Boxer: But You’re Black!
Boxer doesn't actually say that, she just implies it. And the black male she's questioning takes great offense. Chuck Devore is certainly going to have plenty of material to work with thanks to Boxer herself!
Update: Lifted from comments via Dan at GP with more - so true. Evidently, she was shaken but not stirred!
why didn't she object when this guy called her ma'am?
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He called her ma’am! Good grief!
Anyway, I wish more people would engage the senators like this.
Harry C. Alford!!!
Hmm. Potential candidate?
Give ‘er hell Harry!
U O. Boxer is in a pickle.
I can’t stand the women.
Would like to see more folks challenge her and put her out to pasture.
I love this. I do wish he’d spat out “condescending” right the first time. I could have made the same mistake under the circumstances, I’m sure.
Whoah! Finally someone who objects ON PRINCIPLE to this crapola. The NAACP… what?? 100 Black Men of Atlanta… um, is there any analysis of any sort undergirding these blandishments? If so, as Alford said, they should be there to put it up, as he is. But the guy is wrong. This IS racial. The stimulus is racial. Energy is racial. Healthcare is racial because it is really all about money and who gets what from whom and that, friends and foes is ALL racial and has been since January 20th of this year, not quite six months ago.
Why doesn’t he simply say
“That’s mighty white of you, lady”
And have it at that.
Wow, that’s relevant. Boxer is still on the committee righ and likely questioning Sotomayor? Oh, she’s not?
Was this before or after Thomas voted to permit school officials to strip search a 12 year old girl … over Tylenol? Why did he not disclose his *preference* in his confirmation hearings? Do conservatives support his position or will they condemn it?
Wow. Just… wow. I would bring that man my business any day of the week – for tell her off, for standing up for truth, for not screaming at the witch (which is what I might well have done) and for telling it like it is. A man more concerned with what is right than what is acceptable. I salute you, sir! Oyster out.
This is truly beautiful.
Good on Mr, Alford. What she really tried to play was ‘black with no facts’ card against because he of the color of his skin, to defuse his testimony and diminish his supporting information. She might as well have tossed an Oreo at him but had she done that, she would have had to duck from the force of his return toss.
why didn’t she object when this guy called her ma’am?
Wow, finally someone points out how the Democrats work. Hey, this guy’s black, let’s bring out a couple of black groups that support our energy policy, even though they know nothing about energy. Let’s point out that Exxon funded the study Mr. Alford is citing (of course Exxon doesn’t know anything about energy). Boxer never did explain the relevance of the NAACP’s endorsement, except for the fact she was interviewing someone who happened to be black.
The Democrats are beginning to wear thin. Can 2010 come too soon?
And again, Wow…Mr Alford is sexy hot; I simply adore men who possess conviction and the character to know how to use it.
As for Sen Boxer? Frankly, I’ve given up on California, it’s a lost cause.
The funny thing is, when he calls her for demeaning his opinion by quoting other blacks, she is totally flumoxed, she has no idea even how to react because it has never occured to her that treating “Black People” as their own special class would be found offensive by a black guy who thinks he’s an American businessman, who happens to be black.
Priceless.
A simple person would say that Clarence Thomas “voted to permit school officials to strip search a 12 year old girl”. A person who actually understand how our judicial system works would realize that Thomas actually voted that the Federal government had no right to intervene in the matter.
There’s a difference, but then progressives are all about the “nuance” so I’m sure you realize that.
Not to get off topic but I thought Thomas’s dissent on that case was as fully an insane ‘i refuse to accept a common sense interpretation of events’ as Ginsberg batty dissent was in the Ricco case.
It should not take the U.S. Supreme Court to tell anyone with a functioning brain that it is wrong and illegal to strip search a 13 year old girl for prescription strength Tylenol, the fact that anyone would defend such asinine behavior on any grounds at all is pathetic.
Do you point this out because Justice Thomas is black? Don’t lefties *ever* get tired of playing the race card?
I pointed it out in response to a previous post, and um, you might be careful who you are calling a “lefty” as I was under the impression that it required more than believing that 13 year old girls shouldn’t be strip searched for Tylenol, but maybe I was wrong.
Mr. Alford, I love you. Please come back to California, we need all the good people we can get!
“A person who actually understand how our judicial system works would realize that Thomas actually voted that the Federal government had no right to intervene in the matter.”
Which is of course *not* what Thomas’ dissent said. What Thomas said was that the school district should be granted deference greater than the search and seizure provision of the 4th amendment. Why? Because a contrary ruling would put school districts in a difficult bind of knowing when they could and could not search little kids without their parents’ permission or without a warrant granted with the existence of probable cause.
I thought conservatives all of a sudden were interested in the constitution. Since when do school board deserve more deference than the 4th amendment? I suppose supporters of Thomas would approve of having their child strip searched for Tylenol.
When Boxer goes on about those other groups being “proud,” she’s about one millisecond away from calling them “a credit to their race.”
sweet.
Ah, the great rhetorical master Bateman offers up yet another self-pleasing attempt at diversion. Pound away Pat! No. We don’t want to watch.
That whole exchange at the beginning about his residency would have been better directed at Pete Stark.
Bravo.
Patrick Bateman, Stop trying to change the subject. Boxer is a bigot. She thinks all black men should think alike. That’s probably your problem with Justice Thomas. He left the plantation and you cannot handle it.
How did Thomas and the strip search ruling get on this thread anyway? What does this have to do w/Boxer and Alford?
But, I have to answer the question as to ‘since when do school boards deserve deference…’
Answer: Since the Supreme Court gave it to them and said that they could operate on different/easier/vaguer standards when enforcing discipline and since they said that constitutional rights were not the same for children or children at school as for everyone else. ‘probable cause’ is not the standard for school searches, I believe it is ‘reasonable suspicion’ with many caveats as to the specific case/situation, etc. Exactly why Thomas’s dissent was so asinine.
I love it – the man put her right where she should a stupid white B—- that thinks she is better than everyone!
Doesn’t everyone realize that Barbara Boxer is absolutely as dumb as a post? My guess is an IQ of about 89. So you see, she can’t be held responsbile for the stupid comments because stupid people make stupid comments!
She’s not even listening to him at the end. You can hear her talking to someone else in the background while he’s making his point. What a jerk.
Sorry, as much as I try to enjoy it, I find the faux outrage from this guy pretty ridiculous. If he was representing the “American Chamber of Commerce”, or some other similar group, then this would be terrific. However, he’s representing the National BLACK Chamber of Commerce. If you’re going to explicitly identify yourself and your organization by your skin color, I don’t understand how you can plausibly pretend to take offence when your views are contrasted with other groups that do the same.
How dare Alford express an opinion contrary to that of Official Blackdom. This is an outrage!
J Thomason I agree with you
At first I was shocked at Boxer and agreed with Mr Allford. Then it dawned on me that his organization bases membership on SKIN COLOR. So addressing him as a Black Leader and not a Leader who happens to be black is the correct venue. Bravo Senator Boxer.
Many years ago I taught a college class in energy and environmental policy (most assuredly not from a Gaian perspective). This was during the Jimmy Carter “malaise” years, at which time the NAACP issued a position paper on energy policy asserting that environmentalism should not be used as a tool to keep the poor in their place, and that a secure energy supply was necessary to provide an economy healthy enough to generate sufficient numbers of jobs well-paying enough to lift their constituents out of poverty.
Sad to see that the NAACP and other black advocacy organizations now toe the Gaian line that poverty ain’t so bad after all.
Mr Alford,
Please run for President. We need your combination of smarts, balls and common sense.
Alford was there to discuss what his organization discovered about cap n’trade and how it will affect the membership. Why would he care what the NAACP has to say about it.
Here’s his paper -
http://www.nationalbcc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=750:nbcc-study-generates-concerns-about-waxmanmarkey-climate-change-bill-costs-are-high-but-benefits-are-uncertain&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=7
Boxer forgot that she wasn’t talking to a white man.
Mr. Alford, you rock! America needs more people with the guts, will and intellect to stand up to the racial-governmental complex that has a grip on the throats of American citizens and tell them, in no uncertain terms, that what they are doing is wrong.
God bless you Mr. Alford and keep up the great work.
I second those who are bothered by the explicit racialism of the Black CofC but at least this group is focused on work and business as a means to their stated goals. Only when they realize that the black power structure is ideologically hostile to freedom, fairness and prosperity (except for the Sharptons of this world) is there a possibility that they might, perhaps, on a dark and moonless night, decide that colorblind is the way to go after all. Decades late but, whatever.
There’s a Korean Chamber of Commerce
http://newyork.citysearch.com/profile/7157153/new_york_ny/korean_chamber_of_commerce.html
And a Chinese Chamber of Commerce
http://www.lachinesechamber.org/
And a Jewish Chamber of Commerce
http://www.lajewishchamber.com/
Honestly, I considered this. But you are missing the point:
“If you’re going to explicitly identify yourself and your organization by your skin color, I don’t understand how you can plausibly pretend to take offence when your views”
The NAACP did no study, nor did the Atlanta Business group she cited. The NNACP didn’t even support this specific bil, not yet, anyway. Alford was there to present objective data. That was his point in responding to the other Senator at the end. His “data” had nothing to do with race. What organization he is from is irrelevant – he also made that point. Invoking the NAACP and other group was done purely on terms of his race. They offered no conflicting data – only black opinion. If you reason it out fully, his outrage stands.
There seem to be many ethnic Chambers. In minutes I found lots of them including Irish and Italian.
Dont confuse the facts with Facts Dan, You will confuse the children.
About the time Babs quotes John Grant, she sounds like she is reading a bedtime story to the guy.
“Well if this black group doesn’t interest you, perhaps I can point your attention to this black man, who also approves of the energy bill. I know you black folk are mighty proud, and this black fellow would be proud that you are here today. You are black and you are proud, aren’t you Mr. Alford?”
It is almost like trying to coax a child to do something he doesn’t want to do. “But Timmy, that spinach will make you grow tall and handsome. Now you want to be tall and handsome, don’t you Timmy?”
It makes me want to vomit, listening to this woman patronize an obviously much smarter and more genuine person in Mr. Alford. Not to mention a vet, who knows this country and the world way better than she does.
All businesspeople are the same color once the taxman’s done bleeding them white.
Summed up:
“Look at THESE black people, and look at how well THEY behave/think. You DO want to be considered one of them, don’t you? Or would you like us up here to brand you a misbehaving/wrongthinking black person? Hmmm?”
Sheesh. She was just trying to tell him that there would be plenty of work for His People down on the energy-plantation, once her own Chamber of Commerce had lined up all the directorships and other white-collar jobs.
This Alford guy rules. She was being totally condescending, and someone finally called her on it. He should move here to TX and take McKinney or Edwards’s job.
It’s worse than “But you’re black.” What she was saying in her heart was,
“But you’re a neeeegro. You should be thinking like all these other neeeegros!”
To all the people on here that think Mr. Alford was being disingenuous, you are missing the whole point. He thought he was being called into to talk about why his group opposes the energy bill, not to be asked to fall in line with other blacks. While I hope the need to have groups based on skin color will go away very soon, Mr. Alford’s organization really had nothng to do with discussing energy. His group just hapened to do a lot of research on the topic, which he thought he was being called in to discuss.
It was quite obvious to me that boxer has had very little interaction with blacks. Her kneejerk reaction was to try to play on Alford’s “pride” (she embarrassingly repeated the word ‘proud’ 4 times – I actually cringed in pity for her as she said it), which is probably the only thing she knows about black people besides what she’s read about groups of black people in books, or maybe the occasional biography. Is she a racist? I think so, even though she might not be aware of it. Is she a total ass? Beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Wow, we are a little bit more gullible today than normal aren’t we posters? Alford’s group has been bought off by Exxon. Exxon has funneled millions to climate change deniers and has funneled over $350,000 to Alford’s group alone. The first link is to the most recent “gift.” The latter is to previous payoffs for climate change denial services. Is this who Dan Riehl champions?
http://www.grist.org/i/assets/2/gcr_contributions_public_policy08.pdf
Also, in his opening statemet Alford claimed to speak for the “black community.” If he claims this, why can’t Boxer show how full of bologne he is? And full of Exxon dollars.
Because balogna is spelled with an A, Wally.
Yer welkum!
You are both wrong
bologna
Hint – Firefox has built-in spell check.
Boxer is a withered old loon. Between the botox and the peroxide what remains of her brain hasn’t a chance. The fact that California sends her back to the Senate again and again is a symptom of the wasting disease that has destroyed that formerly great state.
Exxon has funneled millions to climate change deniers and has funneled over $350,000 to Alford’s group alone.
So let’s see; among those climate change denier groups are the Congressional Black Caucus, the National Black Caucus of State Legislators, the National Bureau of Asian Research, and the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Plus the NAACP.
http://hnn.us/roundup/comments/9097.html
The problem here, Wally, is twofold.
One, you are incensed at the thought of a black man, who you feel should be bowing before you and kissing your feet for being a liberal, actually daring to disagree with you.
Two, you don’t believe a black man should ever talk back to a white woman.
So you go on a rampage to try to trash this person and impugn his organization because a corporation that you don’t like donated to them.
You are a racist, Wally. That much is patently obvious.
If Mr. Alford had been the Pres. of the Korean Chamber of Commerce (and a Korean) would Boxer have pulled out the NAACP paper?
That is an in-depth report he presented. She is a condescending you know what. I went to the NBCC site and sent him a thanks for the report. It makes it easier to refute the other side’s arguments to have the facts.I live in an area full of Obamabots. God bless the guy.
The Pew Trust study that Boxer cited is a box of hokem too. These are all “pile on” studies and statements seeking a piece of government cheese from cap and trade.
BTW, as the search, schools have operated under “in loco parentis” since the Romans (I’d guess). It means in place of the parent. A parent can strip search a child if suspected of illegal drugs. If a legislature with jurisdiction wants to ban that particular practice, over ruling common law, it can.
But I’m no lawyer, just a citizen. I respect Thomas and his logic powers greatly.
The Senators need to earn our respect. They aren’t doing it now.
Perhaps there should be behavioral indications of this lack of respect from we the people i.e. open exchanges of honest opinion.
That was fantastic. Boxer’s a swine and has been useless for some time. Glorious comeuppance.
“Well, some other of you people said it was good, so…”
Un-friggin-believable.
Thank God!
Hooah!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g200/DoggerelPundit/HODA.gif
Boxer is a rascist with the IQ of a turd.
Gee, maybe she’s putting documents on the record from other black organizations because this guy is representing the National “BLACK” Chamber of Commerce? He testified representing an organization formed with a specific racial identity. This guy made himself look like a real dumb*ss.
That rocked – no question about it.
I do not know what this guys political ideas are – he may very well be almost 100% against mine, but I would say I would enjoy having a beer and talking with him. There is a phrase many leftist like “Speak Truth to Power” and that right there is it. The guy may even very well be a Marxist for all I know (nothing in that clip can tell me) but by golly he spoke Truth to Power right then and there.
And, lastly, if you ever want to see why many in power (and note I said “in power”) want to neuter the military in the US that right there is why. We like to talk about the idea of “Jump” – “How High Sir” but the reality is that our military wants people who can *think* under pressure and react with vigor. They want *everyone* (be it the lowest rank possible and the only person) to take command and achieve victory.
Why I say I would like to have a beer with someone like that is even if they are a full on Marxist is that they have conviction in what they believe, do not try and hide it, and have no issue telling you what they believe. I suspect this guy isn’t a marxist, but then I do not really know either. At the least he gave Ms. Boxer a good verbal assault that she needed to happen right then and there. He called her out on an idea she figured she could push on him from her position of power – not too good on someone who is passionate about an idea *and* trained by the US military to confront positions of power
Jason S: Excellent points. Alford very quickly saw that Boxer was asking: “Why don’t you think like the other black people”. The “They would be proud” business is a classic example of racism disguised as liberal paternalism: “We are trying to help you, why can’t you be more appreciative?”
Allford supported Obama knowing fully his policies would be damaging to commerce. His website is an Obama Hope and Change Koolaid Fest. So I assume Mr Allford has more do to with the ” Black ” than the ” Commerce” part of his organization.
At least this website has adults capable of discussing race. I debated the same issue on Red State and was called a bigot. Then got banned by Moe Lane.
Same old deal. Democrats taking the group known as black America for granted and taking black America’s commonality of opinion and lack of individuality for granted as well. It appears to be so much a part of the Democrat party culture that Democrats such as Ms Boxer do it as a matter of course, a knee jerk reaction, a natural behavior. Yes it is patronizing, and insulting and it is also getting old, as demonstrated by the interaction between Boxer and Alford. Consider the sutuation in reverse with Alford assuming that because some predominantly white group held some position that one would naturally assume Ms Boxer also held that position or identified with that group. Paleeez…..
Man, we need more people like Mr.Alford. Too often the African American community is viewed as a monolithic entity represented by a few opportunistic “reverends” and politicians. I know that there are plenty of decent middle class African American families that will suffer just as much as their other middle class peers due to these policies. Boxer, Pelosi and their ilk presume to tell African Americans what to think. Isn’t that just a little presumptuous?
I guess you don’t have to be a person of color to play racial politics.
I’m not a Barbara Boxer fan, but in this case, I have to take her side. Mr. Alford accused her of racism when she was merely trying to find out how much and why Exxon Oil and other companies were contributing money to NCCCP and NAACP. There needs to be some protection (a law) to protect people from being accused of racism or charges of being racist when they’re innocent. Immigrant activist Alfredo Gurierrez said, “We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works.” And so it has splendidly so far. It’s way past time for the accuser to have to be ready to prove his charge of racism/racist, or face legal consequences for his/her false accusations. For it is just as hideous to falsely accuse someone of racism/racist as it is to actually be one.
Jean T, you obviously did not watch the same clip the rest of us did. Boxer was discussing the cap/tax plan, and essentially said to Alford: “look, all of these other black entities are on board, why are you being a sell-out?”. If you can’t see that, your blinders are due for a cleaning.
Bravo Mr. Alford.
YOU SHOULD RUN FOR HER SENATE SEAT! YOU WOULD WIN BY A LAND SLIDE!!
I am surprised she did not have a statement from Jessie Jackson or Louis Farrakhan. I am glad the democrats are starting to self destruct. Boxer has lived in her elitist ivory tower for so long she starts to believe her own BS.
The really sad thing is the lefty’s coming in here and defending her actions while tearing up Mr. Alford. What they fail to understand is that Mr. Alford’s testimony was based on studies and research from his group, NOT just a statement from a Black organization. Boxer threw out some baseless endorsement from a Black group to dismiss any and all work his group had done. THAT WAS AN INSULT AND A SLAP IN THE FACE! How obvious does racism have to be for the democrats to notice it on their own side?? Do they realize how disingenuous they sound by trying to pass off her obvious racism while they beat on Mr. Alford? If I am a black person, I am insulted by Boxer and then twice insulted by the democrats for coming to her defense!!!
Good work Boxer! You have single handedly brought YOUR Democratic Party to it’s knees! hahahahahaha!
http://twitter.com/newtgingrich/statuses/2731174838
Boxer, Finestein and Pelosi — the messiah’s trio of $itches. These ‘witchy chicks’ need someone or something to knock them off their can-do-no-wrong pedestals. Beyond me how their constituents continue to vote for them. OTOH, look at the ’08 results. They may self-destruct soon – we can only hope! 2010???