Jesse Griffin: Troubling Revelations
Despite claims of being an anonymous blogger at Immoral Minority, research suggests that, through possible misjudgment, Jesse Griffin appears to have created a situation in which he has been easily identifiable as the blogger Gryphen, particularly to children, perhaps for as long as two years. School-aged children who were PC literate apparently could have had access to information posted on his blog including questionable statements like this below – apparently posted by assistant kindergarten instructor Jesse Griffin himself when discussing a possible military draft. As of this minute, the content is still live.
Quick hide your children! They are getting ready to feed them into Vietraq's bottomless pit of death and destruction.
I am teaching my boys to wear dresses and swish when they walk because being ignorant or drug addicted is no longer a guarantee of being passed over. If your not willing to suck cock then pack up your going to Iraq! Posted by Gryphen at 7:34 AM 0 comments Links to this post
At issue is Griffin's MySpace page, apparently designed in a manner to make him easily discoverable as Jesse Griffin of Anchorage by searching on either location or name. Given the trend for young people to spend so much time on MySpace and similar social networking services, perhaps even looking for specific school instructors they knew, or liked, it seems plausible that any Anchorage school student could have ultimately been directed to Immoral Minority to read any of his more vulgar and outrageous postings and comments, while knowing full well who blogger Gryphen actually was. The URL for the MySpace page was actually blogger Gryphen's real name. The page includes multiple images also making Griffin easily identifiable.
Because of this portal between his MySpace real identity and his "Gryphen" alter-ego the allegedly anonymous Gryphen appears to have been out all along. It didn't take a letter from Sarah Palin's lawyer Thomas Van Flein, one which Griffin might have ignored in any event. But more on that in a later post.
In what might be an even more serious concern to some, the issue stems from Jesse Griffin's decision to take advantage of a MySpace feature allowing one to refer visitors to a blog.
Griffin opted to use the feature to steer readers directly to his political blog, Immoral Minority, which many would describe as vulgar, and worse.
The blog routinely displayed content such as describing then Governor and VP candidate Sarah Palin as wearing "fuck me pumps",or debating the acceptability of such concepts as referring to former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice as a "cunt". That misogynistic and vile descriptor was often used by some commenters at Gryphen's blog in addressing Palin, as well.
Based upon one report from an Immoral Minority reader, it's been claimed that Griffin's comments are moderated and potentially approved. Also, initial research suggests much of the more disturbing content there has never been deleted, or removed. He did denounce the word "cunt" as an "unfortunate pejorative" when directed at Rice, though seeming to do nothing to clean up said remarks in any way.
In what appears to be a fairly consistent sexual theme, Griffin makes remarks such as, "if sex is not naughty then it is almost not worth doing", claim that he is "promoting self-pleasure", and instructing that, "Your penis will respond more readily if you take it out and put it through its paces more often".
It appears that someone who wanted to spend a large amount of time researching Griffiin's site for what many would consider as inappropriate content for children, the search could go on for quite some time. This seems to raise at least some initial questions people might want answered.
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Is this appropriate content for a 49 year-old male kindergarten instructor in a somewhat smallish town to post under any circumstances?
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And perhaps most troubling of all, given the apparent MySpace linkage, do any young Anchorage students know precisely what Jesse Griffin is all about, if nothing else, as regards his blogging presence on the Web?
I emailed Griffin as there are additional questions I may pose later, some regarding interpersonal interactions I have questions about. But I want to give him a chance to respond before posting more.
I'd also like to thank Joseph Culligan of Web of Deception, busy working on non-related issues, too, for his assistance with research. And be sure to check out story co-blogger Stacy McCain for more. Stacy has now written to Griffin, as well.
Stay tuned….
Teachers have been fired for far less. In fact, he probably should not be working in any environment where women are present. I didn’t think it was possible to out-do Evan Handler’s post at HuffPo last November offering to whore out liberal women for votes. I was wrong. Sick, sick man. Really. What is wrong with these people? It’s just depressing.
20 buck side bet…
jesse is the king of klonopin.
Dayum!
That’s gonna leave a mark.
I left a comment earlier over at Jesse’s site….too bad he didn’t have the stones to post it.
Popcorn anyone?
Yawn.
That’s all you have Dan?
Last time I checked, the First Amendment has not been repealed and people are free to post their thoughts on the Internet.
I thought you were going to say he was some kind of criminal or something really juicy.
“pack up your going to Iraq! ”
You.Are – concatenate – You’re
He’s illiterate as well as being a rancid human being.
mary:
“Last time I checked, the First Amendment has not been repealed and people are free to post their thoughts on the Internet.”
jesse:
“I have sent this information to my attorney and to the ACLU just in case you don’t take me seriously.”
luke:
“what we got here, is a failure to communicate.”
I wonder if the school board will look into him? And if we’ll ever know about it?
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People ARE free to post thoughts on the internet. Businesses are also free to FIRE employees who post things on the internet they think are unflattering to them or their desired image. If you do not believe me, check out Board of Regents of State Colleges v. Roth, 408 U.S. 564 (1972). I have never met a tenured part-time teacher of any kind, much less in kindergarten, so he’s very likely toast. His students are on MySpace and can see him. He has a working link from his myspace page to his blog. Ergo, students can easily see his blog, which is full of profanity. If I were his employer I’d fire him too. See ya, suckas.
Read what happened recently in Dillingham, Alaska:
http://www.adn.com/rural/western/story/878744.html
She was/is a vitrolic, stream of conciousness blogger. That is a very small community compared to Anchorage, but public disapproval apparently can have it’s own backlash.
Well, I’d hoped for more. The folks in Anchorage already knew who the Gryphen was and have no problem with someone like him teaching their kids to read. Gryphen didn’t post my comment either. He was musing about how terrific his friends were and linked to some supporters. No supporting words on Celtic Diva, girl from Homer or Progressive Alaska last time i checked. Mudflats went on the attack, with the tactic of misdirection to the dreadful trauma to kids of *maybe* having a subpoena delivered to a teacher. Leave the kiddies alone she whines. She was pretty miffed when one of her victims tracked her down and outed her. You may notice Moore has been pretty limited in her “just a rumor” posts lately. I’m just saying….
You know it’s serious when the only defense is “Last time I checked, the First Amendment has not been repealed…”
“Last time I checked, the First Amendment has not been repealed…”
birthers should use that line, it’s catchy.
anginak, very true. But Anchorage still has quite a bit of small town mentality and most “normal” Alaskans (or those whom are real) don’t deal with people like griffin on the street. The school board is going to have to deal with comaeu though. And that may be a problem.
leel, I can honestly say I had no clue as to who griffin was nor did any of the Alaskans I know. The guy is a sleaze and as I said to anginak, normal around hear is NOT griffin and many don’t play by the same rules as the “Alaskan liberal Bloggers”.
Dan I appreciate the time you put into this. Many Alaskans are unable to do what you and Stacy have done… due to work and such. I wish I could tell you how much of the City and State run and you may be surprised.
The Stasi want you to turn in your neighbors
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/
Thank you to you and McCain for following this. I do not know how Palin puts up with all of this garbage.
Mr. Griffin actually had a post up with a secretly-taken picture of Bristol at the Iron Dog, where he invited people to speculate about her stomach size, whether she was pregnant again and whether she lied about Tripp’s birthdate. I was absolutely disgusted and will never click there again. What is wrong with those people? And then they say “leave the kids alone” with a strait face? It is a wonder that any of the Palins ever want to leave their house.
Drat! I was thinking all this time that lefty’s misogyny sauce was a condiment, but it turns out to be a lubricant.
upinak, I don’t promote violence against an individual (like mentioned in the article), however, I promote an extreme state of disapproval when a person such as griffin is run across. If he loses his job, I think that’s great. And I hope he meets with Ms. Comeau very soon, I hope she fires his a**. Preferably before school is in session! Would serve him right.
Just to clear up any ambiguity of my earlier comment.
Hmmm. 16 posts and no sign yet of our resident contrarion. He must be doing that painstaking research he showers on us before blessing us with his wisdom again so watch for it everyone. I know its going to be factual and balanced as all of his memes have been,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOT
I almost would rather see Comeau “not” fire him. It is an indefensible position, and in protecting jesse, would handicap her crediblity for any future decision, regarding dismissal.
she is going to pull a page from obama’s book,
and dude is “going to be thrown under the bus”. She might like him, she might agree with him, she might resent outside interference, but her legal team is going to give her some solid advice. Anything else would be malpractice.
who knows…obama might need a “masturbation czar”.
dude is a serious ‘pi-bolar’.
If I had a child in his school, I’d be interested.
I posted a rebuttal to “Leave the Kids Alone” at my site: http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2009/08/lefty-alaskan-bloggers-use-kindergarten.html
Here it is:
Jeanne Devon of leftist Alaskan blog, The Mudflats, is up to her usual mendacity. Sarah Palin is on the verge of suing Jesse Griffin of the “Immoral Minority” for publishing a false story about the Palins divorcing. Palin’s attorney sent Griffin a letter asking him if he would rather be served with a summons at home or at work, giving Griffin a choice. However, the lefty Alaskan bloggers have seized on that to scream that Palin’s attorney is going to serve Griffin right in front of the kindergartners that he teaches.
Devious Devon has posted an article on her blog today called “Leave the Kids Alone!” It is a transparent attempt at misdirection, to turn the public conversation about the misdeeds of Griffin in a different direction, painting the Palin team as child abusers and transforming Griffin from culprit to victim. She writes:
…the “leaving kids alone” philosophy shouldn’t be applied too broadly, according to the Palins. The latest dastardly deed from Palin lawyer and Snidely Whiplash Wannabee, Thomas Van Flein, involves bringing down the iron-fisted, pointy-knuckled wrath of Sarah Palin in front of…(wait for it)… a classroom full of five-year-olds.
Like most everything Devon publishes on her blog, it is thoroughly dishonest and Machiavellian. For one thing, the lawsuit would not be served by the attorney himself; they use independent third party process servers for that task. This is so the server can later testify that the summons was indeed served, should the defendant dispute it. The process server has no stake in the case one way or the other.
For another thing, school hasn’t started yet, so if Griffin is at work, there won’t be any kids there. Even if there were, the lawsuit would not be served on him in the middle of the classroom. He would be called out of class, probably by the principal, to be served away from the kids. Serving a summons merely consists of handing a sealed envelope to the person served, that’s it. It isn’t necessary to tackle the servee and smack him in the jaw while screaming profanities.
The false picture that the PDS* bloggers are trying to paint is ridiculous on its face — that the Palin attorney is going to barge unannounced into a kindergarten class and hand a summons to Griffin, somehow terrorizing the kindergartners in the process. Pathetic.
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*PDS stands for Palin Derangement Syndrome
Yes what is presented here does meet the criteria for troubling revelations. Well done.
Now get some sleep.
anginak, oh no I totally agree. BUT, Comaeu is a total liberal. She had Mark Begich (they are really good “friends”) raise property taxes so HIGH in Anchorage that it is insane… and it partially to pay teachers salary (which aren’t graduating) and build new schools. The school board is afraid of her…. she is a complete jerk. She even sued some guy, when his car slipped on the ice had a little bumper blunder, and he HAD insurance. She had the cops all over him saying he was being rude and asking him “Do you know who I am” type questions.
I want to watch and see what happens. Dan and Stacy are doing a very good job.
Aah, Sarah-noia claims its first victim!
Sweet, sweet schadenfreude! Have a nice life Jesse!
Exactly, Stogie! Can you even imagine Mr. Van Flein appearing out of nowhere, in the actual classroom, screaming and shouting “Take this summons NOW!” Process servers will even wait by the servee’s vehicle at their place of work or elsewhere to serve the documents, wouldn’t even necessitate entering the school.
Does she (Ms. Devon) think we are all that ignorant? Oh wait, I temporarily forgot the blog readers she panders to….
Is anyone else nervouse with the idea of a 49 year old male kindergarten teacher, period?
No way I want this guy near my kid.
“And I hope he meets with Ms. Comeau very soon, I hope she fires his a**. Preferably before school is in session! Would serve him right.”
In the petty and pathetic world of wing nut politics, this is now what passes for “victory.” LOL.
Dear Bob -
You get what you give.
Respectfully,
beyond jesse…
the past two months have easily been the sweetest in memory, at least since 94, and everyday things just get better. the lib gaffes just keep coming.
jesse is like a tiny sprinkle on the sundae. I caught some of limbaugh today, and the material that is out there could fill 6 hours a day. I’m watching ALL credility of the democrat party flying out the window. My only fear?
the larry/curly/moe condition that kept mr burns alive is blocking the sewage from being jettisoned. I look at the calender though, and see that there is still 16 months worth of flushing for these turds, before the next election. There won’t even be skidmarks left.
I almost dread nov 2010, because things couldn’t be better, right now.
I’d say getting a pervert away from schoolkids would be a great victory. Thanks for the confirmation Bob!
Actually, Bob, what could more precisely be called “petty and pathetic” are the lies you and your friend Gryphen are spreading in an attempt to harm Sarah Palin.
Or like yesterday, when you attacked two regular commenters here, claiming they had never repudiated deficits or provided you with a plan to control health care costs — which was demonstrated to be a complete and total lie using your own quoted words.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/the-jessie-griffin-story-an-update.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51b452e970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51b452e970c
The victory here comes in the fact that the leftist received what he did to others. You are whining and screaming and crying about it because you, like all spoiled, bratty liberal children, are not used to your behavior having consequences.
North Dallas.. I think Bob is someone who trolls conservatives sites. And I also think he lives in Palmer, Alaska.
Information is power. Thanks to Roger Stacey McCain and Dan Riehl for their great scoop, work, reporting and cooperation in giving parents a chance to have the information so they can act in the best interest of their children. This information spreads power back to the individual..in this case parents, board members, administrators, individual teachers and yes even public school students….and that is one power of a free press.
It’s pathetic that the DNC has chosen to align itself with the dregs such as Griffin, Moore, Biegel, Munger, Devon, Chatman, Henning, etc. It looks like useful idiots must be a dime a dozen.
“Never have I seem so much froth over so little.”
slide is like an ant, log rolling on a turd, that is spinning down the drain. I guess from his vantage point, things do look “forthy”.
I don’t know if it’s the issue of children having seen it, but rather does this person have the type of mentality that is a fit with kindergarten?
I would say no. He has shown himself to be immature, a liar, a bully, a hysteric and a tin foil hat wearer. This doesn’t seem like teacher’s assistant material to me.
hey, take it easy on bob.
his comic relief is fantastic.
his apologiae is a thing of psychotic beauty.
Is anyone else nervous with the idea of a 49 year old male kindergarten teacher, period?
Um, no.
I try to remain open minded and fair. You know – avoid falling for the needless stereotype that sees all male grade school teachers as mentally unbalanced social losers and freaks.
Although people like Griffin do make this tough.
So, Bob and Slide are okay with teaching young boys how to give head. Anybody else?
Poor little Slide. Once again, he spins, desperately trying to defend his buddy Griffen and show how he supports Gryphen’s postings and writing.
Hey Slide: Last I checked, elected officials have first amendment rights too. That didn’t stop you assholes from attempting to stifle Palin’s first amendment rights through trumped-up, farcical, frivolous ethics complaints. So go f#$k yourself, Slide.
“teachers have First Amendment rights as well.”
ahh, slide. I’ll remember that one, when teachers are pointing out that obama is a socialist, and socialism inevitably fails. An appeal to libertarians? I thought you and bob believed everyone here was a right wing nut job. I won’t even bother pointing out how fast obama and the dems are bleeding out on independent voters.
“Or like yesterday, when you attacked two regular commenters here, claiming they had never repudiated deficits or provided you with a plan to control health care costs”
LOL. Here’s the most substantial excerpt of what North Dallas calls poster anon’s “plan to control health care costs”:
“However, if you look at the stats a huge percentage of overall health care is spent on end of life care…much of that is needlessly prolonging the life of people who are 70 or older…it costs a ton of money, gives little back in return and arguably decreases the quality of life for seniors . . .”
[So far so good, anon, maybe you've got an actionable recommendation here! Oh but wait, there's always a bummer caveat coming sooner or later . . .]
” . . . but trying to make changes to that mode of care is going to be virtually impossible as well, since most physicians and caregivers already know that heavy medical intervention for the very sick is stupid, they do it anyway, lest we all be called Nazis out to cull the old folks.”
Oh damn, but he lost his nerve and bailed out again, saying himself that his very own “plan” is “going to be virtually impossible.” That’s the kind of “can-do” spirit we’ve come to expect from defeatist conservatives like him. Shoot! And just when we started thinking he might have a real “plan” that we could take to Washington and solve the entire healthcare crisis. LOL.
If I were anon, North Dallas, I think I’d be slightly embarrassed to have you blathering about what a great PLAN this is. I dare you to find me one actionable item that his PLAN that one could actually use to control costs. And while you’re at it, since you’re touting this as some kind of comprehensive PLAN, maybe you can show us where it says what proportion of Americans will be covered, how much it will costs, whether or not it intends to maintain Medicare, etc. etc. After all, since this is such a complete answer to all our problems, it must be in there SOMEWHERE, right? LOL. You guys kill me.
Ruh-roh, I see Slide is soliciting donations for his little douchebag friend. Slide, you’re aware that your little pal will have to file with the State of Alaska in order to legally accept donations of that nature, aren’t you?
I think we may have to notify the proper authorities about Gryphen’s solicitation of funds for legal and/or political purposes. Doesn’t Gryphen also work for AK Children’s services? If so, I smell an ethics complaint!
Give to the “Deviant Schoolteachers for Truth”.
LOL…..but before, Bob, you tried to claim that anon had never provided you with anything of the sort.
Now, when something is provided, with proof that you had received it, you try to spin and lie and claim that it’s not good enough.
The point was to demonstrate that you are a liar who does not argue in good faith, and it was made. Your flailing attempts to tear anon down at this point are now shown in exactly that light — that you are dishonest, that you are not arguing in good faith, and that you patently ignore that with which you are presented in an attempt to smear others.
The problem here, Bob, is that you have been humiliated multiple times in the past few days — first, when you lied and claimed that Obama had never proposed cuts to Medicare, and then when you were outmaneuvered into endorsing and supporting as useful a program which your Barack Obama wants to eliminate.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/the-jessie-griffin-story-an-update.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e20120a4c40275970b#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e20120a4c40275970b
And now, upinak has you even more nailed down as a troll who simply goes from site to site repeating the same Obama Party talking points. As a result, you’re simply babbling incoherently and trying to regain some sense of rationality.
Too late.
Actually, since we also can get Slide’s IP address, we should post to Slide’s local police department that one of their officers is supporting and soliciting donations for a site that makes racist and misogynist remarks.
Certainly Slide’s fellow police officers would cover for that, wouldn’t they?
I take slide that you are a big proponent of:
“Your penis will respond more readily if you take it out and put it through its paces more often”.
my only question is whether your pants are in the upright position, or warming your ankles.
“Last time I checked, the First Amendment has not been repealed and people are free to post their thoughts on the Internet.”
Unless you say something “fishy” about the Dem plans for health care “reform”. In that case, the White House wants your name.
Awesome, Dan! ‘Bout damn time there was some pushback against this kind of crap.
Ace.. actually, if he is accepting any monie(s) from anyone.. he better have a Alaskan Business License for State and Federal Taxes. I wonder where that federal Tax ID is?
Opps.
Hey, “Preparation S” looks like a “Griffin” kinda guy to me…..wink, wink,push, push…..
The 1st amendment doesn’t protect you from consequences. People like Jesse never quite grasp that.
so are we supposed to believe that 5-year-olds are surfing myspace and reading blogs and therefore might find their teacher on the internetS??? LMAO
I guess since teachers cuss and have sex in their private time this means they are a bad influence on youth? LMAO
so I guess the new rule is that
ALL TEACHERS MUST BE VIRGINS AND NEVER, EVER USE CUSS WORDS
Strawman much emrysa?
emrysa,
per the US Census as of June 3, 2009
Among children 3 to 17, 56 percent used the Internet.
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/communication_industries/013849.html
I hope you have a nice day. you idiot.
emrysa – How is that website private?
No emrysa, not ‘ALL TEACHERS MUST BE VIRGINS AND NEVER, EVER USE CUSS WORDS’. An anonymous blogger should worry about publishing out-and-out lies as truth (over and over again- ad nauseum). And once exposed as a liar, then I suppose a blogger, and in the particular instance, a kindergarten teacher’s aide blogger, should probably worry about the other content of the blog affecting the blogger’s job and/or personal life. You reap, what you sow. What goes around, comes around.
Look on the bright side, he’ll probably get a lot of myspace hits from likeminded self-pleasurers!
“Read what happened recently in Dillingham, Alaska:
http://www.adn.com/rural/western/story/878744.html
She was/is a vitrolic, stream of conciousness blogger. That is a very small community compared to Anchorage, but public disapproval apparently can have it’s own backlash.”
What a moron that woman was. Why would anyone post a 5k word rant about cutting off their own toe to the internet?
jim r:
how is that a strawman? the author is basically insinuating that griffin is a danger to children, because of the things he has posted on his blog. if that’s not what he is trying to say, well then exactly what IS he trying to say?
my point is that adults can keep work and private life separate. it appears that the author doesn’t agree, and is doing his damndest to get people to think that because this guy has referenced sex and has cussed on his blog, he shouldn’t be around children. right, so if that’s the case, who does he think should be teaching the children? other children?
upinak:
so 56% have used the internet – and what do you think they are doing? looking at mypace or blogs, which have words they won’t even learn for another 5+ years, or going to the sesame street site? please.
brideofrove(love that name!):
I said what someone does in their “private time,” meaning they are not working.
Putting aside the fact that he’s sexually hostile to women – which is the largest issue in my opinion – but putting that aside – you may not agree with your elected officials and you are more than free to disagree with them publicly, but when you work for the Federal or State government you are held to a higher standard. Palin was – in essence – this man’s employer. I’m sure she would not have micromanaged down to his level, but this man is in a position to influence the next generation and there is no possible way he is teaching them respect for women in general or what constitutes acceptible public discourse. Kids learn about their elected officials at a very early age and they take their cues from the adults around them. He didn’t just say “Well, I disagree with the way Secretary of State Rice handled that policy and this is why.” He called her the C-word in public. How do you defend that? What he said about Palin – he said to her face. If I talked that way to my boss I would expect to get fired. If I objectivized him in a hostile, sexual manner I.WOULD.GET.FIRED. Again. How do you defend that?
Xerocky, I know right? However, it wasn’t the toe rant that got her run out of her job and town…
emrysa…. jesus how dumb are you?
Do you realize that many kids look at myspace and facebook to keep in contact with relatives? LOL… why am I bothering with you. You don’t have kids!
B.O.R. you can’t defend it. And that is what will get him into hot water even more. What else might be up for questioning is how he conducts himself around “single moms”. That I am bothered by.
anginak sez:
“You reap, what you sow. What goes around, comes around.”
and it’s never occurred to any of you that this same truism applies to palin…
emrysa, well then I would assume all good things to come around to Sarah Palin. See?
What you are failing to understand is that BLOGGING is not a part of private life, neither is Facebook, Myspace or Twitter. The Internet is public, very public.
I think the guy’s blog is over the top, hateful, angry, full of lies and vitriol….it looks to me that he is not well suited for teaching children, not because he’s a “danger” to children, but because he’s an immature, angry, reactionary bully.
upinak sez:
“Do you realize that many kids look at myspace and facebook to keep in contact with relatives?”
5 year olds? on their own? you’re grasping at straws. what parent lets a 5 year old use a computer without supervision? are you speaking from first hand experience? be real.
emrysa..
are you mad or something? I know quite a few “liberal” parents who have computers in their childrens rooms, not including the games unlike my conservative friends who are parents. That is why I go off statisitics. At least they are pretty postitive concerning what they look at in determining what they are looking for. And the fact that these children get OLDER and guess what they do when they get older and bored on a computer.
Interesting thought there huh!
I must admit I am very amused about the uproar over the c-word.
so how many of you voted in the last presidential election for the man who called his wife the c-word? hmm… guess since ya’ll are so pure and hold everyone to the same standards, y’all must have voted for nader, then.
upinak sez:
“emrysa.. are you mad or something?”
actually, I am LMAO and I have you people to thank for it. so, thank you, hahhaaaa
Heh.
By his own words he is just the garden variety wanker then?
With all due respect, this is all very boring.
Very.
emrysa – it’s a horrible word regardless of who says it and that was a real low mark against McCain. I won’t even try to defend him on that so why are you defending this blogger?
And we must admit, emrysa, that we are very amused at how the liberals like yourself who whine and cry about protecting the children are so ready and eager to promote and support language such as the type Gryphen is using around them, to them, and to describe their parents.
All you’re doing is trying to attack conservatives to cover up the behaviors that liberals like yourself endorse and support. Since you support and endorse the use of the c-word, your attempt to attack conservatives over its use is nothing but pure hypocrisy.
Also, isn’t it hilarious how emrysa supports and endorses bullying of disabled children and children whose names are different, like Gryphen advocates? Supposedly Obama Party members are for the children, but as we see, Barack Obama and his syncophants like emrysa want as teachers individuals who advocate bullying children who are different.
Just a question-how does a kindergarten aide support a family etc on such a presumably low wage-what is his other source of income ?
“I would say no. He has shown himself to be immature, a liar, a bully, a hysteric and a tin foil hat wearer. This doesn’t seem like teacher’s assistant material to me.”
Hold on now. Before you go making assumptions, what makes you so sure that North Dallas Thirty even works in a classroom?
People like Riehl, Levin, Hannity, et al, play you wing nut suckers like a dime store violin. All they have to do is chum the waters with some tasty hate-bait about someone who dissed Saint Sarah. They want to get you all pumped up with liberal hatred so you can go stampede a town hall meeting and demand higher profits for insurance companies or something. What a bunch of pathetic tools. You chumps get what you deserve. The problem is, in doing so, you ruin it for everyone else as you dance and shout on command for your corporate masters.
Bob – WTH are you talking about? That made absolutely no sense.
You guys are missing an important point:
If he gets fired, how’s he going to pay his legal bills?
By the by, has he appeared on MSNBC yet?
Bob is talking about the fact that the paid ACORN mobs that he and his Barack Obama are trying to use to ram through their attempt to steal trillions of dollars annually from the American people are being overwhelmed.
“ACORN did not break the bank on the protestors it hired for the campaign, since they made less than Wal-Mart entry-level employees. But ACORN is paid well to organize protests. SIEU, for example, paid $500,000 to ACORN for one such protest, and gives a total of over $4 million a year to the organization. A number of its union locals, including the Wade Rathke headed New Orleans local, pay rent to ACORN. Similarly, UFCW also hired another ACORN front as a “consultant for organizing program” at a cost of $429,431.
Such protests don’t appear to be much fun at the ground level. The Las Vegas Weekly described one such operation in colorful terms:
The shade from the Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market sign is minimal around noon; still, six picketers squeeze their thermoses and Dasani bottles onto the dirt below, trying to keep their water cool. They’re walking five-hour shifts on this corner at Stephanie Street and American Pacific Drive in Henderson-anti-Wal-Mart signs propped lazily on their shoulders, deep suntans on their faces and arms-with two 15-minute breaks to run across the street and use the washroom at a gas station.
That experience may be preferable to the one enjoyed by some non-union workers in Nevada on a UFCW sponsored Wal-Mart picketing project, employed as temp workers: “They’re making $6 an hour, with no benefits; it’s 104 F, and they’re protesting the working conditions inside the new Wal-Mart grocery store.” Inside, the Wal-Mart entry level wage was 6.75 per hour, and it was air conditioned. One picketer, a Sal Rivera, used to work at Wal-Mart, where he made $8.63 an hour. He’d consider re-applying.
According to a 2006 report by the Employment Policies Institute, ACORN “may be the most hypocritical employer in America,” because it denies its own employees the “living wage” it would mandate for others. It even seeks exemption from paying minimum wage increases which it demands from employers it pickets, has to be forced by government to pay overtime to its employees, completely misses wage payments to many of its workers, and engages in union busting tactics against its own workers who are agitating for unions at places like Wal-Mart for sub-par wages.”
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/466
In Bob’s world, since he himself is an astroturfer and the only protesters he knows are paid, he assumes everyone else is.
And yes, Bob, we ARE spoiling it for you. Instead of getting welfare payments off the backs of productive people, you actually have to go out and earn your benefits. The one thing you and your fellow leftists hate the most is actually having to work for something.
LOL.
Jesse only has himself to blame, and since he’s someone who has given a lot of credence to the idea that Trig isn’t Sarah Palin’s child..um, I’d say that qualifies him for a tin foil hat and he ginned up the controversy ALL BY HIMSELF..no corporate masters were involved.
I bet ya that this fat belly, beer drinking, pot smoking, drug taking Jessie scumbag has a huge picture of SARAH hung on his wall, and he pleasures himself while looking at her.
He is truly a pervert of the worst kind.
He is obsessed with her because she is so darn pretty and cute and he can’t have her. She is already taken. Sorry Jessie.
He has no girlfriend or wife because he is so scummy looking.
So, the only thing he can do is trash and bash her as he is such a miserable person and that is all he can do to get attention.
I hope the attention he gets is the police at his door to arrest him for harassment and lies against another. Maybe he will just do himself in.
Federal Communications Commission … Unlawful harassment is a form of discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other federal authority.
Hey, anon, since you’re here, why don’t you stick up for that comprehensive “health care plan” with all of those “cost saving measures” that North Dallas was just bragging about. Maybe YOU can tell us how many Americans would be covered under your plan, how much it will cost, how you’ll pay for it and how it will affect Medicare. I looked and looked and couldn’t find any of those seemingly critical details that would separate a tiny handful of vague suggestions from something that might fairly be called a “plan.” Maybe I missed it . . . could you please point out where those issues were detailed?
I’m particularly interested in how your suggestion for limiting end-of-life care to save money will go over with the old folks, especially considering how your side just scared the bejeezus out of them over euthanasia. In the political climate that your side has largely created, I can just see the headlines:
THROW GRANNY FROM THE TRAIN!
Senator Anon’s New Healthcare Plan Sacrifices Seniors to Raise Funds for “Cash for Clunkers” program
Teabaggers Outraged
And Bob, since you’re back and so opposed to astroturfing and rent-a-mobs, why don’t YOU tell us why you support and endorse their use by Barack Obama?
Try to stay focused. We know lying Obama shills like yourself like to run away from facts, but since you demand consistency and answers, we want to know why you and Barack Obama are opposed to paid protesters and mobs — except when you’re the ones paying them.
Jesse Griffin is a douchebag, and a lowlife leftist scumbag piece of garbage. I once read a post somewhere that accused him of trading in child pornography and said they had proof.
One can conclude from this that he also likes to molest young boys.
Jesse,
you need to get a life and go on a diet ,maybe if you got off your a.. you wouldn’t have time to complain about people who are above your level. your a looser,so we all can understand why you spend time on your computer.
Looks like North Dallas tried to cash a check that anon’s a$$ couldn’t cover. Another conservative’s faint pretense of having anything constructive to offer in the healthcare debate bites the dust.
I think it’s safe to say what your “plan” is: it’s to wallow in apathy as long as it’s someone else — namely, the 45 million currently uninsured and the 20,000/yr who die from lack of health insurance — who pays the price for doing nothing.
But it’s OK — those losers don’t have an important salaried job with benefits, so they probably deserve to die anyway.
LOL…and of course, Bob can’t answer, so he tries to attack and smear both anon and me personally.
The funny part is that Bob and his billionaire Obama Party members could provide health insurance to the poor right now if they were willing to spend their own money — especially since they argue that they can provide coverage for free with no refusals, no limits, and no cost to the taxpayers, and just an ongoing 2% administration fee.
But they don’t. Instead, they try to take money out of the pockets of working Americans who already have health insurance and are taking care of their families, try to force the insurance companies out of business, and then insist that the government should be able to deny care to anyone it wants.
Furthermore, and most ironically, they don’t pay their taxes.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html
Don’t forget Daschle, Solis, Sebelius, Geithner, and the extended list of Obama Party leaders who refuse to pay their taxes while insisting that working families pay more and more and more to support Obama Party members who don’t want to give up expensive cars and homes to take care of their children.
Most ironically, Bob, you haven’t provided a plan to cut healthcare costs either — because it has been proven by the very CBO you cited before as an independent and trustworthy source that your Obamacare plan would INCREASE the costs of health care.
Answering questions from Democrat Kent Conrad of North Dakota at a hearing of the Senate Budget Committee today, Elmendorf said CBO does not see health care cost savings in either of the partisan Democratic bills currently in Congress.
“Conrad: Dr. Elmendorf, I am going to really put you on the spot because we are in the middle of this health care debate, but it is critically important that we get this right. Everyone has said, virtually everyone, that bending the cost curve over time is critically important and one of the key goals of this entire effort. From what you have seen from the products of the committees that have reported, do you see a successful effort being mounted to bend the long-term cost curve?
Elmendorf: No, Mr. Chairman. In the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount. And on the contrary, the legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs.”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/cbo-sees-no-federal-cost-savings-in-dem-health-plans.html
In short, Bob, your “plan” reduces Americans’ health care choices, increases our tax burden, and vastly increases health care costs over time, even more than they are currently increasing.
Furthermore, the Obama Party’s goal has already been pulled out into the open and made abundantly obvious.
“He also got House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to agree to allow a full House vote on the single-payer reform that more than 85 House Democrats have endorsed.
Congressman Anthony Weiner, D-New York, worked with Waxman to get the deal on single-payer and declared a sort of victory Friday, saying that: “Single-payer is a better plan and now it is on center stage. Americans have a clear choice. Their Member of Congress will have a simpler, less expensive and smarter bill to choose. I am thrilled that the Speaker is giving us that choice.”
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/457846/key_committee_backs_health_plan_pelosi_allows_single_payer_vote
Your party is forcing single-payer on us, Bob. Your party lied. Your Obama lied. You lied.
I’m glad you mentioned Congressman Weiner. One of the moves he made was to get Republicans on record about whether they supported or didn’t support “socialized medicine” programs like Medicare. He introduced an amendment to repeal Medicare and dared the Republicans to vote for it. Of course, every single Republican voted not to repeal Medicare. So much for their principles. Weiner said later,
“Republicans are refusing to acknowledge the hypocrisy in their statements warning about “socialized” medicine and their support for Medicare. Of course, conservatives also opposed the creation of Medicare in the 1960s and made many of the same claims that their counterparts are doing today. Forty-four years later, Medicare has helped America’s senior citizens live longer, healthier lives. By not voting for Weiner’s amendment, conservatives are acknowledging that their supposedly substantive claims about health care reform are nothing more than crass political fear-mongering.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/weiner-medicare/
still boring…
Bob: Take your bullshit talking points elsewhere and quit hijacking the thread. This thread is about the sexual deviant Jesse Griffin, not your messiah’s maoist death-care. Nobody here gives a shit about your axleturfer talking points and your taking the thread off topic and disrupting it.
BTW, I think you post as “spart” at Aos. Either that or you two are posting from an identical script. I’m onto you, douchenozzle.
“I’m glad you mentioned Congressman Weiner.”
Sure you are, Bob, since he demonstrated that you’re a complete and total liar.
You said your plan would cut costs and you lied.
You said your plan would provide universal coverage and you lied.
You said you weren’t trying to force single-payer on Americans and you lied.
That’s why puppets and liars like Weiner have to introduce resolutions that they publicly state are nothing more than political maneuvers. It shows you how childish and desperate Barack Obama and his party are, and how their “plan” is nothing more than a series of lies and games.
It’s particularly funny that Weiner is your hero, given that he’s a known bully and abusive towards his staff members with a record of campaign finance violations. But then again, that lines up nicely with the example I gave above, where Barack Obama organizations refuse to pay their workers, refuse to give them benefits, and physically and mentally abuse them, while all the while pocketing corrupt donations.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/nyregion/23weiner.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
http://eqs.sdrdc.com/eqs/searcheqs?SUBMIT=news&CASENUM=5429&CASETYPE=mur
What makes this really hypocritical, Bob, is that your Pelosi and your Obama Party said that anyone who commits campaign finance violations or abuses their workers should resign and go to prison. I’m sure that you will enforce that now, won’t you?
Finally, let’s go back to what Barack Obama, aka his mouthpiece Bob, started whining and screaming:
“They want to get you all pumped up with liberal hatred so you can go stampede a town hall meeting and demand higher profits for insurance companies or something. What a bunch of pathetic tools. You chumps get what you deserve. The problem is, in doing so, you ruin it for everyone else as you dance and shout on command for your corporate masters.”
Just like how Bob and Barack Obama send their gangs of paid thugs to these town halls.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/ACORNs-Muscle-for-Money-does-the-bidding-of-SEIU–50091427.html
Bob, why won’t you answer? Your Obama was screaming and wetting himself today about “paid mobs”. Why do you think your Obama is so opposed to a tactic that he himself uses? Doesn’t that make your Obama a hypocrite? Why do you support paying thugs and mobsters to scream and shout at these town hall meetings, yet attack other people for allegedly doing it?
Is Dan in love with Gryphen? How else to explain all this crap. …
gryphen is an alias…..should explain it all.
“Is Dan in love with Gryphen? How else to explain all this crap. …”
Then, given all the crap from Palin haters like yourself, should we assume you’re in love with her?
“BTW, I think you post as “spart” at Aos. Either that or you two are posting from an identical script. I’m onto you, douchenozzle.”
I’ve never heard of “Aos,” so I did a Google search. It pulled up The American Orchid Society.
http://www.aos.org//AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home
What, is there some guy who posts there as “spart” who disses your dendrobiums and bad-mouths your paphiopedilum? Can’t you even enjoy your love of flowers without letting this wing-nut paranoia of yours spoil it? Jeez, lighten up . . .
By the way, whining about me is off-topic on this thread. You’d better watch it or I’m gonna have to tell Dan.
QUITE some beer belly old Gryph has. That would explain why Sara wants to stand by her man. Also explains why king gryph (cute gay name) has to beat it as he tells us he does. And seriously if this guy griffie has interaction with any school aged child, the good people of Alaska need to know! ThiS is NOT SLANDER, BUT based on comments lil Graph made herself. Sucks to be you get a gryph. PS………….SUE ME
Ok I looked this up http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/weiner-medicare/ If they voted, I can’t find it – could you give me a link to the actual amendment? He filed it, right? There was an actual vote? Here is the video of the theater http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTh-Yu9RfF0&feature=player_embedded
At no point does he mention that Medicare is broke and in around 2012 no one will have it because there’s no money to fund it. He says it works well on the Indian Reservations and that’s a flat out lie. He brushes over the massive fraud and does not mentionthat most doctors will no longer accept it because they can’t aford to. Medicare and Medicaid are a failure and a disaster about to unfold. They need to be overhauled in the short term and phased out completely in the long term. This is not something you can do in an amendment in a bill you hope to kill anyway. What that was, was stupid. It’s like asking someone “When did you stop beating your wife?” There’s no point in answering, because it’s designed to put you on the defensive with no constructive outcome possible. Sucking more people into the government void where it can play games like he just did with your very life is not a kindness. People who are dependant on Medicare were probably watching that theater in horror realizing for the first time that – what the government gives you, the government can deny you access to. Private alternatives can be found to replace Medicare, preferably before it fails catastrophically — and it will fail, both parties have acknowledged the inevitability of that. Alternatives that can be regulated for abuse, where – if there’s a profit motive – fraud will be minimal because it’s in a private businesses best interest to keep it minimal.
Only madmen and the British take a failing model like medicare and quadruple down on it the way Congress is doing right now with this healthcare bill.
Put up a bill to reform and eventually phase out medicare over a compassionate and reasonable length of time which includes tort reform and other measures to reign in health care costs and every true conservative would vote for it.
And don’t be dissing my dendrobiums, Bob. No good will follow.
Sorry for hijacking the Gryphn thread, but Bob made me go look badness up and once that happens – especially before I’ve had any caffeine – I’m not responsible for the result.
Sorry. One last point on the Weiner Amendment. He withdrew it immediately after proposing it.
http://www.brideofrove.com/?p=541
Now back to Gryphn the woman hating squid.
And it’s now come out that Barack Obama, while whining and screaming and wetting himself about rent-a-mobs, was sending out memos talking about how the Obama Party is going to do exactly that for these “town halls”.
“The Leadership is working in close coordination with the White House and outside groups (including but not limited to HCAN, Families USA, AFSCME, SEIU, AARP, etc.) to ensure complementary efforts during August.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32987
What a surprise; the Obama Party and Barack Obama being hypocrites and liars.
BrideofRove, my information from Ana Marie Cox and Tucker Carlson at the Washington Post (“Balance of Power” blog)indicates that the amendment DID come to a vote and was unanimously defeated (once the page opens, search on the blog for the heading “government run health care”):
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/07/31/DI2009073102917.html
“On Friday, NY Democrat Representative, Anthony Weiner introduced an ammendment to get the US government out of the government-administered/government-run health care. The amendment came in the markup of the House Energy and Commerce committee hearings.
He had a nice chart to compare with the byzantine, multi-box, multi-colored chart that the GOP has been pushing.
He offered the members of the committee, where the GOP regularly spouts off agains “government run” health care, the opportunity to vote their strongly held philosophical beliefs — to vote the government out of health care by eliminating Medicare.
His ammendment failed, 44 to zero.”
Your mistake, BrideOfRove, was to confuse an amendment for a single-payer system that Weiner had submitted for inclusion in the bill being considered on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce (HR 3200). Weiner withdrew THAT amendment in exchange for a deal with Nancy Pelosi that she would allow a floor vote in the House on his single-payer proposal later in the year.
http://pubrecord.org/politics/3105/pelosi-allow-floor-single-payer/
“Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said she would allow a floor vote later this year on a single-payer option for healthcare reform after Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-NY, agreed to remove an amendment he proposed for inclusion in the House Committee on Energy and Commerce’s version of a healthcare reform bill, which the panel passed by a vote of 31 to 28 late Friday.”
Now that you’ve been made aware of your mistake, BrideofRove, I expect, in your dedication to the principle of honest discourse, that you’ll correct your earlier statements.
And what we can see now is anklebiter Bob’s complete and total hypocrisy when it comes to “honest discourse”.
“Second, where is the idea coming from that seniors’ healthcare is going to be “given away?” Who, other than any of numerous right wingers shilling for the insurance industry, said anything about that? Is it the same source that claims that the new plan will call for euthanizing seniors? There’s really something unpatriotic and un-American about political ideologues who make up lies and distortions like these rather than at least limiting themselves to reasonable, good-faith arguments.
Posted by: Bob | Monday, August 03, 2009 at 05:51 PM”
Which he then shut up about when it was pointed out to him that Obama stated DIRECTLY that cuts would be made in senior citizens’ health care to pay for “reform”.
“President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next decade.”
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
So in the interests of “honest discourse”, Bob, of course you’ve already demonstrated you have no interest in it; you’re simply spouting lies and demanding of others proof that you refuse to give as you namecall them.
That makes your statement demanding accuracy of hers and that she correct her statements only examples of your clear hypocrisy. Furthermore, your admittance that the Obama Party is pushing single-payer makes your lies that the Obama Party is doing nothing of the sort even more hilarious.
Weiner withdrew his amendment. Furthermore, contrary to your claim, he did not get ALL Republicans; he only got those on the particular committee, and that was after he admitted his amendment was nothing more than a political stunt.
Here’s an account from someone who was there to witness the debate on Weiner’s amendment to repeal Medicare and the following vote:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/single-payer-gets-its-day-on-the-floor.php
“The debate on Wiener’s amendment got pretty heated, with Rep. Steve Buyer calling Wiener an “intellectual smart-ass” and Wiener calling all the Republicans hypocrites (with good reason, though). Initially, Chairman Waxman not amused by the amendment, since he was trying to keep the markup moving quickly in order to finish on Friday. By the end of the debate, though, Waxman was clearly enjoying it. In the end, despite Wiener’s “double-dare”, all the Republicans voted no (how often do you see a unanimous “no” vote?), thus proving on the 44th anniversary of the signing of the Medicare Act that nobody’s going to mess with Medicare anytime soon.”
Again, BrideOfRove seems to have been sorely mistaken about her earlier claim. Gee, if only she’d read the text of the amendment that Weiner withdrew (the one that would have created what amounts to a universal Medicare single-payer system), that she features prominently on her blog post, perhaps she would have realized her mistake.
Ahh. I see. pardon me for not trusting your links and finding my own but the vote was 0-57 not agreed to “•Amendment – Rep. Weiner – Not agreed to by a recorded vote, 0 – 57″ So you are are off by a few votes. http://energycommerce.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1721:energy-and-commerce-markup-on-hr-3200-the-americas-affordable-health-choices-act-of-2009&catid=141:full-committee&Itemid=85
I will update my post. The bottom line is still the bottom line, though. It was pure theater. You can’t simply shut down an entitlement once the Progressives have gotten people hooked on it. Even though it will go broke in – and I was wrong in my previous post on this as well – 2018 (not 2012) it has to be phased out and replaced with a privately run alternative with healthy, regulated competition. Whether the Republicans vote yes or no it would not have mattered it would still have failed because the Democrats run the government so all he wanted to do was get the GOP on record one way or the other for political points and no other reason. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t on a pointless piece of legislation. It doesn’t prove that they are hypocrits as you posit, it proves that they are not willing to play a game where the rules are jacked and the dice are loaded. It’s an encapsulated miniature of the Health Care bill its self. Here are the Democrats playing God with human lives like they are a toy or something. Here is Weiner saying he can wipe out all current programs comletely if the Republicans don’t bend to the badness of bringing even more Americans into the government fold leaving them with no other options. Quality of life and even death are just a game to these people.
Or are you going to try to tell me that a reasonable person would read that short paragraph of an amendment that would kill the original bill and wipe out medicare immediately as a serious piece of legislation intended to serve the good of American citizens?
“Or are you going to try to tell me that a reasonable person would read that short paragraph of an amendment that would kill the original bill and wipe out medicare immediately as a serious piece of legislation intended to serve the good of American citizens?”
We’re all entitled to our own judgments on these matters, BrideOfRove. But the vote gave the Republican committee members an opportunity to take a decisive stand against “government run” healthcare, and they decided not to knowing how popular of a program Medicare is. That vote was a real event and says a lot more about peoples’ true beliefs than a boatload of empty rhetoric.
But I do appreciate you correcting your post. I’m glad to see that, for you, honesty comes before partisan rhetoric, and you deserve credit for that. Thanks . . .
“But the vote gave the Republican committee members an opportunity to take a decisive stand against “government run” healthcare”
I disagree. It was not a viable Amendment as written and an unsupportable stance regardless of your opinion on Medicare. The only point made by that entire fiasco was that the Democrats are more than willing to take time out of working on a bill they say is critical, to bait the Republicans in order to score political points for townhalls later and for the press who are either unwilling or incapable of recognizing when they are being manipulated.
On the surface – which is all the press appears to be reporting – it’s a black eye as you have presented it for the GOP. This assumption, though, that all Americans are stupid or too lazy to find the truth behind the theater curtain — that’s going to bite the Democrats in the ass. I don’t care what party a retiree belongs to, if they find out that the Deomcrats are playing games like this with their health care it won’t go over well with them.
BrideOfRove, is it your opinion, then, that Medicare should be repealed? Obviously, almost every aspect, program, provider and institution involved in our healthcare system needs to be reformed. I think that most people agree that the current system is unsustainable, and that includes Medicare as well as the private insurers. I have employer-provided insurance, and every year I see my co-pays go up and my coverage go down. The problems in our healthcare system are manifold, and Medicare is certainly not the ultimate cause of most of them. Medicare is forced to deal with the same rising costs of healthcare that plague all of our health insurance providers, including the private ones. Even eliminating Medicare completely would not change anything on the costs front, would it?
So the question is what to do about it. Nobody — certainly not the Republicans, who seem to offer only political posturing instead of serious proposals — has a magic solution that will immediately solve all of the problems. But it’s not a serious approach to say that doing nothing, or obstructing every good-faith attempt to reform the system, is a responsible approach either. The Republicans had the previous eight years to fix the system. But Bush’s only significant effort — tinkering with the Medicare prescription drug benefit — was a piecemeal approach that did nothing to solve the overall problem. Your side had its chance and they failed to make a significant difference. If fixing healthcare had been as important as fraudulent military adventures, I have no doubt something could have been accomplished. But it wasn’t, and now it’s someone else’s turn.
Furthermore, lying Bob, it is public knowledge that the Obama Party and Barack Obama himself support slashing Medicare and taking benefits away from senior citizens.
“President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next decade.”
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-reid-take-dead–aim-at-medicare-hmos-2009-01-14.html
“The Medicare Advantage subsidies that Obama and other Democrats want to slash are not merely windfalls for the HMOs, AHIP maintains.
Those subsidies are used to buy things that many beneficiaries enjoy, such as coverage for prescription drugs, vision care and chiropractic services for which traditional Medicare does not pay. Medicare Advantage enrollees often also pay lower out-of-pocket costs.”
So what’s happening here is simple. Obama is taking health care away from senior citizens, who are covered by a program into which they have paid 1.45% of every dollar they have earned for the past forty years, so that he can hand out welfare checks to people who refuse to work and don’t pay taxes into the Medicare system, like Bob.
Meanwhile, Republicans HAVE proposed innumerable fixes for health care, such as:”
– Capping malpractice liability to allow doctors to practice without having to constantly order unnecessary tests and procedures
– Allowing consumers to purchase insurance from any state
– Allowing consumers to deduct the full cost of premiums from their taxes
– Eliminating mandates of coverage and allowing people to purchase plans that suit exactly what they want, including catastrophic-only
– Giving people the capability to self-insure by the use of flexible spending accounts and health savings accounts.
However, the problem with all of these in the mind of Welfare Barack Obama and the Welfare Obama Party is that they reward people who buy their own health insurance, work, and pay taxes, rather than the Welfare Obama Party members like Bob who don’t want to work, don’t want to pay taxes, and want everything to be given to them for free.
So Bob’s solution is simple; eliminate the insurance companies and force everyone to buy their health care from the government. That way, people who work and pay taxes can be forced to pay more so that Bob and Barack Obama never have to work.
The selfishness of the Obama Party is astonishing. Bob honestly believes that his grandfather, who has worked his entire life and paid thousands of dollars in taxes for Medicare, should have benefits taken away from him so that Bob, who sits on his parents’ couch all day, drinks beer, and is looking for a job “tomorrow” can have free health insurance. It’s a mentality of stealing from the productive so that you can be lazy.
Better yet, who’s going to use this health insurance wisely — the person who pays the bill, like Bob’s grandfather, or Bob, who doesn’t pay for anything and therefore never has to worry about it?
Wasn’t it Churchill who said something along the lines of “All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”?
With people like Griffin and his devotees pulling for him, all Republicans need to do put Obama into early retirement is get out of their way. I almost feel
sorry for the President. The job is tough enough and he not only has to worry about critical issues but waking up every morning and feeling like he’s
playing the part of Ned Beatty in “Deliverance”.
“The selfishness of the Obama Party is astonishing. Bob honestly believes that his grandfather, who has worked his entire life and paid thousands of dollars in taxes for Medicare, should have benefits taken away from him so that Bob, who sits on his parents’ couch all day, drinks beer, and is looking for a job “tomorrow” can have free health insurance. It’s a mentality of stealing from the productive so that you can be lazy.”
North Dallas, the utter shamelessness of your B.S. speaks for itself. It really seems like the more furiously you try, the more you discredit any cause that you claim as your own. I’m sure as hell glad you’re not on MY side.
By the way, dude, my grandparents are all dead, and I can only ask you to please not dishonor their memories by using them as strawmen in your cheap blathery posts. How dare you. Do you have any decency?
And by the way, I have a good job. How ’bout you? If you keep accusing me of being shiftless and unemployed, I might have to seriously write to Dan (as much as I’d hate to trouble him over such trivial B.S.) and ask him to politely ask you not to libel other posters here at Riehl World View. I don’t care how obsessive and out-of-control you are in your partisan furor; you have no right to say those kinds of things about other posters. Now knock it off.
“I don’t care how obsessive and out-of-control you are in your partisan furor; you have no right to say those kinds of things about other posters.”
All I can say to that is…..HA!
“People like Riehl, Levin, Hannity, et al, play you wing nut suckers like a dime store violin. All they have to do is chum the waters with some tasty hate-bait about someone who dissed Saint Sarah. They want to get you all pumped up with liberal hatred so you can go stampede a town hall meeting and demand higher profits for insurance companies or something. What a bunch of pathetic tools. You chumps get what you deserve.”
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/jesse-griffin-troubling-revelations.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51e3294970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51e3294970c
Or:
“The cluelessness of people like you is truly amazing. It’s like you’re standing on top of a pile of bodies and refusing to even acknowledge it because you’re so lost in your dopey wing-nut reverie. Wake up and smell the corpses.”
And later in the same thread:
“WBPE, the dishonesty and callousness of people like you is unacceptable when dealing when matters of life and death. Your attitude amounts to, “F*#k those losers who die because they can’t afford healthcare.”
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/07/democrats-no-thanks-on-public-option.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e201157127f102970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e201157127f102970c
And meanwhile, I have convincingly demonstrated that you ARE libeling other posters — and lying about it, such as you did with Anon and Mark.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/the-jessie-griffin-story-an-update.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51b452e970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e20120a51b452e970c
Not that it surprises us that you’re a complete and total hypocrite, Bob, but that you would walk into the example so easily demonstrates how totally unaware you are of the fact.
And I in fact challenge you to go whine to Riehl. I am more than happy to bring up even more evidence of your posting and what you are saying about other posters. Want to play that game?
It amkes me extremely uncomfortable, boggarting a thread this far off topic so this will be my last comment on this. I will answer your questions, Bob.
“BrideOfRove, is it your opinion, then, that Medicare should be repealed?”
Not repealed, phased out. It will be broke by 2018 and the solution to that is not bankrupting future generations in a futile effort to save it. The responsible thing to do is to transition it over to private, for profit, care and in order to do that the current checks and balances in place on private health care need to be overhauled. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid – these are all Progressive power grabs instituted under the lie of compassion to create a population more dependent on the Federal Government and more inclined to vote in the people who promise to protect and increase these entitlements. It’s a form of slavery socially and financially, it’s a Ponzi scheme that is at odds with the declining population. You can’t reverse 80 years of Progressive policies overnight, but we have to start somewhere before this country collapses completely into the arms of a monstrous hybrid of Socialism and Fascism.
“Even eliminating Medicare completely would not change anything on the costs front, would it?”
Eliminating Medicare would release money currently going to the government, where abuse and grift are rife, into the capitalist system where it has a chance of growing the GDP and sparking fresh innovations. Republicans have proposed quite a few focused bills designed to further unleash the market. Allow policies across state borders to increase competition. Limit Jury awards in malpractice. I’m sure the GOP has more on their website. As with any product, and medical care is a product, the price goes down when real competition is allowed. What we have now is a facsimile of a free market when it comes to health care.
“So the question is what to do about it. Nobody — certainly not the Republicans, who seem to offer only political posturing instead of serious proposals — has a magic solution that will immediately solve all of the problems. But it’s not a serious approach to say that doing nothing, or obstructing every good-faith attempt to reform the system, is a responsible approach either. The Republicans had the previous eight years to fix the system. But Bush’s only significant effort — tinkering with the Medicare prescription drug benefit — was a piecemeal approach that did nothing to solve the overall problem. Your side had its chance and they failed to make a significant difference. If fixing healthcare had been as important as fraudulent military adventures, I have no doubt something could have been accomplished. But it wasn’t, and now it’s someone else’s turn.”
It would be impossible for any government to undo 45 years of damage and socialized dependency and the political will to act has been sucked out of the squids in DC by special interests. But doing anything just to say you’ve done something is not the answer and I believe Obama is taking advantage of manufactured chaos for deconstructive purposes of his own. See above for two potential remedies. And the Republicans HAVE been putting forth ideas, they just don’t have the power right now to get heard. And yes, they wasted a wealth of opportunities over the one and a half terms they were in the majority. Compassionate Conservatism is an abject failure. Many of us went along with the neo-cons on the promise of a bigger base and what we’ve gotten is a tarnished image and the undoing of everything Reagan did for us to reverse course back to freedom.
Is that enough to cover your questions? Mike Church called my kind Paleo-cons. Hopefully we aren’t close to the tipping point of extinction. The other reason I answered your questions against my better judgement, because I suspect they were rhetorical, is to possibly find others out there who see these issues the way I do. I don’t comment much on any blogs but lately I’ve been thinking I needed to get out more before it’s too late.
“And I in fact challenge you to go whine to Riehl. I am more than happy to bring up even more evidence of your posting and what you are saying about other posters. Want to play that game?”
Time after time you’ve made me regret ever doing you the favor of responding to your posts. I always feel sullied by having been involved in one the ludicrous hate-fests that any “dialog” with you inevitably becomes. Once again I failed to follow my own good advice, and paid the price of having my dead family members abused and myself accused of being an unemployed deadbeat. I’ll try to go back to ignoring you now because you’re such a small, pathetic, hateful person that it’s as pointless as can be to even pay attention to you.
I know that you’ll continue with your obsessive stalking in the meantime, but I will at least put you on notice that I don’t want to see you invoking my family members in any of your rants and I don’t want you making up untrue things about me, like saying that I’m unemployed or that I lie about other posters. For now I’m not going to bother Dan, but you’re on notice.
“Time after time you’ve made me regret ever doing you the favor of responding to your posts.”
Yes, I’m sure you don’t much like being publicly humiliated by having your own hateful postings and outright lies exposed and demolished.
“Once again I failed to follow my own good advice, and paid the price of having my dead family members abused”
Yes, by saying that it was wrong that they who had worked their entire life and paid thousands of dollars in taxes for Medicare, should have their benefits taken away so that you, who sits on your parents’ couch all day, drinks beer, and says you’ll go looking for a job “tomorrow” can have free health insurance.
Then again, Obamacare is all about hastening the death of the elderly because they cost too much in health care and take up resources that welfare dependents like you could be using, Bob. Perhaps you consider it disparaging that I think they should be allowed to use and keep the benefits they have earned and for which they have paid and enjoy their lives, rather than being pushed into dying so that Obama doesn’t have to spend so much on them and can give it to you instead.
http://www.katu.com/news/26119539.html?video=YHI&t=a
“I know that you’ll continue with your obsessive stalking in the meantime, but I will at least put you on notice that I don’t want to see you invoking my family members in any of your rants and I don’t want you making up untrue things about me, like saying that I’m unemployed or that I lie about other posters.”
Or in other words, you are whining and screaming about how awful it would be if you were treated like you, your Barack Obama, and his other paid shills like Jesse Griffin have treated Sarah Palin.
Again, not that it surprises us that you’re a complete and total hypocrite, Bob, but that you would walk into the example so easily demonstrates how totally unaware you are of the fact.
“Is this appropriate content for a 49 year-old male kindergarten instructor in a somewhat smallish town to post under any circumstances?”
So you’re saying that he shouldn’t be allowed the freedom of speech allowed to others?
Are you saying that school teachers should never think ab out sex. You are accusing a man of pedophilia based on the fact he has sexual thoughts like any other human being and happens to work with children.
You’re despicable.
“So you’re saying that he shouldn’t be allowed the freedom of speech allowed to others?”
No, what he’s saying is that he is free to say what he wants, but whether or not that is appropriate language for someone who works around children to be using is an entirely different matter.
Or, put differently, are you saying that kindergarten teachers should make graphic sexual statements and refer to women as “c-nts” in front of kindergartners?
“Are you saying that school teachers should never think ab out sex.”
No, what he’s saying is that it is not appropriate for schoolteachers to post graphic and sexually-oriented material in places where students can easily locate it, especially when said material talks approvingly about teachers having sex with students or about teaching “his boys” to engage in sexual behaviors.
Indeed, had Jesse Griffin limited his actions to THINKING about sex, he wouldn’t have a problem. POSTING what he did to a public website for access by his students is what caused the problem.
Or, put differently, are you saying that kindergarten teachers should share their sexual fantasies in graphic detail with their students?
BrideOfRove, thanks for the straight answers. Since you were trying to crucify me in public only just this morning, I’m not sure I’m ready to let my guard down, but I do at least appreciate the calm and thoughtful tone, which is a nice change around here.
I’ve probably already hijacked this thread way too much — although it wasn’t me who started it — so I won’t belabor the point on healthcare. But let me just say that there are several strong arguments against a free market approach with healthcare. You might take a look at this short blog post by Krugman for a good example:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/
You can think about it until our next chance to debate, assuming that Riehl ever gets over the current tempest in a teapot he’s been obsessing about for the past several days.
I can’t read Krugman anymore. He is just so far off the deepend it makes me nuts. I’ll save the link for later – possibly.
“Since you were trying to crucify me in public only just this morning …”
If you are going to hang out on conservative blogs espousing liberal views you are going to have to grow a much thicker skin. I can’t even post one sentence on the liberal blogs before I am hunted down and slam danced all over the blogosphere. Your “name” and my “name” are already being searched on google together for some reason and I don’t think I’ve said anything all that controversial. It is very rare that I jump on a liberal in the comments especially on a strangers blog, but when I do there’s no doubt the person’s been thoroughly rolled. You? I barely whapped.
Riehl and McCain are exactly right on this Gryphn cretin. He needed to be dragged out of his hole and exposed for a lying, woman hating, libelous jerk — and he needs to be shut down. It’s one thing to heatedly rant politics, but the politics of personal destruction are intolerable on either side of the aisle.
It has been an interesting discussion, thanks.
Oh, come on, read the Krugman. It won’t hurt a bit. He makes his arguments strictly according to market principles and I don’t think mentions any despised concepts like “empathy” or “social justice” even once (just kidding).
I was also just teasing you when I referred to “crucify.” Seriously, after a typical interaction with another poster around here who shall for now remain nameless, the interaction was downright uplifting. No departed grandfathers were abused or anything. So no hard feelings. See you around. Take care . . .
Heartache: Blogger Who Made Up Palin Divorce Story Fired
He was a kindergarten teacher. Generally speaking, you don’t want your kindergarten teachers advocating porn. Alas, he was fired. Crocodile tears. Big wet crocodile tears….
“”Is Dan in love with Gryphen? How else to explain all this crap. …”
Then, given all the crap from Palin haters like yourself, should we assume you’re in love with her?”
Never assume, nd30…
I’m not a “Palin hater,” just someone who never believed she was all that. Plus, I have an ingrained intolerance for the ignorance she was so proud of displaying. But I get why you like her: “she’s so hot.” Personally, Paris Hilton’s got more brainpower than does Mrs. Palin.
You know what’s really funny, sauerkraut; if you actually knew anything about me, you would know that I’m gay, so there goes that theory.
And as far as “displaying ignorance” goes, you remind me of the snot-nosed kids from my hometown who would go off to college, come back and laugh at their parents and grandparents, and then be back begging for handouts from them in two years.
Palin has been dissed by people like yourself as ignorant throughout her entire career, even as she steamrollered over those people on the way to higher office. I think by now she’s figured out that those who call her ignorant are merely exhibiting it themselves.
So masturbation and pornography are illegal then?