McGates?
I don't know, would that be the Irish thing?
Henry Louis Gates Jr., the black professor at the center of the racial story involving his arrest outside his Harvard University-owned house, has spoken proudly of his Irish roots.
Ah, the media is letting us know that we are all one. That we must heal. But what they are really interested in is putting to bed a story that has been damaging their messiah. So, we have to realize the big picture. Get it?
It's fine. It's an interesting fact. But it has nothing to do with an elitist jerk from Harvard and possible charity fraudster with a temper that Obama didn't have the good sense to keep his mouth shut about in a press conference.
They must save him at any costs, don't you know? It's their credibility as much as his that's on the line due to their betrayal of their craft in the run up to the election. To hell with them. They deserve to hang for their pathetic performance.
Gates said that he was horrified to learn that he was 54% white. Imagine if a white professor said something similar. They would be fired yesterday.
Whenever Obama comes up against someone from the real world (Joe the Plumber, Sgt Crowley) he comes off second best. Tells us something about the quality of “representation”.
I’m still looking for the Sgt Crowley quote in all those MSM stories about the supposed Gates-Obama-Crowley meet on Thursday at the WH. So far there are none to be found. Wonder if it’ll come off? Just about 35 hours to go.
I’m thinking it’s hard for Crowley to decline, assuming he even wanted to. My bet is, he gets played for being responsible for all this.
Chicago’s Mayor Daley said that Obama should have collected the facts before opening his mouth. “President Obama should have gathered the facts first before commenting on Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.’s encounter with Cambridge, Mass. police, Mayor Daley said Saturday, wading into the controversy.”
I heard that big O purposely said what he said. Was this a set-up between him and the reporter, a pre-arranged question?
Time for your rabies shot there, Chuck.
The time has come for real American’s to take our country back from these liars, cheats, crooks, thieves, and mobsters, and incompetent idiots running this country now.
The entire congress needs to be kicked to the curb and “that one” needs to resign or should be impeached and go live elsewhere on this planet. It is Obvious that he hates America and anyone and everyone that does not agree with him. he favors his kind of thinking folks and to hell with the rest of us.
He has done nothing but pay back all who supported him and donated to his campaign.
He has turned America upside down in only 6 months. What the hell will it look like after 4 years. Gasp…I can only imagine.
The man is not qualified to do his job. He is childish and immature.
Like a kid in a candy store.
He has no clue about running a country. He has placed his mob friends in all corners of government and has given them the task of running America. They are ALL incompetent and have no idea what the hell they are doing.
CAP AND TAX IS BS.
HEALTH CARE IS FINE LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE.
These bills must not pass.
I know that there are people out there that truly cannot afford healthcare and they should be the only ones set up in some kind of new coverage. That is all that needs to done to healthcare with the exception of all the corruption that goes on with fake claims and fake charges. That can be taken care of with the right people in place to oversee it.
Illegals should not be included. People who can afford health care coverage but do not want it because they would rather have that big screen or that New Suv or a few more 6 packs should be made to buy it or be fined.
This health care crap the way it is written must fail.
ENOUGH SAID.I am mad as hell.
I’ll be damned if government will tell my mom she must take a pain pill and deal with it and when it gets too damn bad hospice will come and see to her. Screw that.
I wonder if Obama or Gates will ask Crowley why he lied on the police report.
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In his police report, arresting officer Sergeant James Crowley wrote that woman who reported the suspected break-in “went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be two black males with backpacks on the porch of Ware Street.”
Attorney Wendy Murphy, who represents the 911 caller Lucia Whalen, said her client never spoke with arresting officer Sgt. James Crowley at the scene.
“Whalen’s lawyer [...] said yesterday her client’s only contact with Crowley was fleeting, with Whalen saying ‘Excuse me, I’m the one who called,’ and the Cambridge cop replying, ‘Stay right there,’”
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http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/28/fox-legal-analyst-gates-arrest-was-improper/
you know I don’t think wbestPresidentEver believes what he is saying. I think he is a true troll. He is staying extremely stupid and inflammatory things in the guise of a conservative to bring scorn on derision on your side of the aisle. Even his name is a giveaway. How many of you here thing W was the “best president ever”? hmmmm? Why aren’t they rest of you calling him out? I get attacked all the time for my views, fair enough, but this guy is using deception to make you all look like a bunch of assholes. Truly, I’m on your side on this one.
I hear you, WBestPresidentEver. What is currently angering me is this administration’s cavalier treatment of Honduras. I never thought I would see the day that our country would throw over all belief in the rule of law and freedom for the platitudes and machinations of the hard-core leftist here and in Latin America. This is a dark day for the United States of America. It is becoming ever clearer that we are in the grips of a concerted global socialist effort and that something must be done.
And, Slide, STFU! As usual, you do not know what you are talking about. Personally, I think you are simply mentally disturbed and should seek therapy.
OH, right… praising “Irish”. Was gates drinking Bushmills at the time? [Joke Dan! A silly drinking joke!!]
Does “Slide” also post as “Chuck” to make this site look bad?
“It is becoming ever clearer that we are in the grips of a concerted global socialist effort and that something must be done.”
Oh, and what might that be? To work hard, and try to win elections again, or do it the “Honduras” way? hmmmmm.
VIVA REVOLUTION TEABAGGERS
“McGates”?
More like oooooooooh, Henry.
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I have nothing to do with Chuck. He’s all your’s apparently. Enjoy
Dan? per Lala…
Who is the bigot called “Chuck”? Does “Chuck” share the IP of any other known bigoted “contributors”?
“Chuck” rather sounds like the bigoted jackass who quipped that Jews vote for “anti-Semitic Democrats”, words to that effect.
I don’t know if you have ban policies in place, but I truly will not miss either bigot.
Lala…
It wasn’t a pre-arranged question and response so much as TOTUS putting words into the mouth of a man who’s IQ is “through the roof.” O-Oh got rid of the radio ear-prompter after the campaign because it told him that there were 57 States [plus Hawai'i and Alaska] and that inflating our tires could off-set his inflated ego…
Clearly, The Won is being maliciously betrayed now by TOTUS as well. He may actually have to return to ad-lib where is natural intelligence can, er, just SHINE for us all to admire.
TOTUS told POTUS that Hirohito surrendered to MacArthur.
“”Chuck” rather sounds like the bigoted jackass who quipped that Jews vote for “anti-Semitic Democrats”, words to that effect.”
I don’t think mark would be so blatant as this Chuck fellow.
but while we are on the topic of right wing racists, did you get a load of Glen Beck?
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“This morning on Fox and Friends, Glenn Beck said he thinks Pres. Barack Obama has “a deep-seeded hatred for white people.” Brian Kilmeade questioned him on it, but Beck persisted: . . .I’m saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist.”
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/fnc_responds_to_glenn_beck_calling_pres_obama_a_racist_122881.asp
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boy ring wingers love to throw around the racist don’t they? So Obama, who had a white mother and who was raised by his white grandmother has “a deep-seeded hatred for white people” ?
Guy, you’re losing it. The election of an African-American has sent some on the right over the edge. Wow….
I don’t think Obama is “racist” per se, but I think he has some of the same negative, ingrained attitudes about ‘white society’ as the majority of other blacks in this country; namely, RACE and RACISM is the first thing that comes to mind when there is a problem between blacks and whites.
The Rev. Wright, his spiritual mentor, has now been proven to be a racist beyond any doubt. Why would it then be surprising that Obama, having a racist spiritual mentor with an obvious anti white bias, would hold some anti white bias himself?
Obama looks black and he identifies as black, the fact that he was raised by white people certainly mitigates to some degree those prejudices and enables him to better relate to white society, but it doesn’t erase it…which is made obvious by his choice of friends and colleagues.
Many people are ‘losing it’ over Obama, not because he is black, but because he is surpassing almost everyone but the nuts who think he’s a closet muslim with his tax and spend approach to everything.
Obama himself praised his “typical white” grandmother in glowing, er, appreciative… um… patently, openly racist terms. Glenn Beck – unlike his mindless critics on the Left – supports his claim with recordings and quotes from Obama and Michelle themselves – primary source, in-context data. Crap like “white-man’s greed runs a world in need.”
While the Left feigns incredulity and bullshittingly suggests that it is “the right” gone too far, Obama has just delivered his “macaca” moment. They know it. The majority of Americans know it, as the polls are showing.
As the limpness of The Won’s defenders show, it sure sucks to have bought into “Hope and Change.”
don’t get me wrong. I hope that the right continues in this vein. Call Obama a racist. Tell the world that you think he “hates white people”. Continue telling us that he is both a Socialist AND a Fascist. Tell us why he is illegitimate as the President because he wasn’t born in the USA. Let us in on the fact that he is a secret Muslim. It’s all good as far as I am concerned.
But you do know it’s wacky, wacky stuff don’t you? Or maybe you don’t. Perhaps it is because all you do is shout into the echo chamber. You listen to Rush and Hannity, read your Mark Levin’s and Ann Coulters, blog on Riehl and LGF and you have somehow deluded yourself into thinking that that is reality and that most of the country agrees with you. They don’t. Not even a little. So, please continue in your quest to be as relevant as the Whig Party.
don’t get me wrong. I hope that the President continues in this vein. Calls his Grandma a “typical white” racist. Calls cops “stupid.” Tells us why he is legitimate as the President even though he denies access to standard public documents a typical job interview requires that even *I* had to fess-up. Tells private citizens that only He stands between them and ACORN “pitchforks.”
It’s all good as far as I am concerned. “Wacky, wacky” perhaps, though useful for establishing and understanding of His core values, sure. “Macaca moment” on steroids.
“There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
Booker T. Washington, 1911.
Slide,
Bone up on your English. There’s no such expression as “deep-seeded”. It is “deep-seated”. Tennis players may be seeded, but not feelings.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-tanking-%E2%80%94-is-it-the-jobs-or-is-it-him/
“… you have somehow deluded yourself into thinking that that is reality and that most of the country agrees with you.” Tell that to Zogby.
“By what do we mean the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the Revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The Revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected, from 1760 to 1775, in the course of fifteen years before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. The records of thirteen legislatures, the pamphleteers, newspapers in all the colonies, ought to be consulted during that period to ascertain the steps by which the public opinion was enlightened and informed concerning the authority of Parliament over the colonies.” – John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, 1815
This war will be fought with Tea Parties and ballots. How’s that “Hope and Change” working out, eh?
“Bone up on your English. There’s no such expression as “deep-seeded”. It is “deep-seated”. Tennis players may be seeded, but not feelings.”
It was a cut and paste quote from your friend Glen Beck. I’ll forward your grammatical correction to him if you wish. But thanks for the help. Won’t know what to do without you.
“How’s that “Hope and Change” working out, eh?”
Really, really good. After eight long years I feel we finally have an adult in the White House that actually understands complex issues and is working his ass off to improve the country. Do I approve of every single thing? Of course not. I never would agree with anyone 100%, but in whole, I love what he is doing. I especially love the way he makes his critics insane.
I think the country agrees as well. The very latest Fox poll:
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. July 21-22, 2009. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
“I’m going to read you the names of several individuals and institutions. Please tell me whether you have a generally favorable or unfavorable opinion of each one. If you’ve never heard of an individual or institution, please just say so. Barack Obama.”
Favorable 62%
Unfavorable 33%
Unsure 5%
Link to Fox poll referenced above
http://www.pollingreport.com/obama_fav.htm
“But you do know it’s wacky, wacky stuff don’t you?”
Not really.
“White and Kinney both testified Kilpatrick used the F-word in describing them while urging his security detail to get them off the porch. They said the mayor also made racial remarks about her and White.
“You’re a black woman,” Kinney quoted the mayor as telling her. “You should be ashamed of yourself being with a man with the last name white. You should not be a part of this.”
White is white. Kinney and Kilpatrick are black. “He was very, very angry,” Kinney told the court.”
http://www.wwj.com/pages/2788316.php?
You see, Slide, leftists like yourself see nothing wrong with that exchange. In fact, your Barack Obama supports and endorses it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNvC_-RW2Q
Just like you and Obama thought the anti-Semitic and racist stylings of Reverend Jeremiah Wright were normal for twenty-plus years. Just like how both you and Obama endorse people who unapologetically kill police officers, like Bill Ayers, to teach public school students.
However, I don’t believe that the vast majority of Americans believe, as do you and Barack Obama, that a black woman should be “ashamed” for investigating the criminal activity of a black man and riding in a car with a white man, or “God damn America”, or that the “Jews” are what cause all of society’s problems, or that blowing up a police station and killing police officers is acceptable behavior.
What you fail to understand is that “working one’s ass off to improve the country” means nothing. Bush thought he was improving the country, too. I grant you that Obama is intellectually much more engaged than Bush was, but so what?
Good intentions do not equal a good outcome. High intelligence does not equal a good outcome. The only thing that can come close to guaranteeing a good outcome is a GOOD PLAN that is based in facts and historical precedent.
On this score, Obama fails miserably.
The health care plan is doomed to failure because it does not address the cost issue in a meaningful way, Obama knows this and so do all the Democrats in Congress, but they don’t care because they also know that once you put a new bureaucracy in place and you can hide the costs with accounting tricks, it will be EASY to kick the hard decisions down the road another 20 years or so.
The stimulus is not working as advertised, again, as anyone who was not an idealogue first could have told you and did tell you, there was not enough “stimulus” in the stimulus plan to create millions of jobs in an 18 month period. There is even significant disagreement among real economists as to whether the New Deal had anything to do w/the country getting out of the recession, which is the ONLY thing in history that comes close to supporting a Keynesian view of the markets.
TARP is an abject failure, with so far billions going to banks, billions more printed up by the Feds and still NOTHING done on the toxic assets and no new regulations for banking. And yes, I know that TARP was a Bush plan, but it was wholeheartedly endorsed by Obama and he has been administering it, with the only tweaks being the stupid and unconstitutional idea of cutting people’s salaries…how pathetic, a trillion dollars gone down a black hole and the government wants to put in place a pay scale? WTF.
Now, I disagree w/most conservatives in that I agree with Obama’s ME policies and stance, though I do think he’s cowtowed too much to the Russians.
Anon…. I appreciate your response which, while I disagree with, at least is rational unlike ND30′s which suggests that I support blowing up police stations and killing cops. This to someone that spent 20 years in a police uniform. How does one even respond to nonsense like that?
But back to your post. I agree that good intentions do not guarantee a good outcome. I also agree (and this may surprise you) that I thought George Bush had good intentions. I think he loves his country and he was doing what he thought best. I think he was wrong, but I never demonized him and said that he intentionally wanted to harm America. I know Obama loves his country as well but that seems to be under constant attack by some on the right (ND30 for one).
So we can disagree as to whether his polices would be good or bad for the country. But even that is not a simple answer. ANY policy can be good for some people and bad for others, but one has to try and find a path that serves the “common good”. Easier said than done.
You can’t say the stimulus is a failure. It is way too early for that. And how could you know what would have happened without the stimulus. It’s easy to point to bad economic data and say it didn’t work but he was left with a HUGE crisis. Financial Meltdown. Remember all the talk about a Depression? You dont’ hear that anymore now do you. And Newsweek just said the Recession is over. I’m not so sure, I think we still have major problems but things could be a hell of a lot worse.
Health Care Reform will happen. In what form I have not a clue. The legislative process is not a pretty thing to watch. I’ll hold judgment until we see the final product. I think it would be wise for those on the right to do the same. Attacking something that doesn’t even exist yet seems somewhat reflexively.
TARP is another thing you declare a failure. Not so sure. I HATED giving these scum sucking banks taxpayer dollars. But it may have been the only thing we could have done to prevent a complete credit meltdown that would have far reaching ramifications on Main Street. Oh, and it started under the Republican administration if I’m not mistaken.
I’ll debate policy all day long and I think there are people of good faith on both sides of the argument. What I can’t tolerate is the suggestion that Obama is the devil incarnate. It just is a conversation stopper. Where can anyone go from there?
TARP is a failure because it has addressed only symptoms and not causes, Geither is as inside and old boy as you can get, so why anyone expects anything but a bail out of Wall Street on the front end and nothing on the back end is beyond me. The toxic assets are still on the books and they will be worthless for decades until housing prices can come back to where they were during the bubble. The leverage bets and credit default swaps are still out there. It doesn’t matter who started TARP because Obama has embraced it in all of its hellish stupidity.
It is somewhat disingenious for you to say how terrible it is for Obama to be demonized when Bush was called a Nazi, evil, war criminal and so forth, openly, I think he was even burned in effigy at several rallies, no? So what is the difference, here? It is either wrong to call names or it isn’t.
My opinion is that my view of ‘the common good’ is very differnet from yours and from Obama’s. My view of the common good is the smallest possible government safety net and the largest possible field of opportunity. I do not agree with wealth confiscation or wealth redistribution. I do not believe that “equality” in all things is achievable or desirable. Equality in all things leads you to Soviet Russia, drab, poor, backwards, fearful.
This is the central problem with liberalism is that it relies on all emotion. OMG there are poor people, OMG there are sick people.OMG some peole are rich and others are poor. OMG WE HAVE TO FIX THIS..and then we are off to the races with some crack pot top down government scheme that never, I repeat, never works. Human beings are individuals, some are smart, talented and driven, some are not. While we can do our best to make sure the door is open to all the smart, talented individuals regardless of their origin, we cannot change the flip side that there are dumb, talentless, lazy people who will never succeed no matter how much taxpayer largess you squander on them. You either have to accept that there will always be a bottom and a top with the best case scenario being an ability to move up or down based on merit or you condemn EVERYONE to mediocrity.
I am a big believer in Occam’s Razor and when I apply Occam’s Razor to most Democratic policies, they come up woefully short. The IDEAL and the GOAL do not mesh with the REALITY. We’ve steadily increased per pupil spending on public education for going on 40 years, yet no progress. This tells me that the problem is not money but something else, Occam’s Razor…decades of increased spending has produced failure so we must look to something else as the cause. Yet this basic common sense approach is lacking among most liberals.
Same with health care. Medicare and Medicaid are terribly run and inefficient and fail to produce any improvements in their patients when compared to private insurance. Thus, there is no reason to believe that the government, doing a bad job with the health care that it does manage, will do a better job with more responsibility. It makes no sense on its face. That doesn’t mean private insurance is doing a good job on cost control, they’re not. But it does mean that the “fix” that is on the table is not going to fix cost, it isn’t even trying to fix cost, that makes it a sham and a fraud.
“Anon…. I appreciate your response which, while I disagree with, at least is rational unlike ND30′s which suggests that I support blowing up police stations and killing cops. This to someone that spent 20 years in a police uniform.”
Correction; it is to someone who claims to have spent 20 years in a police uniform, yet uniformly states that cops are corrupt racists, who says that cops always cover up crimes and bad behavior by other cops, and who supports and endorses Barack Obama and Bill Ayers, who supports blowing up police stations and killing police officers.
There are plenty of veterans out there who hate the military and also happen to be liberals. I wonder if Slide’s story is the same?
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12373595
That was hilarious enough, but this one had to take the cake.
“I think he was wrong, but I never demonized him and said that he intentionally wanted to harm America.”
http://semiskimmed.net/bushhitler.html
http://nyc.indymedia.org/or/2005/09/56901.html
http://www.hicktownpress.com/george-bush-buys-house-in-racist-texas-neighborhood/
Just for the record, I will no longer respond to ND30′s comments as they are inane beyond words. I’m trying to remain civil as per Dan’s request but if I get into a back in forth with ND30 I would not be able to contain myself. But.. before I put him on permanent ignore let me just say this.
North Dallas 30, you are probably the biggest fucking asshole I have ever encountered in the blogosphere. Congratulations on your achievement, you certainly were in some tough competition. Adieu my friend.
Grow up, Slide. Why are you even on this blog? I find the conservatives here intelligent, reasoning adults enjoying their discussions with each other, considering various solutions to the pressing problems we face…and now and then all of us are amused by the rantings of whatever leftist happens by. On the other hand, we occasionally find a ranter — such as yourself — who far overstays his visit. To put it succinctly: you are an ignorant twit. Why don’t you slither on back to twitsville, aka daily kos?
Hey North Dallas,
“… you are probably the biggest fucking asshole I have ever encountered in the blogosphere” and your mommy dresses you funny, poo-poo head!
Slide, no worries; everyone here is laughing at the hilarity of someone like yourself who regularly calls people things like a “piece of dog excrement” babbling about “remaining civil”.
Meanwhile, I’m used to you ignoring and refusing to respond to facts that are critical of your Barack Obama or Obama Party, so you’ve already been ignoring and refusing to respond to the vast majority of my posts anyway. Now I can point out your racist, bigoted, and anti-police views without having to worry about you cluttering up the board or wasting bandwidth with your poo-flinging comments.
“Grow up, Slide. Why are you even on this blog?”
For the same reason you are. I am passionate about my politics. I love this country and I want to see it move in the right direction (opposite from where you want to take it). So I express myself, state my views, refute things that I think are wrong. Contribute to the dialogue. I am also fascinated by the current state of the GOP and right wing. I personaly think you guys are going off the deep end. It’s kinda like watching a slow motion train wreck. I think this is a rather unique time historically. And I believe in participation. Sorry if it offends you but do you REALLY only want to hear from people that agree with you? Isn’t that… rather….. closed minded of you? and boring? I think that is one of the biggest problems with where we are. Liberals are immersed in their liberal world.. and you guys have your echo chamber. It’s not healthy.
Why are you so threatened by opposing viewpoints?
“Why are you so threatened by opposing viewpoints?”
Ah, the irony of the little boy who just threw a screaming temper tantrum saying that he was going to ignore opposing viewpoints trying to accuse others of being afraid of them.
Meanwhile, Philip, Slide has already stated the reason he is here, which is to antagonize conservatives and Republicans. The problem is that he never expected to have to confront the lies of his own party and the racism of his own Barack Obama, which is why he runs screaming away from my posts.
LOL! How true, North Dallas Thirty, how true.
I would so love to be at that little beer party tomorrow. I bet Crowley comes out saying all kinds of nice things about Obama. What are the wingnuts going to do then? Going to be interesting. I would like to hear what people think will happen after the meeting? Any opinions?
I think it was stupid of Obama to make the offer because it extends this story…which has no positives for anyone but the professional race baiters on every side…for another full week. Crowley won’t apologize and say he lied; Gates won’t apologize and say he lied.
Crowley has shown himself to be pretty good at keeping his foot out of his mouth, so I suspect he will say something along the lines of how great it was to meet the president and that he wishes the whole event had turned out differently. I don’t think he will apologize and I think at this point that Gates having seen the story somewhat turn from being wholly supportive of his narrative to now lukewarm…will say he hopes Crowley learned something positive about racial profiling and then blab some more about his future documentary.
But there is always the potential that it will go south and turn into another dust up, which would then extend the story that has zero benefit to Obama the president for another week. It was a stupid move to invite them for a beer because both men are now prisoners of their own narrative and comments, neither can soften their story without being called out as liars.
“Crowley has shown himself to be pretty good at keeping his foot out of his mouth”
the reason I think Crowley will be contrite is that there seems to be some huge discrepancies in his official police report that has come to light. If I were him, I would hope the whole thing blows over and he can slink into obscurity again. He isn’t the victim in this whole thing despite the blatherings of the right wing blogosphere, and if he plays that card, it might end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy.
None other than the Fox judicial analyst, who is a former judge said 1) the arrest was improper and 2) Gates did not have a valid reason to enter the home. Two potential very real problems for Crowley.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/28/fox-legal-analyst-gates-arrest-was-improper/
The arrest was definitely improper, but to say that the officer did not have a valid reason to enter the home when he was responding to a 911 call of a possible burglary in process is NONSENSE. I don’t believe you were ever a police officer, sorry.
The only discrepancy I see is that his report says he was responding to a call about two black males possibly breaking into the house and Whalen never ID’d anyone as black in the 911 call.
Other than that the only ‘discrepancies’ are between what Crowley says and what Gates says…The radio dispatch record supports everything else in his report that can be verified: he tells them Gates is uncooperative and he tells them he thinks Gates is the owner but that the guy is acting weird…
All the cops on the scene back him up and at least one if not two witnesses back him up that Gates was loud and aggitated.
“I bet Crowley comes out saying all kinds of nice things about Obama. What are the wingnuts going to do then?”
The same thing that’s been done ever since Crowley mentioned that he voted for Obama — which is to show how, given the choice between a) a police officer who was doing his job and was supported by innumerable other officers both inside and outside his department of every race, color, and creed and b) a screaming black racist tax cheat with a history of inflammatory and hateful behavior towards white people, Obama chooses the latter.
In short, conservatives and normal people have supported Crowley even though he voted for Obama, and leftists and police-haters like Obama and Slide have attacked Crowley viciously and completely, calling him a racist, a hatemonger, an incompetent, a fool, and a criminal, despite the fact that he voted for Obama.
That’s because conservatives are following a principle; liberals like Slide are merely repeating their insane ideological view that the black man is always right and the white man is always wrong.
” but to say that the officer did not have a valid reason to enter the home when he was responding to a 911 call of a possible burglary in process is NONSENSE”
the home is inviolate in the US Constitution. A governmental official can only enter with a warrant or if there is probable cause that there is exigent circumstances. Hey, don’t believe me, believe Judge Napolitano, the FOX News legal analist. Or maybe you don’t believe he was a judge either. I love when civilians that don’t have a clue about the law lecture me who lived with these restrictions on a day to day basis. Read and learn anon:
“Additionally, Napolitano said, it was illegal for the police to enter the house to begin with, as the source of the report did not pass legal muster to constitute probable cause.”
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/28/fox-legal-analyst-gates-arrest-was-improper/
“The only discrepancy I see is that his report says he was responding to a call about two black males possibly breaking into the house and Whalen never ID’d anyone as black in the 911 call”
no, the report didn’t say “he was responding to a call about two black males. . . ” the report said that Ms. Whalen told him that there were two black males breaking into the house with backpacks when she told him nothing of the sort. Made up of whole cloth. So we are supposed to believe now that Gates said something about “your momma”? Once the creditability of a report is questioned everything is suspect.
I’m sorry, it is LAUGHABLE that you claim you were a police officer.
I do not believe there is a judge in this country, maybe other than Napolitano, who would say that a police officer who was responding to a 911 call of a possible burglary in progress could not go into the house to determine if the person inside the house was or was not the owner or a criminal or that even perhaps the resident was being held hostage by unseen invaders.
What is it that police are supposed to do when they get a call of a b&e in progress and they show up and find someone in the house? Are they supposed to say ‘hey, do you live here, oh you do, okay, bye’ or are they supposed to ask for ID and then hope the person inside doesn’t go into the next room and get a gun and start shooting?
This is why Crowley asked Gates to STEP OUTSIDE. So he could contain the situation the way his training told him to, and if you were really any kind of LE you would already know that.
Also, he was not arrested inside his house, he was arrested outside of his house, but on his own property, which is what legally makes it plausible to arrest him for disorderly conduct.
“What is it that police are supposed to do when they get a call of a b&e in progress and they show up and find someone in the house? Are they supposed to say ‘hey, do you live here, oh you do, okay, bye’”
When the person that is inside the house is 58 years old, with a cane, and tells you he is the resident and produces identification? yeah
You know cops have to take EVERYTHING into consideration when trying to determine if they have “probable cause” to take action. It’s not a black and white sort of thing but what a reasonable person should assume from the totality of the circumstances.
what were the circumstances? Someone calls and says she see two males forcing their way into the house. She also says they have LUGGAGE with them. (which Crowley conveniently lied in his police report to call “backpacks” wonder why he did that?) When the officer arrives at the house he see’s Mr. Gates, the aforementioned 58 year old, physically challenged professor who probably told him that he lived there in not so calm tones. Maybe he said, ” I FUCKING LIVE HERE ASSHOLE” I don’t know. But no matter how that was conveyed, I think a REASONABLE person, with police training, would NOT have “probable cause” to think that their was an exigent circumstance to warrant entry into the home.
Remember for a cop to enter a home without a warrant there has to exigent circumstances. Not just that he is investigating a possible crime like so many people have said, but exigent circumstance.
Let me repeat that because so many of you keep repeating that the officer was legitimately investigating a crime. That is NOT the standard that would allow an officer to enter someone’s home. EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES must exist:
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http://www.answers.com/topic/exigent-circumstances
An exigent circumstance, in the American law of criminal procedure, allows law enforcement to enter a structure without a warrant, or if they have a “knock and announce” warrant, without knocking and waiting for refusal under certain circumstances. It must be a situation where people are in imminent danger, evidence faces imminent destruction, or a suspect will escape.
An emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect, or destruction of evidence. There is no ready litmus test for determining whether such circumstances exist, and in each case the extraordinary situation must be measured by the facts known by officials.
People v. Ramey, 545 P.2d 1333,1341 (Cal. 1976).
United States v. McConney, 728 F.2d 1195, 1199 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 824 (1984):
“Those circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of a suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.”
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was there probable cause to believe entering would be necessary to prevent harm to anyone? NO
that evidence would be destroyed? NO
That the 58 year old with a cane would escape? NO
I, and Judge Napolitano, do not believe that there was exigent circumstances as defined by law. Believe what you want but to use your words, it is laughable, when people without a clue spout their opinions without even knowing what the law says.
Like I said, there is 0% chance you ever were a police officer or worked for the police in any capacity.
It is self-evident given the circumstances that there was sufficient probable cause to enter the home.
Plus you don’t know whether the dispatcher said “suitcases” or “backpacks” when he called it in, as to my ears, the dispatcher didnt’ sound too bright in the 911 call…so no one outside of CPD knows what the dispatcher told the police when HE radioed it in.
If you’ve ever played telephone you know how the details change from person to person, even when the people playing aren’t cops or racists or even race baiters.
anon: “it is self-evident given the circumstances that there was sufficient probable cause to enter the home.”
Just saying it doesn’t make it so anon. Any entering into a home without a warrant is PRESUMED to be UNREASONABLE under the Fourth Amendment. The burden is on the government to show that there were “exigent circumstances” for a warrantless entering. I listed those exigent circumstances that have been framed through case law over the years. So you will have to show me where you believe probable cause existed to believe that any one of the above exceptions was in play.
Judge Napolitano is no liberal and he gets paid by Fox news. I’m sure the network was none too pleased by his analysis. He has been a judge for years. Why do you think you know more than him? Judges deal with Fourth Amendment issues all the time. Search and seizure is one of the most contentious issues. There is a HUGE amount of case law on the subject of which you are obviously ignorant.
Just think if it weren’t so. Scenario: I am a cop. I think you are a drug dealer. I think you have drugs in the house but I don’t have sufficient evidence to get a warrant to search (one needs probable cause to get a warrant). What would stop an unscrupulous police officer from calling an anonymous call into 911 claiming someone is breaking into your house and then use that call to enter and search. Courts are not stupid. They require more. The officer has to articulate in the Suppression Hearing that would surely follow such a seizure why it was an EMERGENCY and what the EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES were to think it was an emergency. If the officer can’t, the evidence is thrown out and bad guy goes free. Happens all the time.
For people that constantly scream about tyranny, I find it amazing that you want the government to have such authority to enter your home on such flimsy situations.
And anon, I’m getting tired of you saying that you don’t think I’m a cop. FU. If you send me your email address (through Dan if you wish) I can prove it to you conclusively. So put up or shut up.
This isn’t a hypothetical case, it is a case where not an unscrupulous police officer, but a witness called 911 to report a possible break-in. That is your exegent circumstance right there. The duty of the officer is to determine if a break-in occured and whether or not there is any safety risk to anyone in the house.
OMG search and seizure has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS because nothing was searched or seized so there is no evidence that was obtained without a warrant, nothing to be suppressed.
Plus, the officer entered the house because the suspect/homeowner REFUSED TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECTION AND STEP OUTSIDE. And you know what, if the cops get a call from someone who thinks they see someone breaking into my house, YES I want them to come to the house and check it out, I don’t want to them to assume anything based on my age or race and I sure as HELL do not want them to do a lazy half assed job that might result in me appearing to be alone while the burglars are in the next room holding a gun to my head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your own stupid ‘case law’ provides the answer: the suspect might have escaped out the back door, destroyed evidence or otherwise frustrated the legitimate law enforcement effort of determing whether a crime had occured, whether the man in the house was the home owner and if so, whether he was in any danger.
There is no legal issue here.
If Crowley had entered the house and then busted gates for having a joint on the table, THEN you might have a case and then the case law you cited would have relevance.
In this case, it is totally irrelevant. Also, Napolitano, like most pundits and talking heads gets some of his facts wrong, e.g. Gates was not arrested IN HIS OWN HOME.
I’m sorry to say but you do not know what you are talking about, you do not know how to interpret case law and apply it to this situation and you are really silly to be considering as gospel what any talking head/pundit says on TV because after long viewing I know for a fact that they do not do any research and they say whatever they think off the top of their head, you cannot rely on what these guys say on the TeeVee.
anon proclaiming his ignorance to every one in CAPS no less: “OMG search and seizure has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS ”
you are so stupid it hurts. It has EVERYTHING to do with Search and Seizure. A police officer entering into someone’s home is considered a “search” and as such is governed by the Fourth Amendment (Search and Seizure).
Fourth Amendment: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
You are clueless anon. Totally clueless. Listen you need to do some more research before you make a complete fool of yourself. I dealt with Search and Seizure issues on a regular basis. Very complicated area of the law and I won’t expect a civilian like you to understand the complexities. When can you search a car? Can you open the trunk? When can you enter a house? when can you search a person’s pockets. Tons and tons of case law that is always evolving. Police officer need constant training in this area because of the changing nature of the different possible scenarios that come up from time to time. And it is all based on the 4th Amendment and how it is interpreted by the courts.
Now I don’t mind giving you a civics lesson but really, you need to do some better preparation in the future. Now go back to your little world where cops can do anything they want at any time to citizens and you’ll be happier.
Oh, btw, Napolitano is not a ‘pundit’. He is a retired judge that Fox has hired to interpret legal issues that are in the news. Now that you don’t agree with him, he is just some talking head? And Napolitano said the arrest was improper because Gates was ON HIS PROPERTY… not in his home as you mischaracterized what he said. Disorderly Conduct is a public crime requiring the perpetrator to be acting in public.
“ou know cops have to take EVERYTHING into consideration when trying to determine if they have “probable cause” to take action. It’s not a black and white sort of thing but what a reasonable person should assume from the totality of the circumstances.”
Which Crowley did. He answered a 911 call of a possible burglary, he entered the house on that suspicion, he asked for ID and noted the extreme agitation of the suspect and, to remove the possibility of the suspect potentially harming anyone else or escaping, asked the suspect to come outside.
The fake policeman Slide, on the other hand, would never have noted the extreme agitation of the subject because black people are always freaking out and calling whites racists, would never have questioned the person in the house because black people are always right, would never have entered the house because the police can never do so under any circumstances, and would never have answered the call in the first place because the caller was obviously a racist.
What this all boils down to, Slide, is that you are attacking and smearing everyone in the case except the two idiots who caused the problem — Gates, for freaking out and screaming racist, and Barack Obama, who declared that the police were all racist. According to you, Crowley, the 911 dispatcher, the witnesses, Crowley’s fellow police officers, and everyone else is wrong, racist, and out to get Henry Gates and Barack Obama.
You yourself make it obvious that you are not considering the entire situation. You made a snap judgment based on race and political ideology. Your constant doing so makes it obvious that you were never a police officer.
Meanwhile, Slide, post your proof. Why? Are you afraid of having revealed to other “police officers” what you believe and how you support racists like Gates who namecall and attack police officers?
Sorry, Slide, you are not fooling me. I am not the one making a fool of myself but you are.
Disorderly conduct charges do not require a person to be on public property, but to be in public, in view of the public, creating a public disturbance…so if you are creating a public disturbance on your own property you are going to be arrested. It doesn’t matter that you are on your own property but whether or not your behavior fits the statutory description of disordery conduct, which as EVERYONE, apparently, but you, knows is a grab bag of vague descriptions designed to give police a lot of discretion in diffusing situations in public.
If your “view” of the law were correct then that would mean that police cannot enter a home without permission when they suspect a crime in progress and that is TOTALLY INSANE. It would mean that when Gates refused to step outside or show his ID that Crowley was supposed either go home or wait outside for something else to happen.
If a 911 call from a witness saying she saw what could be a buglary in progress is not probable cause for the officer to enter the home to confirm whether or not the person(s) within are the legal residents or criminals, and to verify that there are no intruders in the home…then probable cause has no meaning.
And again, I do not believe you were a police officer because no cop in his right or wrong mind would ever advocate for what you are advocating, which is that the police have to stay outside when they have reason to believe there is a crime in progress. That is beyond stupid.
its not a question of me “advocating” anything anon. It’s well establised law. The scenario presented was NOT probable cause. No way. No how. And even if the officer did have Probable Cause that a crime was committed that, as I have repeatedly try to explain to you, is not the standard. But I am tired of explaining this to someone that has his mind made up, and who has no experience or knowledge in this kind of law. You don’t understand the concept of “probable cause”. You don’t understand the concept of “exigent circumstances”. Hell, you didn’t even know this was a Search and Seizure issue. How the hell can I argue with someone who doesn’t even have the rudimentary knowledge of the law?
I’m done here. They say ignorance is bliss. You must be a very very happy person anon.
Yeah, I bet you are done because it has been shown that you don’t even understand the legal information that you are posting. All you see are words and you cannot grasp the meaning behind them. There was NO SEARCH OF THE HOUSE, do you get that? No search and nothing was seized.
Possible crime in progerss is all you need to know.
The Cambridge Police have said that Crowley followed standard procedures…so if that is the case, then according to you the Cambridge Police Department has no idea what probable cause is, what exegent circumstances are or how the law works when police are investigating a possible crime in progress…but YOU know better than the they do.
Yeah, right.
You’re a fool, that is the answer.
This is hilarious.
Before, Slide was claiming this:
“the home is inviolate in the US Constitution. A governmental official can only enter with a warrant or if there is probable cause that there is exigent circumstances.”
But now that he’s been cornered, he DENIES that a governmental official can enter with probable cause.
“And even if the officer did have Probable Cause that a crime was committed that, as I have repeatedly try to explain to you, is not the standard.”
He is contradicting his own quotations in a desperate attempt to explain why he supports the behavior of the racist Gates and to protect the racist Obama for Obama’s full endorsement of Gates’s behavior, for Obama’s calling the police officer a racist, and for why Slide, Gates, and Obama think all police officers are corrupt racists, even black ones.