Are Libertarians, Conservatives In Fight For Their Lives?

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January 30, 2009

When you combine Obama's attacks on Limbaugh with his recent move on Judd, it would be foolish to eliminate the very real possibility that Obama is intent on removing the entire Right as an effective opposition to whatever liberal agenda he might have in mind. Ask yourself, who would stop a rebranded Fairness Doctrine without any truly effective Republican voice to be heard in Washington? And that would be the result of Obama's current moves.

My apologies for needing to follow up on this post Instapundit was kind enough to link. But I am very serious and not being over the top in asking my libertarian and conservative friends to consider the sweep of recent events, all driven by Obama.

He has his troops on the march through a web effort and on the ground via groups like MoveOn to influence moderates, not conservatives or hard line libertarians. We know that because he is already targeting Judd Gregg even while inviting him into his cabinet.

Out of nowhere he launched an attack on Rush Limbaugh. At first it seemed foolish and unnecessary. More and more it looks like a planned marginalization. That move was no different than launching an attack directly against a large segment of the Right and most any small government, anti-tax mindset – whether they listen to Limbaugh, or not.

He tested the water with his stimulus bill to see if Republican ranks would be capable of standing up against him legislatively. They held. He waited until after that in what he is now attempting to do by offering a cabinet post to Judd Greg.

There is at least some reason to believe McCain would accept Sec Def if offered, as a capstone for his political career. There is nothing left for McCain in the Senate. Obama wouldn't even really need him there. That might also get the Dems to sixty in the Senate even if Coleman prevails in Minnesota.

Think about the moves this man is making so early in his Presidency. It suggests a liberal power grab that makes Pelosi's efforts in Congress pale in comparison. And if Gregg takes the appointment, Obama would all but be ensured of success before the Right even realized it was under an all out attack.

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Comments:
  1. Jon says:

    “There is at least some reason to believe McCain would accept Sec Def if offered, as a capstone for his political career. There is nothing left for McCain in the Senate. Obama wouldn’t even really need him there. That might also get the Dems to sixty in the Senate even if Coleman prevails in Minnesota.”
    Since Nepolitano joined Obama’s cabinet, AZ now has a Republican governor.
    Presumably, if McCain became Sec Def, she would replace him with another Republican.

  2. Dan says:

    “she would replace him with another Republican. ”
    Is it an appointment or special election? I wasn’t sure.

  3. BHO’s attack on RL wasn’t “out of the blue”. He launched a smear ad against him in September, which followed him coming close to accusing him of inciting violence:
    http://24ahead.com/blog/archives/008013.html
    There’s an easy way to fight back against moves by BHO and his minions, but no one wants to get off their couches:
    http://24ahead.com/s/question-authority
    If anyone wants to actually *do* something, organize local groups, go to politicians’ public appearances, ask them the questions the MSM won’t ask, and then upload video of their responses to video sharing sites. It really isn’t that difficult, but apparently pushing something that would work is too difficult for some.

  4. ashok says:

    Came in via Instapundit.
    Independent of what Obama does, I think conservatives and – to a lesser degree – libertarians have been in the fight for their lives for some time.
    It isn’t just power in Washington. Remember: Obama actually appealed to people. They got all misty and happy hearing about “hope” and “change” and really believed they’re part of “history.”
    It’s that last thing which should tip conservatives off. Libertarians take time to educate: Reason Magazine and Will Wilkinson and a number of others will actually go out of their way to highlight new ideas or pay tribute to the founder of a school of thought or whatever. The Right has magazines like “The New Criterion” and “First Things,” but barely anyone reads them, and most importantly, we pretend like as if being conservative requires no knowledge whatsoever: it’s just “obvious” to many, “common sense.”
    But if liberals dominate primary and secondary schooling, as well as the University, “common sense” can be radically altered, and it has been. I don’t really see a next generation of conservatives. I see a few young people, but not much more.
    I think we should have recognized we were in the fight of our lives at least in 2000, once the anti-Bush rhetoric heated up for absolutely no reason. The man hadn’t done anything and already he was the worst person in the world.
    The only way I see that we can put liberals on the defensive is to get people to see how tyrannical, petty, biased and quite frankly stupid many of them are. The best way to do that is to push school vouchers like everything depended on it, because it probably does. For more:
    http://www.ashokkarra.com/2007/12/why-having-vouchers-for-education-is-the-most-important-issue-in-america/

  5. Lala says:

    Since google bans some youtube presentations, there is a place to make sure they are seen -
    http://www.nmatv.com/categories

  6. Seerak says:

    Independent of what Obama does, I think conservatives and – to a lesser degree – libertarians have been in the fight for their lives for some time.
    Well, they certainly aren’t helping themselves by joining the other side. Here’s libertarian Steve Chapman and conservative Andrew Stuttaford openly embracing Keynesian-style looting via inflation:
    http://www.reason.com/news/show/130681.html
    http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmIzNjg3NTNjODY3NDFlM2FjNWI0NjhiMzIzYTBkZGQ=
    When the presssure’s on, pragmatism is a *killer*.

  7. Anon says:

    I stand as a testament that as people grow older and see more of the world they get more conservative, unless they are stupid, on the liberal gravy train or were totally brainwashed. I was raised a liberal in a family that voted a straight Democratic ticket for decades, I went to an East Coast liberal arts, I have never lived anywhere other than a blue state. Believe me, eyes can be opened.
    Of course, a lot of conservatives wouldn’t call me a conservative because I’m pro choice and believe the government needs to protect the enviroment and am not too enthused with either the war on drugs or war on terror….
    That has been your problem, no room at the inn for someone like me, who doesn’t want the nanny state but doesn’t like that “conservative” has come to mean “christian religious conservative”.

  8. Joseph McNulty says:

    The fact that this is worthy of even speculation only proves beyound question that the Republicans are the “stupid party.” Why would Gregg be interested in this transparent ploy to name another Democratic senator? It is rather like the line in “A Man for All Seasons”: “To lose one’s soul for the chancellorship of Ireland?” The prize — a cabinet seat that serves at the pleasure of Obama — hardly seems worth it, but it is just the sort of “bipartisan” move that a dunce like Gregg might might fancy. Why do the Democrats seem so solicitous for the Republicans? Of course, they are singing the siren sond of “bipartisanship,” but it seems a way to keep the Republicans alive to prevent the emergence of a more effective opposition. The party-and-a-half system forever.

  9. Jon says:

    “Is it an appointment or special election? I wasn’t sure.”
    Appointment.

  10. Paul A'Barge says:

    Dang. Gotta go change my pants.

  11. plutosdad says:

    Even read a few stories lately about Obama’s press relations. They are shutting out even the friendly press, trying to control everything. Openness and transparancy? Not that I can see. Our schools already practice thought control with their speech codes. We’re raising a generation that doesn’t believe in free speech for the other side, but instead thinks shouting down and throwing people offstage so they can’t speak or assemble is “practicing free speech”. These people would allow a new fairness doctrine or any oppression, in fact welcome it.
    Next to that, my fears about the trillion we are spending are small.
    Anon it works both ways, my “liberal” friends act like they hate me, they go on and on about conservatives, and though I agree with most of your positions, there’s no room for me on either side. Just a few minutes ago I mentioned I thought the latest bailout bill was a way for politicians to give their friends money , like Barney Frank, and one started yelling “you sound just like Rush. do you listen to Rush? are you conservative? You sound just like my father. what’s wrong with you” blah blah
    Hate is all around.

  12. templar knight says:

    Your problem is that you have “liberal” friends, plutosdad. I can’t stand them. However, I do like people like Anon, and engage and mingle with them as friends, even though we don’t see eye to eye on everything. I oppose most abortions, not all, and I firmly believe we should care for the planet we live on, and treat it nicely.

  13. Lala says:

    To me, Conservatism stands more for limited government and low taxes. What I dislike about liberals the most is their “nanny state” mindset and their desire to be charitable with my money.

  14. Anon says:

    Like I said, I live in a sea of blue, almost everyone is a liberal, even the ‘conservatives’ in my area are pretty liberal.
    I tried to talk to people about Sarah Palin, anyone that knows me, knows that she lost me at ‘shooting wolves from helecopters’ and that other than 2nd amendment rights, there was nothing I agreed with her on..so you would think I could have gotten someone to listen to me in terms of media bias, treating the woman like trash, trying to destroy her personally and claiming her minor daughter’s private life was appropriate for the NYTimes…I made no headway…all anyone wanted to do was make fun of her accent or make jokes about her daughter’s sex life. I know people who voted for McCain who believed all the media lies about her!
    But, not all liberals are created equal, there are alot of pro choice people who believe in the 2nd amendment, who don’t agree with people who don’t pay taxes getting “rebate” checks, and in the privacy of their own usually white, upscale neighborhoods, if you couch it just right, you will get them to admit some truths about who/how/where crimes are committed.
    Mocking people who care about polar bears, global warming, pollution and factory farming has probably lost you more independents than anything else. It also wouldn’t hurt the GOP to once in a while agree that contraceptives are a LOT better than abortion and go out and try and find some black and hispanic conservatives, and give them some leadership roles, they do exist.
    GOP needs to ADMIT it lost its collective mind over the last 8 years in terms of expanding government, pork and fiscal responsibility. Then, go back to those messages that resonate with people: taxes, opportunity, violent crime, responsibility, American traditions [NOTE: This can be done without invoking either Jesus or The Bible]. Throw in a little nod to the environment…and the party can be back on track, especially if this stimulus turns into the fiasco I think it will.
    People are lazy and stupid, but, they’re going to know whether this stimulus helps them or not and they are going to see whether their investments come back or continue to decline.
    I won’t change anyone’s mind on torturing, wiretapping or the war on terror, so, I won’t get into that. I would recommend a little ‘mistakes were made’ type of messaging on this issue as well, but GOP can still succeed w/out that.

  15. DonRodrigo says:

    “”"”"”"That has been your problem, no room at the inn for someone like me, who doesn’t want the nanny state but doesn’t like that “conservative” has come to mean “christian religious conservative”.”"”"”"”"”
    Oh, really? Is that what you think? Do you always let the liberal/left define your side for you?
    There are many of us who are a great deal like you, and WE define ourselves.

  16. Anon says:

    I know that John McCain might have won if Tom Ridge was on the ticket instead of Sarah Palin but that he wasn’t accetable to the Republican Party because he’s pro choice. I also know that Tom Ridge might have been able to deliver PA to John McCain.
    I call that a party that is being controlled and defined solely by one issue and that issue is dominated by religious conservatives.
    I also haven’t forgotten how so many Republicans claimed that John McCain was just like a Democrat, so it didn’t matter who won the election. Does anyone really believe this, now today?

  17. Lala says:

    Here’s a long but interesting article about political view being shaped by genes
    “Another challenge is politicized assessment of the genetic evidence. Ever since 1950, when Theodor Adorno and his colleagues published The Authoritarian Personality, scholars have studied right-wing authoritarianism but neglected its counterpart on the left. In his study of identical twins reared apart, Bouchard concludes that right-wing authoritarianism is, to a large degree, inherited—but he says nothing about the Left. This omission is puzzling, since as Bouchard was studying twins at the University of Minnesota, he was regularly attacked by left-wing students outraged by the idea that any traits might be inherited. A few students even threatened to kill him. When I pointed this out to him, he suggested, in good humor, that I was a troublemaker.
    Yet if you ask who in this country has prevented people from speaking on college campuses, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who storms the streets and shatters the windows of Starbucks coffee shops to protest the World Trade Organization, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who produces campus codes that infringe on free speech, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who invaded the classroom of my late colleague Richard Herrnstein and tried to prevent him from teaching, it was overwhelmingly leftists.”
    A better way to determine if authoritarianism is genetic would be to ask people what the country’s biggest problems are. Liberals might say the inequality of income or the danger of global warming; conservatives might indicate the tolerance of abortion or the abundance of pornography. You would then ask each group what they thought should be done to solve these problems. An authoritarian liberal might say that we should tax high incomes out of existence and close down factories that emit greenhouse gases. A conservative authoritarian might suggest that we put abortion doctors in jail and censor books and television programs. This approach would give us a true measure of authoritarianism, left and right, and we would know how many of each kind existed and something about their backgrounds. Then, if they had twins, we would be able to estimate the heritability of authoritarianism. Doing all this is a hard job, which may explain why no scholars have done it.
    http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_1_dna.html

  18. Just Bill says:

    “Are Libertarians, Conservatives In Fight For Their Lives?”
    We are always in a fight for our lives. We are stengthened by the opposition and, personally, I’m encouraged by the mis-steps of the Left since the election.

  19. TheAbstractor says:

    “Out of nowhere he launched an attack on Rush Limbaugh. At first it seemed foolish and unnecessary . . . .”
    It was foolish and unnecessary. And if he keeps attacking Rush, and starts using laws and regulations to attack Rush, he’ll regret it the rest of his (short) political career. That move by Obama was a completely boner, an unforced error by a rookie infielder brought up from the minors way too soon. He might as well have told 20,000,000 voters “Your needs are irrelevant to me, and my administration is opposed to your sociopolitical goals.” This at a time when he was starting to calm the fears of the right/independents with his cabinet picks, and convince them that he wasn’t going to be an off-the-wall socialist. It was a statement that may have impressed a few esoteric political circles, but Rush has many more people nationwide who love/like him than hate him.

  20. David Govett says:

    After they legalize 20-30 million fast-reproducing Mexican illegals, Republicans can forget it.

  21. Anon says:

    Not necessarily, there are a lot of ways in which at least some of not many Mexican immigrants more closely resemble the typical American immigrant story…come here, no money, no language skills, work hard, do well. If the liberal establishment would stop with its paternal attitudes about Mexicans and spanish it would go a long way toward integrating them into mainstream culture.
    I’d say hispanics could go either way, they could become another large group like the Irish and Italians before them that will in several decades become “Americanized” and split across the political spectrum, or they could adopt the black community template of terminal victimhood and anger, using every legal means available to not only maintain their separate culture and separate institutions but ensure mandated access to jobs/promotions, etc.
    The window is closing on which way a large portion of this group goes, though.

  22. templar knight says:

    “After they legalize 20-30 million fast-reproducing illegals, Rupublicans can forget it.”
    Maybe. But a complete meltdown of the economy could change everything. A hyperinflation or a stagflation could reverse the support for Obama very quickly. In past periods of severe economic declines, the US has either had abundant resources or abundant productive capacity to lift us from disaster. We have neither now, so it’s not too difficult to figure out the outcome of a severe economic decline.

  23. Jimbo says:

    The GOP is dead. Dead as a doornail. The party of Reagan, Wayne, Heston has been turned over to Rush Limbaugh – the drug addicted, child sex predator. The Bush years have turned the GOP into an irrelevant, regional party dedicated to bigots, racists, and those who are scared of most everything. The more people learn about the GOP, the faster it will fall. Wait a few weeks and lets see if the GOP filibuster is going to impress the citizens of America. Lets see if the recently unemployed will agree that creating a depression is in the best interests of the country. More than likely, the GOP is HOPING for failure as it is the only way to attempt to regain their power – and that is what is most important, Power. Not the good of the country or the good of the population – the good of the party – just like the brownshirts in Nazi Germany. Zieg Heil!
    The bug man turned the lights on and the GOP is running back to its hiding places – the deep south. Please stay there.

  24. Jumbo says:

    The GOP is dead. Dead as a doornail. The party of Reagan, Wayne, Heston has been turned over to Rush Limbaugh – the drug addicted, child sex predator. The Bush years have turned the GOP into an irrelevant, regional party dedicated to bigots, racists, and those who are scared of most everything. The more people learn about the GOP, the faster it will fall. Wait a few weeks and lets see if the GOP filibuster is going to impress the citizens of America. Lets see if the recently unemployed will agree that creating a depression is in the best interests of the country. More than likely, the GOP is HOPING for failure as it is the only way to attempt to regain their power – and that is what is most important, Power. Not the good of the country or the good of the population – the good of the party – just like the brownshirts in Nazi Germany. Zieg Heil!
    The bug man turned the lights on and the GOP is running back to its hiding places – the deep south. Please stay there.

  25. Todd says:

    “To me, Conservatism stands more for limited government and low taxes. What I dislike about liberals the most is their “nanny state” mindset and their desire to be charitable with my money.
    Posted by: Lala | Friday, January 30, 2009 at 04:06 PM”
    ————————
    Yeah, that’s the theory but the reality under Republican rule was that limited government = massive deregulation and no oversight on Wall Street = global economic crisis. Also, limited government implies limited spending and therefore no annual budget deficits. Never happened, not under Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush. And, yeah there’s always an excuse as to why those deficits were there….Reagan juiced spending to win the cold war, George HW Bush had a recession because of the Gulf War, George W. Bush inherited a recession, had 9/11, etc etc etc….in 20 years of conservative rule, one thing was always a constant: budget deficits and accumulation of national debt. That’s a fact.
    So, it’s a theory only that Conservativism makes for effective government. I dislike the nanny state too, but it’s no worse than deregulation run wild.

  26. Antimedia says:

    You know, Todd, all you do is reveal the pervasive ignorance of the average American with your claims about massive deregulation and no oversight of Wall Street. Anyone with more than half a brain knows that the present economic problems can be traced back decades to the days when our politicians (on both sides of the aisle) decided that the government knew better than businesses how to run things. America is reaping the whirlwind of bigger and bigger government. When it all collapses around you rubes, you’ll still be scratching your heads wondering how the (inser the party you hate here) could have done it to you.
    The problems of America are not Republican versus Democrat – they are dependence upon liberty for your success versus dependence upon government for your success. While you people waste time and breath arguing about who is right and who is wrong, the architects of America’s destruction are well under way revising the way you live so that you will never again be free. Soon universal healthcare will be upon you as well as 13 trillion dollars in debt, which means that someone is holding the note that will determine how you will live your life in the future.
    And you did it to yourselves, with your stupid partisan bickering while America burned. The grand experiment in freedom is over folks. Bitch all you want, but your ass is owned by the Federal government and you will never be free again – except by revolution. I hope you’re proud of yourselves for wasting time on things that did not matter.

  27. Chester White says:

    “It also wouldn’t hurt the GOP to … go out and try and find some black and hispanic conservatives, and give them some leadership roles, they do exist.”
    Hey, go Google “Michael Steele,” asshat.

  28. Eyas says:

    “But I am very serious and not being over the top in asking my libertarian and conservative friends to consider the sweep of recent events, all driven by Obama.”
    Uh, welcome to the party. Where have you been? This is news?

  29. Lala says:

    Jimbo said this
    “Rush Limbaugh – the drug addicted, child sex predator”
    I guess you read Dan’s warning and didn’t care and decided to add in a little slander for good measure.

  30. RK says:

    In the presence of informed citizens and representatives, conservatism would always do well.
    So we will see. Obama wants to cut 10% from Defense. That will mean workers get laid off. Now I don’t think that’s very bright. We’ll see if the voting population can connect the dots.
    The Greens are still firmly in charge. California is going to mandate what kind of cars people drive. And what kind of TVs people are going to buy.
    Between the Financial panic and the Environment panic, the Dems pretty much rule the roost.
    But how many people understand that the Financial panic was brought on by CRA and made tons worse by Greenspan? How many understand that the Greens have done huge damage to this country by a no nuke policy, a no domestic oil policy.
    Naturally, the Left now wants to design cars that no one wants and that may have to be taxpayer funded. And, of course, they want to run the banks and lend money to their friends.
    Conservatives have not been able to get their message across for years, always playing defense. (And Bush never even seemed to want to do that)
    Sad, because, most people (or at least those who aren’t getting a check from the government) are conservative in many ways.
    From the 30s to the 50s we had one party rule. That’s what the Left wants now, and the media are pretty much on board the train.

  31. torabora says:

    Get the RINO’s out of the party.
    Practice 1st principles and tolerate no deviations…none of that “I had to sacrifice my free market principles” crap. Where did we get that guy? Tolerate nothing less than excellence.
    It’s borders, language, and culture….or we’re going to be balkanized like Europe.

  32. flicka47 says:

    “In the presence of informed citizens and representatives, conservatism would always do well.”
    Well in the over-reach of this horrible stimulus bill the Dems may have handed us a powerful teaching tool.We need to use it with everyone that will listen,and show them why and how conservatism and libertarianism are the better ways to go.
    It is up to us,our elected representatives have barely been able to show that they are above room temp,they have all been too comfortable for too long with “getting along”.Many of us have spent years writing,reading,commenting on the right-side blogs. Many of you are eloquent and concise in your statements of principles.
    It is time to go viral,find candidates that stand for conservative principles, and educate the muddle.We have nothing to lose,except a country

  33. Dave says:

    All this fear of O is overblown.
    Look at the “stimulus” bill. He had an opportunity to come out with a very focused bill that would have been hard to criticize. Instead, he allowed the house DEMs to write it and then go on TV to explain that money spent on STDs would stimulate the economy. I don’t see a particularly strong or fearsome person there – I see one who blew a chance to put his mark on everything for the next 4 years, and handed power over to Pelosi and Co.
    It won’t be long before we start seeing stories like “Who really wields the power in DC?”. And the media won’t ignore it, because that’s the kind of inside baseball story they love, and it’ll be irresistible to them.
    In two years it’ll finally have sunk in to a majority that the DEMS own the economy, whatever it is at that time. If the stimulus bill is their best effort then things look pretty bleak, and they’ll pay for it. We just have to stop them from destroying the country in that period of time, and even the DEMs couldn’t do that.
    If the gop can stop this, fine. But they don’t want to be involved with it in any way – let the DEMS own it lock stock and barrel.

  34. Gardner says:

    Care about the polar bears all you want. They Are NOT endangered. As for global warming, answer me this: what is the mean temperature of the planet? What was it last year? 5 years ago? If you can’t answer that simple question for me, how do you know global warming is happening? And if you don’t know the answer to such a simple question, if in fact such simple questions are never even asked, why SHOULDN’T global warming be mocked? We still have a first amendment in this country.

  35. John says:

    Some of the comments here belong on the field of dreams. The swipe at Rush which he jumped on because that’s his business was an inspired move and was I’m sure completely calculated by Obama. It may come as something of a surprise but most of the country regards El Rushbo rather as they regard Tammy Faye Baker or Al Sharpton, he’s a national grotesque. Obama’s goal politically is to make Republicans look like mindless obstructionists. And he’s had plenty of material over the past ten days. Conservatives may be congratulating themselves on the 100% vote against the simulus package but it just reinforced that impression. This was a win win for him. He looked reasonable they looked totally partisan. I think the level of support he has in the country is being underestimated. I was looking at the anatomy of one of the polls last week that had him at around 70%. But if you looked at the regional breadowns only in the south was he below an 80% approval rating and in the NE he was at 88% approval to 8% disapproval. Against this background making Rushbo the patron saint of Republicanism with GOP congressmen falling over to lick his boots is basically suicidal for an organization that claims to be a serious party.

  36. JohnD says:

    “…it would be foolish to eliminate the very real possibility that Obama is intent on removing the entire Right as an effective opposition…”
    Well, DUH! Get a clue fast. It’s the Leftists, stupid!
    Republicans still think they’re dealing with a loyal opposition.
    When it comes to Leftists, never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by malice.

  37. Dennis Arashiro says:

    “In the presence of informed citizens and representatives, conservatism will always do well.”
    Informed means rejecting the lunacy of a 10,000 year old earth and creationist dogma. Informed means accepting the scientific uncertainty of the beginning of an individual conscious life in utero. Informed means accepting the elusiveness of absolute truth.
    Conservatism will always do well because of the innate desire to maintain established patterns of thought and behavior. It has nothing to do with being informed.

  38. Tennwriter says:

    Anon,
    You mean well, but you’re trying to sell Libertarianism under another name. Libertarians can be useful (1. As shock troops. 2. As help.) but they cannot run the roost, if they do, epic fail.
    The Big Tent is open to you when you bring Conservatism into it. You need to leave the other stuff at the door.
    Unfortunately, and I’m not totally sure why this is (and I don’t say it applies to you as I don’t think it does), but a lot of ‘fiscal conservatives’ turn out to be squishy as all get out on fiscal things, but a true conservative is strong on fiscal and social issues. Maybe its because a true conservative totally ignores the zeitgeist and is thus immune to peer pressure.
    Dennis,
    Lets suppose it is uncertain when life begins. So you abort a fetus, but you’re not sure it wasn’t life. Hmmm…play Russian roullette often? Point a gun with one bullet in it at someone and pull the trigger. You’re not sure it will kill them, so if it does, you’re off the moral hook, eh?
    As to your sneering about Truth, I’m sorry Logic is not your friend. Get to know her, and Lady Sophia as well.
    As to your unfounded speculations based on poor science and bad philosophy about YEC, well, facts ain’t your friend. Good science, good philosophy, not that ‘paid for by Washington’ junque would give you another answer than the one you got indoctrinated in.