of the debate.
The LSM and left pundits point, laugh and say “he’s crazy!” Too many on the right say…”Yeah…I’m ashamed to be associated with him. Spank me more, please.”
Sigh…
A certificate of live birth has been issued by the state of Hawaii. Those in charge of the records (Hawaii has one of the most strict set of privacy laws in the nation) have actually viewed the original birth certificate and publicly announced this.
And just in case you nutcase idiots STILL don’t get it, two local papers announced the birth of Barack Hussein Obama that weekend. Of course, maybe the Manchurian Candidate Secret Society planned those announcements, as they knew that their tool would be elected President in 2008. Yeah…
Birthers should be classified as similar to Truthers. They’re both full of crap, and are as dogmatically ignorant as any “moon hoax” advocate.
As for “it’s a big issue in the heartland,” I call BS. I live in southwest Ohio, and have never heard anyone talk about it in the local media, much less regional news or blogs, except wingnut sites like WorldNetDaily. If you have real facts to back that up, bring it on.
Huey, you and your partners in stupidity can keep pushing this crap, but it would be nice if you had any … what’s the word? Proof, that’s it! You don’t have one iota of proof that Barry Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii on the date in question. Until you do, us normal people with sane priorities (like: actually doing something useful to oppose the Democrats instead of making the Tea Party movement look foolish) will keep laughing at you, just like we laugh at all the other crazies out there.
P.S. The Illuminati, Tri-Lateral Commission, MIB, Freemasons, and International Jewish Conspiracy send their regards.
not a birther, but…
I love watching how rankled dems get over the birth cert issue.
classic moment?
joan walsh v. pat buchanan, msnbc.
walsh tried pushing the birther meme’ to label all tea party protestors and pat told her that she was going to get nowhere mocking these people. she lost it…
seriously, if the movment was about a birth cert, why are they pursuuing a tax issue based name?
Indeed. Take all your nutty conspiracy energy and use it for something productive rather than counterproductive. Like perhaps …… writing letters to your local newspaper editor detailing the unquestionable nature of Obama’s anti-free market attitude, and what it portends for the nation.
Or his attitude on terrorist interrogation, which of course is that there IS no interrogation.
It’s not like we don’t have anything to work with beyond …. say …… a revealing appearance in Cosmo decades ago.
As I write this even Foxnews (Carl Cameron) is showing footage of Farrah saying: “We elected someone without a birth certificate”. The anchors came on later and made a statement to the effect that there’s no evidence that Obama’s not eligible to be President.
Remember — all this footage is being captured and stored for use by Obama’s reelection advertising people. And it’s also likely to be used against candidates in 2010 that have been endorsed or backed by the “tea party”.
“They’re crazy, so he/she’s crazy”. Simple. Effective.
So please. Simply — can it. While there’s still time.
how did howard dean do among dems in the primary, when he floated the his own conspiracy-flashing the 9/11 truthers?
if he was a conservative, it would have been a career ending move.
instead we got another instance of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ /(see john edwards/r hunter).
Focus, people… FOCUS!!!!
“Birther” crap is a LOSER issue. At this point, I couldn’t give a rat’s hiney if he was born in Hawaii or Kenya or still holds and Indonesian passport. This issue will NEVER be a winner.
What can we use to beat the statists? FISCAL RESPONSIBILTY!
See the clip between Farah and Breitbart.
["Birther" crap is a LOSER issue."]
when life gives you lemons…
you are very correct about the fiscal responsiblity, but if the press wanted to, they could offer the schsim within the tea party movement. I imagine there are more people with extreme economic solutions, than birthers.
the press has decided that the birther caricature is the best thing they got going, IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. (still trying to figure out how this helped dems in va, nj, and ma…) If they want to waste their time trying to diminish a movement that is still growing despite their best efforts, let them pursue this feckless strategy.
still looking for the intersection of individuals who wanted obama to follow thru with his promise of a “net spending cut”, but would have susbequently rejected obama and all he ‘said’ he stood for, in failing to have birth documents. People aren’t protesting his birth so much as his outright lies, from his campaign.
Huey,
My rationale for thinking the birth certificate issue is a non starter and pretty crazy to begin with is that there would have been no reason to keep a Kenyan birth secret for about the first 35+ years of Obama’s life, his mother was a U.S. citizen so he would have citizenship regardless of where he was born. The ONLY reason why a Kenyan birth would be a problem is if he wants to be president and I don’t think that his run for office was planned from the date of his birth. So, I can’t agree that there is any reasonable or rational reason to conclude that Obama was/might have been born somewhere other than Hawaii.
Obama doesn’t need to show his birth certificate for the same reason Sarah Palin doesn’t need to show Andrew Sullivan tapes of her giving birth to Trig, the accusation is so outlandish that it doesn’t deserve to be refuted.
“My rationale for thinking the birth certificate issue is a non starter…”
hawaii said it recognized the birth. states rights? case closed.
seriously, if someone destroyed my records, does it mean the end of my imaginary politcal career?
having said that,
I (heart) birthers.
‘Do not talk about eligibility requirements for office holders, because the Democrats and the Main Stream Media will frame it to make us look bad. We have 100% given up hope in ever being able to talk straight in this country, we have to play by the rules that our opponents create. You come out looking like conspiracy nuts and truthers and alien abductees. What you need to do is only argue in methods which are politically correct, and it has to be framed in the way in which the Democrats demand it be framed. Only in this way can we have any hope of being trusted by the people. Even though the Main Stream Media will never write in positive way about us, nor ever grant that our intentions are ever purely for what is best for our nation, we must avoid at all costs offending any of them or the Democrats. Our nation is a politically correct nation that tilts to the left, and thus we must tailor our message to conform to what the Main Stream Media and the Democratic party consider to be Politically Correct’ Well, I for one welcome our new liberal progressive tyrannical leaders and hope that they are willing to give me crumbs from the table that I build and supply for them. I certainly do not want anything that is really in the best interest of our nation, such as accountability, transparency, rule of law and strength of character from our leaders.
The birther issue being correct or wrong will not be an issue. The issue is:
Is Obama an AMERICAN in thought, spirit and actions?
Well, unless your a liberal or brain dead – it is apparent that he is NOT an American or that he loves America in any way shape or form.
How could you expect him to be? Look at his upbringing, his parents, his environment, his mentors, his friends, his acquaintances, his place of education.
There is no way Obama can call himself an American, because he is not.
Papa Ray