A Drudge Intrigue: Is Hillary Dropping Out?
Just as I finished writing about how Hillary is not done, Drudge shines the flashing light with some interesting verbiage. Note that it uses the plural "campaigns." It also cites Carville. One cannot be re-born until you die. What better way to do it than to plant the story of your demise, eventually pinning it on the underhanded dealings of a presumably noble competitor’s campaign? Nothing like sucking the wind out of your competitions headline grabbing success with a staged funeral that doesn’t take place. I don’t buy it at all.
TALK OF HILLARY EXIT ENGULFS CAMPAIGNS
Mon Jan 07 2008 09:46:28 ETFacing a double-digit defeat in New Hampshire, a sudden collapse in national polls and an expected fund-raising drought, Senator Hillary Clinton is preparing for a tough decision: Does she get out of the race? And when?!
"She can’t take multiple double-digit losses in New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada," laments one top campaign insider. "If she gets too badly embarrassed, it will really harm her. She doesn’t want the Clinton brand to be damaged with back-to-back-to-back defeats."
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Key players in Clinton’s inner circle are said to be split. James Carville is urging her to fight it out through at least February and Super Tuesday, where she has a shot at thwarting Barack Obama in a big state. But others close to the former first lady now see no possible road to victory, sources claim.
You are right to doubt the story. Hillary is like the bad guy in every horror movie. When you think you are safe, they rise up, pull the knife out of their chest, and go on with their rampage! While the audience is screaming “Watch out!”
They are setting the scene for “comeback kid Hillary”
Rumor Mill: Hillary Clinton To Drop Out Of Race After Double-Digit Defeat In New Hampshire
As I read the breaking news from The Drudge Report, the tears began to flow uncontrollably; Sir Hillary Rodham Clintons presidential goose just might be cooked. My heart is broken. No, really. It is. No, thats not a smil…
Wait, you are taking information from Matt Drudge? This guy broke the “story” on Bill Clinton and Monica and is
a professional Clinton hater and U believe this gay asshole?
Matt Drudge wants Obama to get the nod as he is convinced that White America will NOT elect a black man
and then we can get another term by a Bush clone.
How about this:
Vote Edwards.
Then you’ll have a smart, good-looking, southern-based, progressive, anglo policy wonk who’ll mop the floor with any Republican opponent.
Edwards.
I can’t see this as a serious story this early in the game. Bill C. was comeback kid, wasn’t he? I do not believe she will throw in the towel this soon.
Hillary stays, no matter what. There’s too much money out there to leave behind.
Of course, one could make the same argument in speaking of why she might cut and run. She has a history of leaving with that which is not hers.
“Then you’ll have a smart, good-looking, southern-based, progressive, anglo policy wonk.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That’s the funniest line of BS I have seen since Dukakis driving a tank! Well maybe Jimmy getting nuclear proliferation advice from his buck toothed kid was funnier.
Careful Wahoo Willie, someone on here want to be under the desk (replacing Monica) with Silky in the chair.
Yeah Scrapiron, you may be right. I hope whoever it is is poor though so Edwards will be comfy. He’s used to making his living off the poor you know.
Wahoo Willie…You have no credibility.
Wow, so you’re saying a Poor American who educates himself and raises himself up by his boot straps to go on and LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM is a bad guy because he’s wealthy?
I find it amazing that the conservative know nothings bash Americans who worked hard, and became self-made men, vs. rich punks who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth; I mean, c’mon…13 million dollars in your daddy’s stock while you’re just in Little League?
You have no credibility.
And then ignore Bush, in favor of bashing Edwards? How ignorant.
Wow…so much for “republican BS about the American Dream.” You can only live it if you’re born into it; i.e. the bushes.
Nothing really bad can be said about Edwards; so they latch on to $400 haircuts (um, wait, how much was Romney’s recently? yea, that’s what I thought). Good luck with that.
And, oh yea, Hils is not dropping out; she has the majority of the delegates so far. Check it out.
Oh yea, Wahoo Willie…
I thought the funniest thing was seeing bush wearing a Flight suit, stepping out of a Jet that he wasn’t flying, with a big, propaganda banner proclaimign “Mission Accomplished”
HAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT, sir, was funny.
Nothing really bad can be said about Edwards;
PLEASE STOP with the comedy, I have tears in my ears and my sides ache from the laughter!
That “dark horse” is looking mighty pale to the Republicans, ain’t he? Watch’em start counting the the “plagues”. C’ya George–and buddies!
I find no more fault with Edwards’ making wealth, aside from the manner in which he chose to make said wealth may be at best questioned, in light of his sudden spurt of populism.
I do take issue with that his so-called populism and desire to dismantle American corporate growth, when he lavishes himself with his earnings in a manner that would make a Russian Tsar … or more recently, a high ranking member of the Soviet Nomenklatura (communist party élites) blush.
But then, there’s this guy’s supporters who like to swipe campaign signs… if this particular candidate were indeed the Second Coming of Reagan, why do his supporters stoop to tactics that not even Ron Paulians would try?
a professional Clinton hater and U believe this gay asshole?
Matt Drudge wants Obama to get the nod as he is convinced that White America will NOT elect a black man You’re calling someone else a hater? Gotta mirror?
Hillary dropping out???
When Hell freezes over AND when pigs fly.
“a smart, good-looking, southern-based, progressive, anglo policy wonk who’ll mop the floor with any Republican opponent.”
Smart: define your terms. It seems that you are confusing being the ATLA water-boy == brains.
Good-looking: insofar as that goes …
Progressive: i.e., touting a political policy line which has demonstrably become regressive in recent decades, sure; advocating “progress”, BZZZZZT. Well, unless “progress” means carrying the ATLA water pail …
And I have a feeling that Edwards is a less-viable gen-el candidate than Hillary is.
“I find it amazing that [you] bash Americans who worked hard, and became self-made men, vs. rich punks who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth”
Taken like this, it’s hard to tell whether you’re complaining about the hard-working Ron Paul versus the silver-spooned Kennedy clan, or what.
“Nothing really bad can be said about Edwards”
ATLA.
“so they latch on to $400 haircuts”
That too. Ostentation in the guy who serves the poor is one of the better ways to demonstrate that philosophy, ainnit?
Geeze Joshie, You’re an angry little kid aren’t you? First off, the break girl was NEVER ‘poor’. He has no concept of the word and daddy paid for his law degree, not himself. I realize that most Amureecams have no idea how people like Edwards get into 28 thousand square foot homes by suing the “big, greedy corporations” Most people have never been involved in a class action suit in thier lives. And frankly Joshie, I’ve a feeling that you dont have enough “life” behind you to understand this. Edwards and his ilk sue corporations, get multi-million dollar settlements which they take 60% or more of while the people they are “standing up for” usually working poor and barely literate SPLIT the remainder. That’s why the ambulance chasers have TV commercials wanting you to call if you ever saw a Joe Camel ad over someones shoulder while riding a bus. They get a big ole check for half a million and you get one for 60 bucks……cuz they’re looking out for you. Edwards is an elitist snob who steals as much from the poor as the “rich”. Which is why he has tried his best to have his working class nieghbor’s property condemned because it detracts from the value of his 28 thousand square foot mansion. Now, I don’t really have a problem with how he makes his money or that he lives in a mansion while his brother lives in a double wide. My problem is with him….or the rest of his kind….lying about how they got where they are and trying thier damndest to keep me from getting there. I mean really, who the hell do these people think they are???? How can they so easily fool kids like you?
Oh and Joshie…I’m not a republican…..See I want them ALL, both parties out of my pocket and out of my way. Maybe when you actually start paying half your income to people like Mr Edwards. You too will join those of us who are fed up with these partisan assholes who steal our money and make lettuce pickers of our youth.
Wahoo, you have no credibility. You know why? Because you have no credibility. Credibility is what you lack. Know why? ’cause you are lacking in credibility. That’s why.
Fred; It’s probably because I cut my own hair………..what’s left of it.
I wish you would cut mine too. I’m tired of paying $400 a clip.
Wonder what Joshie would say if he knew Edwards voted in favor of the Patriot Act.
He would say: “Wahoo Willie, you lack credibility.”
I bet Mrs. Snarky Doucher would also agree that Wahoo Willie is lacking in credibility, because, you know… all Wahoos lack credibility.
Its like one of those tautology thingies, don’tcha y’know.
This just in from the WaPo:
“Anonymous Internet Doofus claims that a Wahoo Willie has no credibility, thus proving that all Wahoo Willies are incredible!”.
Film at eleven.
“Wahoo, you have no credibility. You know why? Because you have no credibility. Credibility is what you lack. Know why? ’cause you are lacking in credibility. That’s why.”
“Fred; It’s probably because I cut my own hair………..what’s left of it.”
LOL!
By the way, I see Hillary broke down in tears: “Her voice breaking and tears in her eyes, she said, “You know, this is very personal for me. It’s not just political it’s not just public..”
Aw, gee. What a shame. Let’s all get together and vote for her. Two or three times. Today.
“Tautology” – the science of leaving yourself enough rope to hang yourself by?
The Pantsuit Implosion (UPDATE) The Queen is Crying
Aww, let’s all feel sorry for her now.
Not.
I suppose rejection is always personal. One should consider these things before deciding to run for office. There is always at least one rejectee. After careful consideration, I concluded it would be me every time; so I never ran. Boo hoo.
“Tautology” – the science of leaving yourself enough rope to hang yourself by?”
Well, it’s been a while. I mean Socrates was ill, but still around. But if I remember correctly. You would have enough rope but it would be in a circle and therefore pretty much useless for hanging oneself. I know little of credible though I did help replace Johnny Ried with Richard Burr and proximity do help one know a bit more about a person than someone infatuated with a haircut and constantly blinking eyes…. So I may not be credible but I am incredulous that anyone would take this faux populist for anything more than an opportunist. I now throw myself on the mercy of the court.
Now who made “the girl” cry this time????
Wonder if rwily ever ran. Probably not. His unscrupulous opponent (that’s what all political opponents are, unscrupulous) might have accused him of being a cat liker.
a CAT liker?
or a Cat LICKER?
Both are grave evils which must be…
*ahem*
… thoroughly licked.
I thought cats were kind of self-licking critters, like, oh I don’t know, the Boob.
*shudder*
Thanks for that awful visual of HairyBoob licking himself. Ya’ll pardon me while I go see if I can find a less disturbing image to fix on, like … say, a cat hacking up a hairball.
“all Wahoo Willies are incredible.”
I must admit that my friend Willie makes this blackened grouper with a lime sauce. Yep, he’s incredible. Bless his little Jamaican heart.
Sounds delish… I might have to pop on in and see the Real Wahoo Willie and try the delish fish dish for me’self.
Were it not for my trip to Japan this week, I would be in Confederate territory helping the Fred! in SC… but finances and time are not on my side this time…. alas.
Seeker, It costs less to go from NY to SC than from NY to Japan. I can only blame public schools.
First of all, Edwards is not a class action lawyer who takes his 60% and leaves the poor with $60. If you check the following website you will finally have a clue what you are talking about. Second, Edwards is second only to Kucinich in his progressive views. Those two are the only ones who really understand that it ain’t religion or fearmongering that is killing this country, it is corporatism — or as Benito Mussolini called it, Facism. http://news.findlaw.com/newsmakers/john.edwards.html
gatorboy; Look up proximity. I don’t need to read your little link or other propaganda
“a CAT liker? or a Cat LICKER?”
Cats only provide a barely rudimentary capacity for attracting actual affection; that said, we have two. One in, one out. The one out is a worker and is required to keep down the mice in the barn. As payment, she can have the odd bird.
The one in is a slug-a-bed and I find myself silently rooting for their naturally short mortality.
Insofar as “cat” is euphamised, as often as possible.
“If you check the following website you will finally have a clue what you are talking about.”
Right. Because personal injuries loyyers are so-o-o-o-o much better.
“Edwards is second only to Kucinich in his progressive views”
Denny K is a Grade-A nincompoop. If you’re trying to claim Edwards is merely Grade-B, I don’t think there’d be much dissent.
“it ain’t religion or fearmongering that is killing this country, it is corporatism”
Right. The one thing which seeks to intervene between outright governmental control of the population and provide for both material prosperity AND a significantly more reactive governing structure.
Isn’t it ironic that the 20th century’s quintessential fascist called “corporatism” fascism? It got in his way.
Take a lesson.
Oh goatboy: I will give Johnny Reid credit for one thing. When he found out he was working for thugs who sold bad mortgages to people who could not afford them. He did take his own money and start a fund to help keep people from being thrown in the streets.
rwilymz: Just so you know, though I imagine you do, the goatboy remark was a play on gatorboy and in no way intended as a remark toward anyone’s hobby farming pursuits.
Um, Edwards wasn’t a class action attorney. I wonder if anyone could provide any evidence that he ever entered into any unlawful or unethical fee arrangement with any of his clients. Ever. Like, one time.
“— It costs less to go from NY to SC than from NY to Japan —”
This is so true.
I reckon about $150 for a rental car and maybe $600 or so for gas (rough guess, to include time spent driving in SC) or a flight to Charleston or Columbia ($200~300-ish) plus rental car ($150) plus gas ($50~100-ish). Or the ole’ GreyHound Special ($150-ish) if my back somehow held up to them torture racks erm, *seats* in them buses.
For Japan, an extreme budget flight for the neighborhood of $500-600 can be had with multiple layovers and the non-service typical of every domestic flight here in the US… but for me, the $1100-ish I spent to get there is money well spent (although this is taking into account that I am spoiling myself by flying directly with Japan Airlines… I will never fly an American or Canadian (Air Canada *hack*ptui!*) carrier for 17 hours ever again.
Moreover, I am going to join my wife and baby boy (well, not so much baby anymore) are presently over there enjoying the Japanese New Year and her brother’s wedding among other things; a pesky little thing called work kept getting in my way, but I’ve managed to carve out a couple of weeks to visit the relatives back in the Japanese Empire, as well as enjoy some of the best dang sushi that was ever carved from the side of a 100kg. tuna.
Tanaka-sensei (a master sushi-ya) who has been practicing her craft for the better part of nearly 90 years will have plates full of the best cuts of mushiana – a fabulously delectable type of eel native to the Setōnaikai/Inland Sea – and super fatty Tuna Belly (Ōtoro) along with arguably the best fatty salmon (Sake-Ōtoro)… Kirin Lager, and possibly some Satsuma Potato Shōchu, if the relatives from that part of the country sent it up.
Almost as much fun as seeing the in laws, hitting a night of the Kansai region’s sushi (if not the best in Japan) and maybe a close third of the hot springs near the Arima mountains is about hog heaven for me.
A few more days, and boy, I cannot wait.
From Wickipedia: “Edwards sued the American Red Cross three times, alleging transmission of AIDS through tainted blood products, resulting in a confidential settlement each time.”
That would be a class action.
No one ever implied the man did anything illegal. (legality has NOTHING to do with right/wrong) and “ethics” are a matter of perspective, like logic.
Seek: I got to go to Tokyo once from Bangkok then to Seattle to Savannah courtesy of the Air Force. Didn’t get much time in Japan but after 9 months in Siam, I couldn’t have cared less. Id like to go back sometime.
I wouldn’t blame her for withdrawing. She has been betrayed by the people who she has dedicated her life to defending. Obama is the biggest traitor of them all. What does that say about his presidency should he win the general election? Obama is out for Obama and Obama only. The year of Obama will go down as the year of infamey, the year of the traitor.
Wrong. Suing three times isn’t a class action. Suing three times is … suing three times. Do you even know what a class action is? How they work?
Ah, so there is no accusation of Edwards charging unlawful fees, nor a suggestion that Edwards violated ethical standards. Yet somehow something “wrong” was done vis-a-vis his fee arrangements. In what case did Edwards’ fee arrangement constitute “wrong doing” of any kind? What was the fee arrangement and why was it “wrong”?
I wont argue symantics with you. Why is it wrong? No one here said it was wrong, unless I’m missing something. What is wrong, in my opinion, is for you to tell me that I am wrong from charging a fifty percent margin of profit for my product, when you charge the same for yours.It is wrong, in my opinion, for you to tell me that my pick up is destroying the environment, when your house uses more fossil fuel in a week that I do in a year. In short, it is my opinion that you have no right to claim to be an advocate of the poor, etc when you live like a king and do all you can to keep me from living like a prince. Legal or lawful has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with right/wrong.
“She has been betrayed by the people who she has dedicated her life to defending…The year of Obama will go down as the year of infamey, the year of the traitor.”
??? What’s up with that, CLASSIFIDE? Come on, say it out loudly and clearly so we can all hear what a racist thinks.
Oh my gosh, has it finally, at last (they kind of mean the same thing when you get right down to it) come to this? Treachery in the formerly smoke-filled room? Madame R-C was b-e-t-r-a-y-e-d? By Mr. Obama? Scoundrel, jackanapes, peacock, rake, mountebank, candidate (they also kind of mean the same thing when you finally, at last get right down to it).
Ah, someone who has acheived wealth can not be an advocate for the poor. Got it. Irrelevant to my questions, of course.
You said that Edwards was involved in class action work.
He was not. You don’t know what a class action is.
You said “Edwards and his ilk sue corporations, get multi-million dollar settlements which they take 60% or more of while the people they are ‘standing up for’ usually working poor and barely literate SPLIT the remainder.” The implication being that he did something “wrong.”
When? What case? Prove it.
Edit: in short your “lack of credibility” as described above, tends to stem from the simple fact that you’re ill-informed as to the subject matter about which you purport to opine. What’s interesting is that you don’t appear to feel the slightest bit silly about it.
What!?
The Democratic knives are coming out?
Whoodathunkit! Treachery and Jackanapery in the same thread.
Good sir, I have you know that my feathers are a-ruffled by these shocking allegations of Democratic skullduggery!
Ruffled, I tell you! Now off I fly to my haberdasher to repair the damage that has been done to my plumage!
legaleagle, when did you come out of the closet? We’ve missed you, sort of. Only a lawyer could defend another lawyer with such bulldog-like ferocity, and likewise defend those hefty fees of course. But hey, why shouldn’t you guys make as much as a hockey or basketball player? It is just that Edwards is such a bold hypocrite. Isn’t there something in his manse that is made by some corporation somewhere. And if so, isn’t he dealing with the devil? He exempts no corporation from his hit list as far as I know. Or does he only refuse to deal with health insurers?
From Wiki again: “In law, a class action or a representative action is a procedural device used in litigation to determine the rights of and remedies, if any, for large numbers of people whose cases involve common questions of law and/or fact.” Using this definition, the suit against the Red Cross (of all people. Talk about helping the poor) is a classic example of “determine the rights of and remedies, if any, for large numbers of people ” , ie people who got AIDS from tainted blood and others who might. As I have been involved in two class actions (one actually turned out to be quite lucrative) I might be slightly familiar with how they work. KNowing a few ambulance chasers may also help one form an opinion. I wont look up others for you.
I also stated very clearly MY opinion and I’m not changing my opinion. And yes, one can clearly achieve wealth and advocate for the poor. Bill Gates comes to mind immediately. Michael Jordan, whom I know, is another fair example. Difference? They are’t telling anyone that they should be doing more while doing less.
Oh my, just heard Hillary’s crying jag! Forget the trader Obama. I must vote for Hil now cause she cares soooo much for Amerika.
“Only a lawyer could defend another lawyer.” If that’s a lawyer (law student possibly, but I suspect the child of a lawyer) we are sunk. Absolutely no chance to out shister a shister. I do resent the implication, if coming from a lawyer, of lack of credibility. Rest assured a real lawyer would have to ask a para-legal to spell credible.
Methinks the credibility charge was leveled by some preteener.
Lord, the Red Cross cases weren’t “class actions.” Only 2 opinions of the 3 are actually published. They are Doe. v. Am. Nat’l Red Cross; and Watson v. Lowsountry Red Cross – both from the 4th Circuit. Go ahead, look them up. Evidently, your “involvement” in class actions didn’t rise to the level of actually litigating one. Still waiting for any evidence that Edwards employed 60% fee arrangements (which would be illegal and unethical by the way).
What’s that? Nothing?
Wahoo Willie – sorry my ignoring the protocol of proximity was such a buzzkill. Too bad the string died. Ooooh…it didn’t. Some of us, however, can’t spend hours on end flogging, and we are interrupted by little things like work. When I see reich-wing propoganda masquerading as intelligent discourse I feel that it is my duty to address it, no matter how much time has lapsed. I didn’t realize you are as sensitive as you are blinded. And “goatboy?” How will I ever sleep tonight.
The 18-29 age group elected a Popular Wrestler as their Governor a few years back. See how that turned out, now they are trying to get a Pop Star elected as our President.How soon they forget or have no idea of what I am talking about. This is no time for young folks experiments. Tumblebug
Totally Heterosexual Conservative: “Still waiting for any evidence that Edwards employed 60% fee arrangements (which would be illegal and unethical by the way).”
I don’t know about Edwards and his arrangements but I do know of a case here in Florida [not mentioning names] where a settlement of $15,000 netted the lawyer $9,900 along with a $1,500 finders fee to another lawyer. (!) And since it involved a person dying of cancer who had also lost her job because she reported child abuse it was pretty shameful to say the least…Or shall we say ‘pretty typical of lawyers now days?’
All of the above is illegal and unethical. Those lawyers should be disbarred and in jail. Although, hardly typical, stuff like that does happen. However, bad behavior exists in all professions. And of course, because a lawyer in FL behaved in such a manner, does not mean that John Edwards ever did the same. In fact, if he had, he would have been disbarred and probably thrown in jail for a period of time. I am unaware of that ever happening.
THC is correct, by thier own rules a lawyer may take up to 50% of a settlement and of course they ALL do this. None would bill extra crap like dinner for para’s working late, etc to pad thier take. I have to take the hit for saying specifically that Johnny Reid would do such a thing without his billing records here.
Oh and gatorboy….not everyone has to work. You’re correct though. It’s just silly to beat a dead horse forever.
“someone who has acheived wealth can not be an advocate for the poor.”
It makes it more difficult to be taken seriously, particularly when that “advocate” fusses and preens in very public ways.
“The implication being that he did something “wrong.”"
There’s wrong and then there’s wrong.
People the nation over consider Roger Clemens to have been wrong for taking steroids [allegedly] and then lying about it [allegedly] as “B-12 and” whatever shots. There is nothing illegal about either, particularly when he is accused of taking steroids, though the popular consensus of “wrong” is thoroughly undeniable.
Whether you care to admit it or not, there is a group of people in this country who considers the [legal] actions of loyyers who advertise, effectively trolling the public airwaves for personal injury clients, to be “wrong” in doing so. And whether you care to ackowledge it or not, this group is fairly large, coming close to a majority in some areas. This group considers it abusive, manipulative and a miserly pimping of the marginals from our society into disproportionate self-betterment for the loyyer … and little else.
Who’s to say that’s unaccurate?
Now, for someone who is putatively from a current group who has taken to [claiming to be] finding their personal philosophies roundly ignored by the majority, for you to do the same would seem to be grand hypocrisy.
And for your information, a guy who is in practice as a personal injury loyyer often makes those cases into class actions when/where he can. Increases the fee basis. But I’m certain you already knew that. One can practice class actions in many areas of law.
“Still waiting for any evidence that Edwards employed 60% fee arrangements (which would be illegal and unethical by the way)”
That depends, as you surely know, on the agreements made prior to accepting the case, almost always signed in writing by all parties, and any billables padding.
…which is also strictly unethical, but a common loyyerly gambit particularly among a certain subset of large-monetary-return case-style loyyers. …such as, um … not to name names or anything … personal injuries types.
Now if your loyyer costs $500/hr and he worked 2,000 hours, and his staff worked another 48,000 hours [at the reduced cost of $250/hr], then how are you going to prove otherwise?
Short answer: you aren’t. And you can do the math as well as I can to figure out how large a settlement needs to be for it to amount to 60% of the award. There have been cases where the legal work ate up more than 60% of the award.
All of this is what makes the following joke funny: A lawyer died and met St Peter at the Heavenly Gates. Upon arriving he pleaded with the saint, “…but I’m too young to die! I’m only 41!!.” St Peter replied, “But your billable hours shows that you’re 87…”
Yuck it up; that’s hillarious.
So are your protestations. …though probably not by design.
John Edwards is in pretty good shape, if all his self righteous ememies can talk about are a $400
haircut. You might as well get one thing clear though, it was just one time, and that’s what that
ahole “barber” billed him. He came to the hotel, and then billed him for time he may have lost with other customers. Edwards had no idea that he was going to do that. Time is at a premium on the campaign trail, so get real. And while were at it, all you God forsaken Hillary haters out there, need to realize why you feel that way. At least her life has been dedicated to helping people, and not just insuring that the “have mores” have more. If one dislikes Bush, at least there is justification. He has turned the World on it’s end many times over, and we are all suffering for it. Having typed in the above, I am still voting for Edwards, because I think he has the fight in him, to take on the mighty, and self anointed special interests.
I just think it’s cute that you guys purport to lecture about the processes involved with class actions without citing one class action rule in any jurisdiction, or accurately describing how the device tends works, or how firms go about signing up clients; how the claim is administered; how the fees are distrubuted after a court-approved settlement arrangement; notice requirements; etc. Hint: Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
It’s also cute that you purport to understand the legal and ethical rules with respect to contingent fees – most personal injury lawyers work on such a basis. When called on being factuall innacurate – repeatedly – never have I seen so much preening and puffery from individuals who can’t provide answers to very simple questions in response to your very own assertions:
1. How was John Edwards involved with class actions when he wasn’t a “class action lawyer”? A class action is a very specific procedural device; he was either involved with class actions or he was not.
2. How do you know he ever charged fees that were improper? Ever. One time. But it would be irreponsible not to speculate right? You have lots of “almost always” and “such behavior is typical among lawyers” but strangely no evidence that such is true, or that Edwards engaged in such conduct. But he must have!!! Rush told me!!!
Oh, but understanding the topic about which one opines, and actually having some experience with it is ELITIST!!!!! It’s all very cute, is all. I’ll be sure to take all I’ve learned from your wikipedia citations to the next gig!
Be well, revellers of Rhenquist, o wards of Warren, o olivers of wendel holmes-es!
“You might as well get one thing clear though, it was just one time”
And we know that … because you say so?
That certainly helps!!
“all you God forsaken Hillary haters out there, need to realize why you feel that way”
Because her philosophies are trivial, hackneyed and overwrought with smarm?
Just a guess…
“At least her life has been dedicated to helping people”
Aye, and herself most of all.
She is a ‘people’
“not just insuring that the “have mores” have more”
Can you possibly whine just a little more loudly and in more derivative dogmatism?
Please? I’m asking nicely, here.
“If one dislikes Bush, at least there is justification.”
There is justification for disliking anyone, even your heros.
“He has turned the World on it’s end many times over, and we are all suffering for it.”
Frankly, the world could use it, and a bit more. But I’m not suffering. I, for one, have both an education and a job, but I can’t speak for you. You may be in that class which needs to have special assistance because the only thing you have shown any particular talent in is whining.
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“I just think it’s cute that you guys purport to lecture about the processes involved with class actions without citing one class action rule in any jurisdiction”
“Everyone under the sun” v RJReynolds, Madison Co IL.
“…or accurately describing how the device tends works”
Poorly. But that’s my opinion. …shared by a gre-e-e-eat many.
“or how firms go about signing up clients”
Advertisements on radio, television, periodicals and local newspapers. Not to mention direct mailings to known customers/clients of the target firm. I myself have been solicited twice in the past six months about joining class actions against my telephone company over charging me about $0.16/month too much over a period of about 8 months, and another against my life insurance company. All I’d need to do is fill out about 75 pages worth of forms with more personal information and financial records than I care to look up [let alone share] and I could be the proud owner of a check for $2.48.
Woohoo!! Lucky day!!
“how the claim is administered”
As per rules of procedure in the jurisdiction involved.
Come on, “counsellor”!
“how the fees are distrubuted after a court-approved settlement arrangement”
In the case of the universe v Reynolds, they weren’t; Reynolds appealed and the had to put up a surety bond with the county of approximately $6b-b-b-billion, out of which Madison Co garnered approximately $11M in interest annually over just over two years as interest.
They won on appeal, Madison Co lost their gravy train, and the class of smokers lost their checks for $2.48.
“It’s also cute that you purport to understand the legal and ethical rules with respect to contingent fees”
Know what’s even cuter? That you think because you know details and jargon that no one else knows anything.
I assure you that is not the case.
“A class action is a very specific procedural device; he was either involved with class actions or he was not.”
Here’s the thing, slickshit: he was/is a personal injuries loyyer, and they have a tendency to extend their cases to class actions when possible. You and I both know that, so your continued flailings may act to convince yourself that you are holding your own, but you aren’t. A personal injuries loyyer can extend a case to a class ation without getting hisself pegged as a “class action loyyer”.
But go ahead: wrap yourself around the convenient axle of temporary impertinence until you have successfully tangentialized the discussion that you can claim a victory of sorts if only because you’ve confused non-loyyers with irrelevancies.
Edwards is ATLA and ATLA is, to a great many, the secular world’s version of the devil.
“How do you know he ever charged fees that were improper?”
I don’t. Further, I don’t care. I really doubt anyone does.
It’s just — as I told you and as you know quite well — many many people dislike loyyers as a general rule, with [as your wimpery cohort suggested above] “with justification”, and pretty much no matter what a loyyer does it’s wrong, even if it’s legal.
So your continued parsings and equivocations [seriously, you aren't going to outparse me, boy] are frankly wasted.
“but understanding the topic about which one opines, and actually having some experience with it is ELITIST”
One does what one can. Give it a whirl sometime.
Pardon: it was Phillip-Morris who was class-actioned in my hometown for $10B, not RJReynolds. I made what you should consider a justifiable mistake in confusing the corporate rape-masters.
Hey, they’re all guilty anyway, right? Just a matter of time before they’re all taken down in a spate of neo-luddite reactionism. Viva l’oyyers!!!
Well, when you are viewed as the “front-runner,” and you are upset by another candidate in an early contest, you have to recover quickly… If not, you lose major momentum and support, and that makes it more likely that you will have to drop out.
This is what almost happened to Bob Dole, in 1996, on the Republican side. [The GOP Establishment weighed in very heavily, following Iowa and New Hampshire, to push him into the nomination.]
Howard Dean was sunk, in a similar way, after he stumbled in the early contests, during the last Democrat presidential nomination race.
Hopefully, this will happen to Hillary as well.