Is Obama Doomed To Fail?
This one quote below – tucked away at the bottom of page 2 in this Politico item dealing with Democrats at odds - highlights my chief concern over an Obama Presidency. For all his inflated press, Obama has never really painted himself as a leader, so much as he has a mediator. That sounds great on paper. But it has the potential to be disastrous in the real world. It can raise a number of serious problems.
"You have campaign fault lines now incorporated into [Obama’s] Cabinet,” warned Tom Andrews, a former congressman from Maine and leader of the group Win Without War. “We have to watch the inside baseball of defense spending, missile defense program. That’s an important fault line. … The Republicans are going to play that hard — that will be a fault line issue. They will target the red-state Democrats and the new Democrats.”
Both good and bad actors on the International front like predictability in America. They plot their own moves, good and bad, around that. But an administration lacking a clear ideological direction can send mix messages, invitng bad decisions by friends and enemies alike.
Will Obama seems dovish on one front and confrontative on another? Is he a free trader, or does he favor protectionism at heart? Or will consensus result in a watered-down nothingness that accomplishes little at all? This bring the best people together and I'll sort it out stuff sounds great. And, yes, Obama will be "the decider" come January 20th. But how and what is it he will decide?
Frankly, I doubt few if any can answer that definitively right now. And that isn't necessarily a good thing.
Obama will also have motivations for decision-making that go beyond just what's best. "Well, I said no to this group on that, maybe I should say yes on this?"
Being all things to all people often leaves one looking like nothing much of anything to anyone in the end.
As frustrating as a certain stubbornness can be, without a clear, well-defined direction it can be extremely difficult to lead. Obama has no experience leading anything substantial other than his own campaigns for the next highest office.
Now that he's won the Presidency, it almost seems foolish to conclude he actually knows what he wants to do with it given that he hasn't said much of anything consistently beyond the word change. Couple that with his willingness to incorporate such disparate points of view in his administration and there's no predicting the results in many key areas, or assuming he even knows what he wants himself.
Or does he simply want everyone to get along?
While it can be great fun to circle the desks in the classroom and talk about where everyone stands, at the end of the term all that's at risk is a grade.
The stakes for the American Presidency are just a bit more substantial than that.
Let's hope Obama is up to the task. If not, it'll be Jimmy Carter all over, again. And I doubt anyone wants to see that, … except the Iranians, perhaps.
Is Obama Doomed To Fail?
Well let’s see… Obama has only ever been a part-time Senator, a community organizer, and a nice-looking suit who gives eloquent speeches. He is walking into one of the most difficult periods in American history with regard to economic uncertainty and military protection; however, since those who control the 4th branch of the US government (the media) have declared him the “leader of the modern world” then everything Obama does will be declared genius. Any and every mistake will be spun as a holdover mess initiated by the Bush Admin.
But once the honeymoon is over, and all retire to separate bedrooms, the truth will become painfully clear:
Obama won’t know what in the world he is doing.
But that’s they way America wanted it – so that is EXACTLY what they deserve!
The bar has been set so low by George Bush that there is no way to go but up.
And that said Obama has an excellent chance to have his liberal agenda become policy. I think he’ll do it and we’ll all be better off. He’s been a smashing success at everything he has done. Why is there any reason to doubt him? C’mon gang, admit it, a middle class black man becomes President? A monumental accomplishment.
Unlike Bush who was a failure at everything.
“– And, yes, Obama will be “the decider” come January 20th. But how and what is it he will decide?
Frankly, I doubt few if any can answer that definitively right now. –”
Well, let’s see Dan. Obama released hundreds of pages of white papers detailing economic reforms, military redeployments, health care proposals, and tax cuts. To date, he has assembled cabinet and transition team level groups to implement all of those pre-stated objectives.
But is Obama for or against a government sponsored health care package? Who knows! What’s his timetable on Iraq? We can only guess! Who will he pick for Treasury Secretary? I DON’T KNOW BECAUSE I NEVER LEARNED TO READ!
The man is a mystery wrapped in an enigma covered in confusion and stuffed down a pipe full of unanswered questions. Why, he’s only released a press conference a week with extensive TV news coverage detailing his every footstep since he won his new office. Why won’t Obama tell us what he plans to do?!
Damn Harpo do you ever give the BDS ranting a rest?
The idea that Barry has been a “smashing success at everything he has done” is backed up by what?
As editor of Harvard law review he published “zero” articles
There are only two pieces of legislation that he has passed as a US Senator, this from a guy that lasted only 143 days in office before starting his next job hunt.
If he serves one full term in the Oval Office—the Presidency of the United States it would be the longest consecutively held full-time job he has ever held without seeking another.
He doesn’t get to cop out and vote “present” anymore! Just how many “changes” did Obama make when he voted “Present” 130 times?
So, before you start slobbering like a little puppy dog over your boy Barry how about we wait and see if he actually DOES something for a change!
“The idea that Barry has been a “smashing success at everything he has done” is backed up by what?”
C’mon gang, admit it, a middle class black man becomes President? A monumental accomplishment.
How about that one?
Barry’s problem is that he has promised everything to everyone except for “the rich” who he’s going to soak for money to redistribute to the people who don’t produce anything. Every “white paper” and proposal and policy he has is a mile wide and an inch deep. I went to his site to see what his “positions” were and they were boilerplate feel good stuff that had zero info. on the “how” he was going to do all these great things.
The fact that he’s so far done a good job with his transition team isn’t much of an accomplishment.
His idea that construction jobs rebulding the infrastructure is going to fix the economy is either so totally stupid as to be shocking or just another feel good lie because like everyone else, he has no idea how to fix what has been broken.
“We had a decisive win… and so I don’t think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction.”
– President-elect Obama, during his press conference today.
Go for it, Mr. President.
Posted by: Anon | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 05:32 PM
So then, Mr. Know it All, what is your answer to our problems?
More tax cuts for the wealthiest? another pre emptive war? torture more? imprison more folks without due process? tax breaks to buy gas guzzlers? more warrant less spying on Americans?
The only problems Obama has is the mess George Bush left behind. And he is up to the task.
jharp, you seem to be forgetting that I wasn’t a Bush supporter. But here’s what I don’t want to see that in all probability I will see under Obama
1. Violent criminals treated as victims and given the right to vote.
2. A Detroit bailout, which by the way is exactly the same as subsidizing the purchase of gas guzzlers
3. Tax rebates for people who don’t pay taxes.
4. Increased race based policies in the federal government.
5. Tax policies that harm successful small and medium sized business
6. End of secret ballots for unionizing
7. New federal bureaucracy for health care
8. More federal money for education
Here are some things I’d like to see that I won’t see under Obama
1. Legalization of weed and an end to the war on drugs
2. Elimination of earmarks
3. Federal balanced budget
4. Re-instatement of federal block grants to states
5. Elimination of derivatives
6. Elimination of short selling
7. Regulation of futures markets
And here are some things that I will probably see that I agree with
1. Closing of Gitmo
2. Rescinding executive order on torture
3. Rescinding executive orders on endangered species
We’ll see, I’m open to Obama being a success and not being as much of a socialist as I think he is…we’ll see
“jharp, you seem to be forgetting that I wasn’t a Bush supporter. But here’s what I don’t want to see that in all probability I will see under Obama”
Then how in the heck could you not have supported Obama’s candidacy? Remember that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time?
1. Violent criminals treated as victims and given the right to vote.
Don’t care. And I have no idea where you came up with the treated as victims utter nonsense.
2. A Detroit bailout, which by the way is exactly the same as subsidizing the purchase of gas guzzlers
Neutral. I am anti bailout but sometimes it is a necessary evil.
3. Tax rebates for people who don’t pay taxes.
With ya. And how do you get a tax rebate if you don’t pay taxes?
4. Increased race based policies in the federal government.
Don’t care.
5. Tax policies that harm successful small and medium sized business
So I guess you support Obama’s tax cuts? I do.
6. End of secret ballots for unionizing
Don’t know enough about it.
7. New federal bureaucracy for health care
Big one for me. I support a single payer system like every other industrialized country in the world employs at about half the cost.
8. More federal money for education
No opinion.
Here are some things I’d like to see that I won’t see under Obama
1. Legalization of weed and an end to the war on drugs
Agreed though I’m not sure I’d go as far as to make weed legal.
2. Elimination of earmarks
Ain’t gonna happen. It’s the way business is done. It’s called compromising.
3. Federal balanced budget
Nice idea but a long shot for now.
4. Re-instatement of federal block grants to states
Don’t care.
5. Elimination of derivatives
Don’t care.
6. Elimination of short selling
Disagree.
7. Regulation of futures markets
Open to suggestions.
And here are some things that I will probably see that I agree with
1. Closing of Gitmo
2. Rescinding executive order on torture
3. Rescinding executive orders on endangered species
Agree on all three.
So just what is your major bitch about Obama?
–And that said Obama has an excellent chance to have his liberal agenda become policy.
jharp, you haven’t been keeping up in class…uncle barry is moving to the center. your beloved liberal agenda was just a political lie to get your vote, just like we tried to tell you during the election.
What are the chances that barry will accelerate the negotiated timetable for the withdrawl of troops from Iraq? ZERO. Your hero lied to you about your pet issue, and you fell for it hook line and sinker.
America is a center right country, and everyone knows it except you, harpie. even uncle barry.
I have never believed Obama was really going to cut taxes for everyone who makes less than $250K or was that $150K…and I don’t believe it now, he’s going to further cut taxes for people who already barely pay taxes, give people rebates who don’t pay taxes, you’ll have to ask him how the math works out, and soak it to everyone making $70K or more.
I actually liked Obama better than Clinton but was and am totally turned off by his crazy supporters who think he’s godlike even though he’s never accomplished anything other than getting elected. The semi hysterical tone of most of his supporters completely turned me off. There is no way I could vote for someone whose supporters reminded me of Mao’s Red Army of young idealistic nut jobs.
You’re naive if you think that universal health care is going to have any impact on the overall cost of health care, all it is going to do is extend overpriced not-very-good health care to the 40 million who don’t have it now. We will still have the most expensive health care in the world, nothing will happen regarding inefficiencies, plain robbery in the costs that have little relation to the actions and nothing about the most expensive issue of all which is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep 80+ year old people alive whether they wish to be alive or not.
My main issue with Obama is his over focus on people who have failed. Poor people, high school drop outs, criminals, teenage mothers….by and large, simply don’t contribute much to the economy or the country and has horrific as it is going to be for you to read this, that is because in most cases, they don’t have that much to contribute in the first place and no amount of federal intervention is going to change that. You cannot take a person with an IQ of 85 and make them into an entrepreneur or anything other than a marginal member of society.
We need to refocus on the majority of average to above average people who have the intrinsic ability to contribute to society and give them help that will do something other than salve the conscience of the ‘giver’ who can feel good about trying to create ‘a ladder’ for the poor,uneducated person even though everyone knows that 9 out of 10 times the person isn’t going to climb the ladder no matter what you do about it.
That is Darwinian evolution at its best…and a complete heresy to you and people like Obama and the Kos Kids who can never admit that people are simply not equally capable or equally able to contribute to society. We all may have equal value as human beings, but value to society, not so much. Einstein was worth more than Joe down at the corner store with no job and no education and no intelligence…and no matter how many federal dolalrs you spend, you will never turn Joe into Albert Einstein or Bill Gates. Ignoring this basic truth is killing this country.
ET,
You are out of your mind. And you post utter nonsense.
America just elected the most liberal senator in a landslide.
And Obama’s strength has already expedited the end of the Iraq debacle. He might or might not accelerate the withdrawal. I don’t know and neither do you.
Center right? My ass. How’d those center right Senators and reps do up in the northeast?
America is mostly left minus the snake handling backwards hillbillies in the south. And you know it.
“You’re naive if you think that universal health care is going to have any impact on the overall cost of health care, all it is going to do is extend overpriced not-very-good health care to the 40 million who don’t have it now. We will still have the most expensive health care in the world, nothing will happen regarding inefficiencies, plain robbery in the costs that have little relation to the actions and nothing about the most expensive issue of all which is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep 80+ year old people alive whether they wish to be alive or not.”
So your position is to do nothing?
Why wouldn’t we at the least try to adopt a portion of the health care models that cover everyone at half the cost?
My main issue with Obama is his over focus on people who have failed. Poor people, high school drop outs, criminals, teenage mothers….by and large, simply don’t contribute much to the economy or the country and has horrific as it is going to be for you to read this, that is because in most cases, they don’t have that much to contribute in the first place and no amount of federal intervention is going to change that. You cannot take a person with an IQ of 85 and make them into an entrepreneur or anything other than a marginal member of society.
We need to refocus on the majority of average to above average people who have the intrinsic ability to contribute to society and give them help that will do something other than salve the conscience of the ‘giver’ who can feel good about trying to create ‘a ladder’ for the poor,uneducated person even though everyone knows that 9 out of 10 times the person isn’t going to climb the ladder no matter what you do about it.
That is Darwinian evolution at its best…and a complete heresy to you and people like Obama and the Kos Kids who can never admit that people are simply not equally capable or equally able to contribute to society. We all may have equal value as human beings, but value to society, not so much. Einstein was worth more than Joe down at the corner store with no job and no education and no intelligence…and no matter how many federal dolalrs you spend, you will never turn Joe into Albert Einstein or Bill Gates. Ignoring this basic truth is killing this country.
Posted by: Anon | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 07:28 PM
You are a repulsive human being. Everyone deserves a chance to succeed. Every single American. No exceptions.
Maybe you ought to take a look at Hitler’s views. I think you might find yourself agreeing.
KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL AIDE, HARP. It’s quite apparent that you have a daily double dose.
You are so brainwashed that everytime you open your mouth more of you brains float out. Get a “real” life, fool. You remind me of Alan Colmes. ROTF, LMAO.
“The bar has been set so low by George Bush that there is no way to go but up.” harpo marxo
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There are words from leftist freaks – clueless, uninformed, hateful and vicious words – and then there is reality.
58 million people liberated from tyranny in wars that saved lives even as they were being fought; two democracies established; genocidal stalinist nuclear-arms-pursuing dictator dispatched to the next world; al Qaeda defeated and humiliated in Iraq and reputation degraded throughout Muslim world; Tens of thousands of jihadists meet their maker; Homeland safe and secure from terrorist attack.
Reputation of America as liberators and home of the most lethal and moral fighting forces on earth, enhanced.
If Obama’s record is even 25 % as good as this he will be a success in the international arena.
All of Obama’s democraptic patsy’s are showing him the way. He has no clue what is going on. Never has, but he will learn as the on the job training goes on.
Change is coming alright. CHANGE WE CAN “BERIEVE” IN !
I am not a kool aide drinker like many. I have not been enthused by anything he said. He is a good speaker but that is about all he has going for him. “WORDS” just “WORDS” !
He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. 48% of the people voted against Obama. His election sure was not a landslide.
It is a relief to know that there are 48% of voting people still in the USA that were not sucked in by all Barack Hussein Obama’s BS. GOOD FOR THEM !
As time goes on we will see where the patsy’s that are calling the “real shots” lead this country.
God Bless America !
Thank you “President GW Bush for keeping us all safe ! Thank you for all you tried to do for this country. Someone had to take the fall and I am sorry it had to him. He is a decnt and moral man. I admire him a lot. A real person. Not a fake! The “dems” really set him up good. A bunch of worthless greedy scumbags.
“58 million people liberated from tyranny in wars that saved lives even as they were being fought; two democracies established; genocidal stalinist nuclear-arms-pursuing dictator dispatched to the next world; al Qaeda defeated and humiliated in Iraq and reputation degraded throughout Muslim world; Tens of thousands of jihadists meet their maker; Homeland safe and secure from terrorist attack.
Reputation of America as liberators and home of the most lethal and moral fighting forces on earth, enhanced.
If Obama’s record is even 25 % as good as this he will be a success in the international arena. ”
Damn straight. Now add in 8 years of what averaged out to be solid economic growth on the domestic front, and the bar is set pretty damn high for Obama. Sure, Bush let congress spend way too much money and should have vetoed some of the bad budget legislation that he was handed. But, odds are Obama still won’t be as successful a president as Bush has been in terms of domestic policy either. And, it’ll be mostly because Obama has no grasp at all of basic economics because of his far left mindset.
Posted by: WBestPresidentEver | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 08:24 PM
Baseless attacks that lack any substance are no longer in fashion nor effective. (see 2008 election results)
The right wingers got crushed, have no power, and are relegated to the sidelines. Watch and learn.
“Reputation of America as liberators and home of the most lethal and moral fighting forces on earth, enhanced.”
Yeah, right. It only took 7 years and two trillion dollars and 4,200(and counting) lives. To reinforce that well known fact that guerrilla wars are always lost by the occupier. George Bush weakened our military by $2 trillion and 4,200 lives and 50,000 wounded and proving exactly what they can’t do.
What country do you think Obama should invade next? Sudan? Congo?
And moral? Get real. Moral men don’t torture.
jharp,
“The bar has been set so low by George Bush that there is no way to go but up.”
That bar must be higher than you think it is: why are you still alive if Bush was such an incompetent?
“To reinforce that well known fact that guerrilla wars are always lost by the occupier.”
Really? Tell us more about your “well known facts.” How about the successful counter-insurgency by the British in Malaya during the 1950′s? How about the successful counter-insurgency by the Soviets against the Ukrainian Partisan Army? How about our successful counter-insurgency against Al Qaeda (one look at our current casualty rates tells you we’ve won). The counter-insurgency strategy used by Creighton Abrams back in the early 70′s in Vietnam was actually beginning to work when we pulled the plug. The Soviets were actually winning in Afghanistan until the U.S. began supplying AAM’s to the jihadis. We helped Greece defeat a vicious communist insurgency in Greece after World War II. We helped the Filipinos defeat the Huk communist insurgents. The “occupying” Union Army defeated guerilla insurgencies in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina during the Civil War. I could go on…and on…and on….
You’re stupid. You’re a military ignoramus. You know nothing of history. Just admit it and be man enough to tell us what we already know.
Harpo
Rather neat that I drew you ought on the troops
“Moral men don’t torture”
You’re right. They don’t but when an infinitessimal number engage in fraternity hijinks immoral men like you smear the whole damn corps as torturers.
People like you harpo can’t begin to comprehend what it takes to put one’s life on the line for others. And you don’t even know enough to STFU about matters of which you are ignorant. Narcissist.
“You’re right. They don’t but when an infinitessimal number engage in fraternity hijinks immoral men like you smear the whole damn corps as torturers.”
Effe off. I only place the blame where it belongs. On the torturers and our leaders (George Bush) who made it policy. Not on ALL of our troops.
And tell me Mr. Military Expert, how has the defense of “just following orders” held up in war crimes trials?
You are a jackass. And you’re ignorant.
Really? Tell us more about your “well known facts.” How about the successful counter-insurgency by the British in Malaya during the 1950′s?
It was a civil war, jackass. The British neither won nor lost.
“How about our successful counter-insurgency against Al Qaeda (one look at our current casualty rates tells you we’ve won).”
You are an idiot.
“The counter-insurgency strategy used by Creighton Abrams back in the early 70′s in Vietnam was actually beginning to work when we pulled the plug.”
We lost.
“The Soviets were actually winning in Afghanistan until the U.S. began supplying AAM’s to the jihadis.”
The Soviets lost.
“We helped Greece defeat a vicious communist insurgency in Greece after World War II.”
We helped? Do you invaded and occupied?
“We helped the Filipinos defeat the Huk communist insurgents.”
Again, a Civil War that we helped the eventual winner.
“The “occupying” Union Army defeated guerilla insurgencies in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and North Carolina during the Civil War. I could go on…and on…and on….”
Sorry traitor. The United States won that one. And we weren’t occupiers.
And thank you for reinforcing my point. Invasions and occupations never work. Never.
You are a stupid stupid man. And I’ve had about enough stupdity for the ignorant posters here. Unless I see some brains appearing I fear that I have had enough.
Losers. All of you.
Here is your victory in Iraq and against al Qaeda who wasn’t previously in Iraq. $2 trillion taxpayer dollars, 4,200 killed, 50,000 wounded. And OUR economy is on the verge of collapse.
I honestly believe you guys are nuts. For what goddam reason did we invade again?
To empower Iran. Heck. Of. A. Job.
4 Separate Iraq Blasts Kill At Least 23
BAGHDAD, Nov. 24, 2008(CBS/AP) A female suicide bomber blew herself up near an entrance to the U.S.-protected Green Zone and a bomb tore through a minibus carrying Iraqi government employees in separate attacks on Monday that killed at least 20 people, Iraqi officials said.
A third attack on an Iraqi police patrol in Baghdad killed two civilians, police said.
The violence came as Iraqi lawmakers prepared for a vote Wednesday on a security pact with the United States that would enable American forces to stay in Iraq for up to three more years under strict Iraqi oversight.
It’s amusing to see you Harpo desperately clinging to defeat with every last Iraq death. He’s too embarrassed to admit his country won. Gates is staying on as Sec-Def and Baghdad is now safer than Washington.
You were wrong. Bozo.
harpo, you are in your element tonight…arguing against all logic..you must be a blast at a cocktail party.
But you add nothing of substance to the issues of the day, never have.
Do you think the Russians sense weakness???
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081125/D94M8Q700.html
Barry better get a dose of reality fast…I actually believe he will. That means your liberal agenda is out the window again! Just a pipe dream.
Now go to bed and let the grown-ups get to work.
Terry and ET,
Get over it. You lost and lost big though you might hang on to 41 Senate seats.
Your group has no power. None. They are losers. Big losers.
Watch and learn as the most liberal Senator in Congress institutes the most liberal agenda since FDR. (assisted by a liberal house and senate, liberal supreme court nominees to follow soon)
Obama failed at every leadership position he was appointed to. Why wouldn’t he fail at the ulitimate leadership position?
“The bar has been set so low by George Bush that there is no way to go but up.”
Surrender is still an option!
Surrender is still an option!
Posted by: PA | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM
I agree that it was a good idea for the GOP to surrender. Thank God McCain found it in his soul to select Palin and surrender the White House to the better man.
“Do you think the Russians sense weakness?”
I don’t know. What do you think? Has George Bush so weakened our military, our economy, and our standing in the world that the Russians are flaunting their new found power?
You tell me.
Maybe it’s a good time for Bush to attack, invade, and occupy Venezuela. He’s got about two months left.
here ya go harp
here ya go harp
Posted by: cindi | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 01:32 AM
What the hell is that supposed to mean? A stupid post even for here.
Hopefully the wingnuts will spend their time in the wilderness educating themselves. Good grief. I cannot believe what I witness here.
Harpo, I haven’t seen you get a good bitch slapping like this since you got banned from Patterico’s!
Stand up and fight man, don’t just keep using your tired cliches, come up with some real well thought out responses.
How about you lose the weak ass generalities and actually make a meaningfull post for a change?
As far as your 2 trillion for the Iraq war just where the hell do you get that figure from? Only a Daily Koz regular could come up with a figure that out of wack.
The current wall street bail out is costing us more in a couple of months than 7 years of war has.
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
As far as combat deaths we have lost closer to 3500 combat deaths as there is almost 18% of the total deaths that are NOT combat related. We lost nearly that many men on D-Day alone and many times that number at a half dozen battles in the Civil War:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/Battles.htm
Do you just pull this stuff out of your ass, or just make it up as you go along?
jharp…Obummer up to the task??? Based on his failed Chicago educational initiative, or “present votes” as a state senator, or inability to not stammer when without a telepromter? Or maybe it is because of his evasiveness when confronted with his terrorist and Amerikkka hating associations? Or his deep understanding of communist and socialist ideology? Or even his up close and personal relationship with a self proclaimed child molester? Or the years of legal “scholarship” that have exactly “ZERO” published articles? Or his self professed drug use is evidence of the potential for success?
Just what has he done?
The man exemplifies what our young American skateboarders call “poser!”.
No, Jharp, I am not a terrible person, I’m a realist, I don’t pretend that all people are equally smart, equally nice, equally promising, equally deserving or equally able to succeed.
All people have value as human beings, all people deserve basic rights and basic opportunity. Beyond the basics, a successful society will be pragmatic and direct its limited resources toward where it can do the most good for the most people and ensure that the most talented will succeed. Anything other than that is utopian stupidity that will eventually result in a failed society.
However, I can easily see you lavishing hundreds of thousands in tax dollars for an uneducated criminal with no chance or desire to better himself because it makes YOU feel better.
I’m assuming he will perform exactly as he has throughout most of his career….the last one in the room he will agree with until he is confronted whereupon he will shrink from that position, claim you misunderstood him, and move on to the “fog” position, or the position of the person who is confronting him….same old obama.
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the – Web Reconnaissance for 11/26/2008 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day…so check back often.
http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/11/web-reconnaissance-for-11262008.html
“The current wall street bail out is costing us more in a couple of months than 7 years of war has.”
Oh, I get it. Since the GOP and George Bush had another $1 trillion stolen by Wall Street under their watch that it is OK to blow another $1 trillion on an unnecessary war.
“You are a stupid stupid man. And I’ve had about enough stupdity for the ignorant posters here. Unless I see some brains appearing I fear that I have had enough.
Losers. All of you.”
Does this mean we will no longer be graced with your narcissistic ranting? While your missives are at times amusing – because of their simplistic and ill thought out statements – they can be tiring to those of us who are interested in real dialog. In reality, your problem is that you’ve become a legend in your own mind. The rest of us would call it something else.
Doomed to fail? No. Extremely difficult circumstances, yes.
Obama is a very intellectual guy so he certainly has that going for him. He can walk and talk and think at the same time. George W. Bush is so out of his depth in this economic crisis that he has gone into virtual hiding in the White House. I’ll go with the smart guy anytime.
FWIW, Larry Kudlow was singing the praises about Obama’s economic team this morning. Not that I think much of Pollyanna Larry but I found it interesting, nonetheless.
“– Oh, I get it. Since the GOP and George Bush had another $1 trillion stolen by Wall Street under their watch that it is OK to blow another $1 trillion on an unnecessary war. –”
It’s always comforting to see conservatives paint Paulson’s $700 billion bailout plan and Bush’s $1 trillion war as “bi-partisan” if not “Democrat” policies. It proves they have shame enough to want to distance themselves from these two massive clusterfucks, even if it doesn’t prove that they’ve got enough honesty to admit their own party was helping to lead the charge.
That said, I’m still a little amazed at a bunch of political junkies claiming they are completely ignorant of what Obama’s tax policy, war policy, and health care policy intends to be.
He’s assembled task forces to implement all three of these promises to the letter. Dean and Daschele are writing up health care, with Max Baucus preparing his own proposals. Obama’s $500 working tax credit is a centerpiece of his proposed economic stimulus plan. And Obama has already begun contacting the Joint Chiefs about scaling down troop levels in Iraq and redeploying to Afghanistan.
Where has he deviated from his stated campaign pledges? Can you highlight any instance in which Obama hasn’t started the process of fulfilling his promises? So far I haven’t seen a single link indicating that Barack is backing down on any of these central issues.
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It didn’t help the economy when Bush gave everyone a check for $600, if this is the best Obama can do, then we are in for a very bad four years.
Todd: ” I’ll go with the smart guy anytime.”
Oh you will huh? William Buckley had an answer for folks who take it upon themselves to judge the mental capacities for political leadership of people they don’t really know.
Here it is, Todd: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/williamfb400600.html
“Damn straight. Now add in 8 years of what averaged out to be solid economic growth on the domestic front
Posted by: EyeDoc | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 08:31 PM ”
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8 years of solid economic growth, EyeDoc? I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. It’s in excellent shape.
“Reputation of America as liberators and home of the most lethal and moral fighting forces on earth, enhanced.”
Yeah, right. It only took 7 years and two trillion dollars and 4,200(and counting) lives. To reinforce that well known fact that guerrilla wars are always lost by the occupier. George Bush weakened our military by $2 trillion and 4,200 lives and 50,000 wounded and proving exactly what they can’t do.
What country do you think Obama should invade next? Sudan? Congo?
And moral? Get real. Moral men don’t torture.
Posted by: jharp | Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 08:41 PM
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jharp, don’t misplace the blame for torture on military guys following orders. Soliders who don’t follow orders get court martialed. Place the blame where it belongs : on Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and anyone else in the Bush Administration who made the decision.. They’re the immoral ones who have destroyed our standing in the world.
Keep in mind this is Tom Andrews, Mr. “Win Without War.” I wouldn’t invest much into anything he says.
My bad jharp. I see you clarified what you were saying and were placing the full blame for torture on BushCo.
And, please don’t give up on posting in this forum. It’s frustrating for sure, but retreat is not an option.
Todd: ” I’ll go with the smart guy anytime.”
Oh you will huh? William Buckley had an answer for folks who take it upon themselves to judge the mental capacities for political leadership of people they don’t really know.
Here it is, Todd: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/williamfb400600.html
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 01:08″
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Fred, to quote a famous non-intellectual, “you betcha!” Having just experienced a disastrous 8 years of a guy with at best average intellligence, I will take the smart guy every time. Jeez, George W. Bush had a C average at Yale. For Chrissakes, who gets a C average at Yale?!??!?! Mostly only the people who had family influence in getting them into the school, and a few goofball slackers. George W. Bush aptly fits both descriptions. And then with his C average at Yale, he somehow got accepted into Harvard Business School. He sure exhibited a lot of skills he learned at Harvard during this economic crisis ! I guess they taught how to hide out in the White House real well at Harvard.
“Bush attended Sam Houston Elementary School and San Jacinto Junior High School in Midland, Texas. He later moved to The Kinkaid School in Piney Point Village, Texas for two years. Afterward, like his father, Bush attended Phillips Academy (September 1961–June 1964[2][3][4] and later Yale University (September 1964–May 1968). At Yale, he joined Delta Kappa Epsilon, of which he was president from October 1965 until graduation, and the Skull and Bones secret society; Bush’s father George H. W. Bush (1948) and grandfather Prescott S. Bush (1917) were also members of Skull and Bones. Bush was also in the Yale First XV rugby union team in 1968.[5] He was a C student, scoring 77% (with no As and one D, in astronomy) with a grade point average of 2.35 out of a possible 4.00. Bush has joked that he was known more for his social life than for his grades.[6] He received a Bachelor of Arts degree in history in 1968….In 1970 Bush applied to the University of Texas School of Law and was rejected.[7] After serving in the Texas Air National Guard, Bush entered Harvard Business School in 1973. He received a Masters of Business Administration (MBA) degree in 1975, and is the first U.S. president to hold an MBA.”
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“How about you lose the weak ass generalities and actually make a meaningfull post for a change?
As far as your 2 trillion for the Iraq war just where the hell do you get that figure from? Only a Daily Koz regular could come up with a figure that out of wack.
The current wall street bail out is costing us more in a couple of months than 7 years of war has.
Posted by: SacTownMan | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 03:35 AM ”
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Vanity Fair has an article that it’s a $3 trillion war when you factor in the long term and ancillary costs. And are you suggesting then that the Iraq War was a bargain because it cost less than the boondoggle bailouts, SacTownMan? And for the life of me I can’t understand why we need any bailouts because we’ve had “8 years of solid economic growth on the domestic front”, according to econo-guru EyeDoc.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/stiglitz200804
harpo and todd…todd and harpo…same old shit.
you were, and are, wrong about the Iraq war. Even barry knows we must stay for the next several years to assure our success, despite his posturing to get your vote. Now he will keep bush’s secdef Gates and stay the proper course.
Don’t you feel used? Where’s cindy sheehan when you need a shoulder to cry on?
“Bushco” will be hailed as geniuses by future generations for stabilizing the region during its most turbulent period. You grandchildren will be on school holiday on George W. Bush day. And you will both still be fools and dupes.
Here is your victory in Iraq and against al Qaeda who wasn’t previously in Iraq. $2 trillion taxpayer dollars, 4,200 killed, 50,000 wounded. And OUR economy is on the verge of collapse.
I honestly believe you guys are nuts. For what goddam reason did we invade again?
To empower Iran. Heck. Of. A. Job.
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Ya know, I can’t really remember. There were so many different rationale that kept changing with the dynamic of the failing occupation. Off the top of my head I can remember 1) to rid Iraq of (non-existant) WMD…..2) to establish democracy in Iraq…..3) Al Qaeda in Iraq, and we had to fight them over there or they’d follow us home…4) we had to stay to train the Iraqi Army to fight terrorism…5) to prevent genocide in Iraq if we left….6)if we left, oil prices would go up …..what have I left out?
“Bushco” will be hailed as geniuses by future generations for stabilizing the region during its most turbulent period. You grandchildren will be on school holiday on George W. Bush day.
Posted by: ET | Wednesday, November 26, 2008 at 02:50 PM
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I have another bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too, ET. And, I promise it’s really not the same bridge I’m selling to EyeDoc.
you were, and are, wrong about the Iraq war. Even barry knows we must stay for the next several years to assure our success, despite his posturing to get your vote. Now he will keep bush’s secdef Gates and stay the proper course.
Don’t you feel used?
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Nope, not at all. Obama campaigned since 2007 that he would assess conditions on the ground, and act accordingly ensuring an orderly withdrawal. He’s a pragmatist. No surprises here. Any liberals who are disappointed weren’t listening to him on the campaign trail.
–Nope, not at all. Obama campaigned since 2007 that he would assess conditions on the ground, and act accordingly ensuring an orderly withdrawal.
sounds exactly like what mr. bush has been saying since 2003.
I see now…barry was against the war before he was for the war. Of course he still won’t acknowledge that the surge worked despite the efforts of his democrat cohorts to sabotage it.
I assume that you support the war now that we’ve won and a democrat is in charge. Much more difficult to stand firm when the going is tough. thank God Bush was in office.
typical liberal hypocrite.
Ya know, ET. Make your posts but keep it factual by posting some links to your misinformation, and stop with the name calling.
Obama has always been against the war but once we’re in it, we’re in it and he has voted to support the troops. That doesn’t mean he supports the war.
I don’t support the war. It was an unnecessary war of choice. Doesn’t matter who is in charge, it was the wrong war. It doesn’t mean I support pulling out rashly, and I support Obama who will do it the right way.
And, Obama has said that the surge succeeded. Are you misinformed, lying or just too much in denial to admit that he said it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5wKsGzxkiE
and thank god bush will soon be out of office….good riddance !
All you bush bashers and blamers can stick it where the son don’t shine.
You know the truth but want or can’t come to admit it. GET A LIFE ! The Bush & Cheney bashing is getting old, very old.
Go get another jug of Kool Aide and celebrate the destruction of AMERICA as we once knew it with your new bud.
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