A Tyre For Qana?

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July 31, 2006

Civilians

Update: Looks like more manipulation. If you check in at lgf and HotAir, you’ll find a CNN story talking about the rotting corpses from a mass burial in Tyre. Yet, as I point out below, bodies from that burial were stored in refrigerated trucks. Tyre is a Hezbollah strong hold and it appears as though rather than using the refrigerated trucks in all cases, they are allowing the scenes to be as gruesome as possible when the media is about.

Also, if the refrigerated bodies weren’t the ones buried in Tyre on Satruday, where did they end up? Qana? It’s possible, read below.

A full day before an air strike in Qana currently making headlines around the world, the Mayor of Tyre prepared a mass grave for 32 bodies killed in the area during the course of the recent conflict. Early Red Cross reports from the scene in Qana indicated only 27 bodies. Ironically enough, if you add 32 and 27 you arrive at the number of Qana dead reported by the press today. Current reports seem to fluctuate between 56 – 60.

It’s been reported that the media coverage and the recovery effort didn’t begin until the next morning. During that gap, the very same refrigerated trucks that held the dead from Tyre made their way to Qana. The question is, were they empty given some analysis which questions the times of death. See Confederate Yankee.

Additionally, there appear to be discrepancies in the reporting from Qana. We’re told the building didn’t collapse until morning. Yet, one observer claims to have been blown out of the building from the third floor during the night, only to rush right back in and witness the massacre.

Basement Some photographic evidence (click images to enlarge) also makes the site look more like a bomb shelter than the basement of a poor tobacco farmer’s home, as is being reported. Statements from survivors document that Qana is home to hard-line Hezbollah members and their families. The town is located at a critical juncture of five roads just north of the southern plains of Southern Lebanon and the elevation represents a prime location for the launching of rockets ever more deeply into Israel.

It seems at least possible that the victims were mostly comprised of the families of Hezbollah fighters and one body which wasn’t uncovered for mass display appears to be in fatigues.

Add to that Powerline’s questioning the timing of a professionally produced banner, and one has to at least wonder how much of the Qana incident is being managed for the benefit of Hezbollah’s war against Israel. Some documentation of that has already been covered at EU Referendum.  It’s also being covered in the IsraeliInsider.

It has to be considered that the Qana strike may well have killed a number of civilians and Hezbollah fighters with the number of civilian dead being augmented by bodies from Tyre. But no official report I have seen documents more than 27 bodies at this time, while the MSM is reporting as many as sixty. Relevant MSM links and quotes below.

Tyre: On Saturday, the Lebanese army dug a mass grave in Tyre and filled it with 32 plywood caskets containing the bodies of those already killed in the crossfire.

Qana: The Lebanese Red Cross, which conducted the rescue, counted 27 bodies.

The refrigerated truck that bodies are stored in had just emptied the day before with a mass burial. It is already filling up again, with the bodies of children.

"I was blown out of the building through a wall," said 27-year-old Ibrahim Chalhoub, a survivor from one of the two hardest-hit families.

At 1 a.m. yesterday, he was brewing a pot of tea in his top-floor kitchen. Moments later, the bomb struck the house. The force from the blast blew out the ground from beneath his feet.

"When the smoke cleared, I could not believe what happened. I rushed inside. It was a massacre," he said, his voice dissolving into sobs, eyes rolling up to the clear blue sky.

The tobacco farmer’s house was thought to be the safest place in town, perched on an innocuous edge of Lebanon’s Bekka Valley.

Khalil had been in a nearby house when the missile hit.

"It came in right at the door. I saw it. It was aimed right for the door," he said.

Israel has hit Qana so hard in recent days that it’s difficult to distinguish old rubble from the new.

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Comments:
  1. Hot Air says:

    Qana: The photographic evidence (Update: Bodies from Tyre?)

    Plus: XXX death porn from CNN.

  2. Lights, camera, Hezbollywood!

    If I seemed annoyed tonight on The O’Reilly Factor when Mr. O. said it doesn’t matter what really happened at Qana, well, yes, I was annoyed. The truth matters. Thank God for persistent bloggers and non-dhimmis digging and scrutinizing and…

  3. richard says:

    I can point you to lots of photographic evidence that the World Trade Center was downed by explosives, not a colliding plane. Of course, it’s conspiracy BS that most of us condemn as outrageous. So it’s droll to see the right wing take up the same kind of thinking, with the same kind of photographic evidence, and run with it when it suits thier purpose.

  4. The Parade of Dead Children

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  5. Wizbang says:

    What Really Happened in Qana?

    Something’s not right in Qana. It is looking more and more likely that the entire thing may have been a Hezbollah propaganda piece. Since it appears the Hezbos are running out of launchers and possibly rockets, they seem to be…

  6. Nine says:

    It’s hardly a “conspiracy theory” when a building collapses six hours after it’s hit, when the bodies that are recovered from the building show extreme rigor mortis (after and hour), when the bodies show no indication of blunt-force trauma or bleeding, or when the fascist lunatics of Hizbullah are supposedly “telling the truth.”
    No. It doesn’t quite qualify as a “conspiracy theory.” It qualifies as being able to use some semblance of reason, as opposed to, say, the emotive idiocy that usually goes along with gruesome pictures of dead children.

  7. Hezbollahs War Crimes: The Human Shields of Qana and their MSM deniers

    The heart-breaking images of women and children being pulled out of a collapsed building in Qana, Lebanon, asks a deep moral question of us all. However, no question can be honestly answered without all the facts backed up by evidence.
    Without that al…

  8. My first reaction Sunday morning to this news is that it seemed almost too convenient for Hezbollah to be really true … Rice in the mideast trying to get a ceaserfire; UN about to meet; international pressure on Israel. Nothing like an alleged “massacre” to stoke the fires.
    As we learn more and see the photos, including the ubiquitous Green Helmet guy and the parade of the poor gray dead children for the cameras, it looks more and more suspect.
    I also suspect, given the soft UN Sec Con resolution, and the continued US tacit support for Israel’s right to self defense, that the US and Israel have some pretty strong evidence to support the Hezbollywood theory.
    Kudos to Michelle Malkin telling O’Reilly to stick it … The TRUTH does matter !

  9. old trooper says:

    Hezbollah is winning the war in the media. Just like Hitler won in 1938 due to the efforts of Neville Chamberlain in 1938. Appeasing these murdering thugs is, like in 1938, a very bad decision. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain
    This fight is a long way from over. All Hezbollah needs to do is hope for a cease fire. All Israel needs to do is wait for the inevitable Hezbollah violation. After that violation no UN Resolution will delay the destruction of Iran`s fair haired boys in Lebanon.
    Staging Media events is a despicable act and one that Islamic thugs have perfected. They just have not reckoned on the outcome of Israel responding without a shred of restraint. It will happen if a cease fire agreement is violated or if the Punks in Damascus cross the line.

  10. scott says:

    Israel has hit Qana so hard in recent days that it’s difficult to distinguish old rubble from the new.
    I love the sight of rubble in south Lebanon. Go IDF; kick more Hezbo butt.

  11. Brullio says:

    quran 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
    etc etc etc, in fact, disbelievers are threatened 280 times in the quran.
    how can there be peace with people who believe in WAR? how can muslims believe the words of a childraping murdering slavedriver? Aisha was only nine when this tyran raped her. Juwairiya was a woman he stole after murdering and plundering an entire village, stealing women for pleasure. Such a monster was the prophet. Even today his violent gang of robbers plunder the earth. We have to stop them.

  12. Karridine says:

    There are several “Zombie-Approved” posts focused on “Mr Green Helmet”, for the reader’s use and sharing: at BrainSurgeryWithSpoons.blogspot.com
    Oh, and I WATCHED on TV as the planes slammed into the World Trade Center towers, Sept 11, and I have NO REASON to believe Americans could have guessed that those were the target buildings, raced to plant shaped charges in them, and then allowed the killing of 3,000 American civilians.
    I guess I haven’t taken my Kool-Aid-Meds for today…

  13. Karridine says:

    Brullio: Your question is valid, and is another reason for PUBLICLY letting the Muslims around the world KNOW of the Coming of the Promised One of All Ages and Faiths, known to us as the Lord of Hosts, and known to Muslims as the 12th Imam.
    His coming, exactly as Christ promised, in 1844 (1260 AH) brought an end to the world of news-at-the-speed-of-horse, kings & priesthoods ruling the rest of us, and only elites having access to the power of reading and writing!
    Let the Muslims KNOW that He has come, and they’ll abandon their mullahs and imams and other hate-filled oppressors, and turn with all their heart and soul toward the Glory of the Lord, Baha’u’llah!

  14. Dead children and bloody shirts

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  15. Qana-llywood

    I’m becoming more and more convinced, along with a number of other bloggers that the Qana event was, at the very least, heavily stage managed by Hezbollah.
    The best evidence of prior planning is not to be found in Qana but in Beirut where, as Powe…

  16. The “No More Friggin’ Vacations” Roundup

    What a mess.No, not Lebanon, I am talking about the 5000 articles in my RSS reader. No more vacations…Just the highlights:

  17. Qana: A Set-Up?

    Im not saying one way or another because I am not there to witness it, but I wouldnt be at all surprised that the Qana bombing and the rescue attempts after sunrise turned out to be a complete and utter fabrication by Hezbol…

  18. I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN says:

    don’t see what George Bush has done wrong, he’s destroying a bunch of people who shouldn’t be in the 1st place. I say the Iraqis are just here to take up space on this planet. They’re not doing anything to benifit us. George Bush is doing a great job where he is. I hope he sends a nuke to Iraq and just wipe that country out of the map. The only thing the Iraqis know how to do is terrorize countries, they’re all terrorists.Ok, I’m going to say it, I think George Bush is good. He’s one of the greatest president ever.. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! he attack Iraq and many Iraqis died.. so what? I hope he bombs Iraq again, I seriously don’t give a crap if the Iraqis die, I hope bush kills them all, bomb the hell out of Iraq. serioulsy I think the Iraqis are nothing but terrorist and George Bush is doing the world a favour by bombing them and killing them. they just like to bomb the hell out of each other, so the Americans attacking Iraq doesn’t really make that much of a difference, they’re just speeding up the process. So I solute George Bush I say, those Iraqis are bombing each other anyways, because they’re a bunch of no good 3rd world terrorist and all Iraqis are like that. Yeah, I’ve heard it all, I’m racist, whatever, but think about it, all the terrorism that occured, most of them are from the middle east in some stupid 3rd world country, and I’ll let you know that I will never have any respect for an Iraqi because they’re all no good terrorists.

  19. Qana’s Unresolved Questions

    Yesterday’s attempt to analyze the Israeli air strike on Qana, subsequent building collapse seven hours later, the Hezbollah propaganda campaign that resulted, and the media’s seeming inability to ask hard questions about the events led to a flurry of …

  20. Rick says:

    I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN; I have no idea what a “CRISTHIAN” is, some sort of homicidal maniac maybe, but you REALLY need a shrink.

  21. Scott A says:

    If you go to this link at EUReferendum you will see the same guys in all the photos, including some that date 10 years back. These appear to be the same guys that are in the picture with the banner in it that you posted Dan.
    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

  22. Meta-Media says:

    Seeing What Will Stick

    There’s a pretty common refrain among some of my friends: Why would you blog? I wouldn’t even read those things! They don’t have editors! They can say whatever they want! I generally respond that, of course, editors do not perfect…

  23. Blud says:

    Dan Riehl: renowned expert on Lebanese basement construction.
    You guys, man…

  24. annie says:

    I thought that Michelle Malkin was brilliant last night on Bill O’Reilly, but I dont think he was disagreeing with her when he said the truth did not matter, he was merely using the wrong words!!
    He did not mean that the truth DID NOT matter, so much as, in the case in question, the truth WILL NOT matter. And in that case it wont, because most people in the world appear to be biased against Israel and the US to begin with, and they will only believe what they want to believe.
    For the rest, who really do want to know the truth, the truth, as Michelle was saying, ALWAYS MATTERS!!

  25. Truth: The First Casualty of War. Questions Continue on Qana

    Media generated hysteria over what increasingly looks like manufactured massacres by Islamic fanatics seems to trump any objective inquiry into the facts.
    Some of us have been around the track enough times to realize that an enemy instructed by Al…

  26. european friend says:

    This bloody israeli agression won´t bring any advantages to the anglo-american war criminals and their jewish accomplices, these lies about the situation in the palestinian ghettos and the raided arabic states will not cover the brutal truth. There is a long tradition in anglo-american warfare (and israel is an american creature) of bombing innocent civilians, typical for their cowardliness. And no mendacious propaganda will change this.
    Islamistic terror is just a reaction to these brutal crimes comitted for decades in the name of freedom. usa did rise by genocide and slavery, by dealing with weapons and drugs. And so it will fall.
    The islamistic fanatics are god´s revenge to your hypocrisy and self-indulgence.

  27. Disinformation on Qana

    The disaster at Qana is showing all the signs of an orchastrated attempt to s…

  28. Scott A says:

    Dear european friend,
    Bloody Israeli aggression my ass! What is Israel supposed to do just sit there defenseless? The terrorists started this fight and trust me Israel will end it,as well they should. You say there is a tradition in anglo-american warfare of bombing innocent civilians . . . ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!!! That is what the spineless terrorists do on a daily basis. Can you get more cowardly than firing off rockets in civilian neighborhoods and stashing them underneath civilian homes with disabled children in them that can’t run away?
    You weren’t saying this about America when we came and saved your asses in WWII . . . or are you a member of the Nazi party because you sure sound like one.

  29. I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN says:

    Jews are a dirty, disgusting race. Not people at all.I’m glad they were sent to the death camps. The Nazzis did the right thing.The phuking kikes should stick their heads in the oven and turn on the gas. Such rats would do the world a favour and save us the expense of cyklon B!As I already mentioned Hitler was the best thing to come along in a long time to exterminate you filth. So now i am propsong a solution. Why dont you dirty stinking Jews go jump off a cliff or go take a gas shower (i think there are some of these showers at Aushwitz, if you know where that is?) and leave the world a better place

  30. Rick says:

    CRISTHIAN; You should be very, very thankful that being not only barely literate, but completely stupid is not punishable by death. Let’s all just hope you are incapable of breeding.

  31. rwilymz says:

    Being stupid does, though, offer amusing comedy acts in the otherwise dull recitation of history-in-the-making.

  32. I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN says:

    The interesting thing is I wonder if the average Palestinian feels any poorer since the money seems always to have been directed to terror or to the pockets of the leaders. It’s strange that we don’t see nice streets and nice buildings in the Palestinian territories. I suppose one could argue that’s due to the ordnance from the Israeli Army, but then again I would argue that if one took a look at the settlements vacated by Sharon’s ruling to vacate Gaza by the Jews, one would see the Palestinians weren’t interested in building anything nice. Here was land ready for growing crops and they go in there and destroy it, and make it look the same as the slums they already occupy.
    Yes, indeed, we reap what we sow. And when they elected this government they made the possibility of a decent life non-existant.
    JESUS IS LOVE

  33. rwilymz says:

    “JESUS IS LOVE”
    …as long as it’s not directed at a dirty joo or something, eh?

  34. Rick says:

    “”JESUS IS LOVE”
    …as long as it’s not directed at a dirty joo or something, eh?”
    That illiterate bigot doesn’t even know that Jesus is a JEW!!

  35. rwilymz says:

    shhhhh!
    Mohammed was a zoroastran, as well.

  36. european friend says:

    Is it a wonder, that there are only ruins in gazah after being starved, flattened and bombed year by year while being crowded with refugees, driven away from their palestinian territories?
    Beirut was a great, glamorous metropolis before it was now destroyed again – a weak victim of foreign powers as ever…
    But there were times, when israel blasted 3 arabic nations in 6 days!
    Now they need months and can´t beat the guerrillas…
    By the way, who is making money by this war?
    Maybe that armament industry, which wasn´t able to bomb one single concentration camp in wwll in order to stop the holocaust while the rest of europe was bombed to dust?
    true christian is an idiot, what you need is some rationality.

  37. rwilymz says:

    “true christian is an idiot, what you need is some rationality”
    Very true. On both counts.
    Should we let you know when the rationality arrives so you can look on and observe?

  38. Rick says:

    “By the way, who is making money by this war?
    Maybe that armament industry, which wasn´t able to bomb one single concentration camp in wwll in order to stop the holocaust”
    What a great idea that would have been genius! Let’s bbomb a concentration camp and kill Jews, retarded people, gypsies, political prisoners and who knows who FOR the nazis. No wonder we have to fight Europe’s wars for them.

  39. Phoenix says:

    “No wonder we have to fight Europe’s wars for them.”
    Ha.Ha.Ha. ooops…. Not funny. ‘Rationality’ has arrived. Where’s our friend? Send out a pigeon, quick!

  40. Shadi Business?

    When I saw Dan Reihl’s post noting that refrigerated trucks came from Tyre before the media arrived after daybreak, I thought that the trucks were suspicious. Now IsrealInsider (h/t A.J. Strata) is reporting that the Lebanese rescue worker known by…

  41. european friend says:

    “What a great idea that would have been genius! Let’s bbomb a concentration camp and kill Jews, retarded people, gypsies, political prisoners and who knows who FOR the nazis. No wonder we have to fight Europe’s wars for them.”
    So, you wouldn´t shoot down a hijacked plane full of fey innocents neither to rescue a greater number of people?
    Probably you would, if the greater number of people only were americans.
    Equal justice for all could be the pigeon, double moral standards will lead you more and more into isolation.

  42. Rick says:

    ef: Actually it depends what part of Europe the people are from. There are a small minority of europeans who actually deserve to live. Though about half of those should be forced to work the mines of Soooth Afreeca.
    I am terribly sorry that YOU do not see a difference between a jet liner and a concentration camp.

  43. Norbert Rütte says:

    Probably this “small minority of europeans who actually deserve to live” are the Britons?

  44. rwilymz says:

    WWII technology did not have the capacity to target — and hit — the German barracks or the command headquarters while leaving everything else untouched. Bombing a concentration camp using WWII technology would have killed, as Rick said, 100,000 Jews to get 250 Nazi guards and officers.
    Not a good trade-off.
    …unless you think it is…

  45. There is an increasing phenomena in the movement of supporting Muslims because of their fight with the Jews in the Middle East, but why should that mean that we should support the Muslims simply because we share the same enemy?
    For the Brits and the Americans, Muslims have also been fighting a war against us in our own lands, to make them Islamic, they’re not fighting the Jews but the everyday, hardworking Brit or American. The support is mainly manifesting itself from folk, who at this moment in time, have not got the same problems on the same scale that the Americans and especaily the Brits are currently having.
    Muslims in Britain are currently lobbying the British Government to get rid of the historically rich Union Flag (or Union Jack as some know it) to replace it with a green version displaying the Islamic crescent moon and star, green as we are all aware is the colour of war for Muslims. Muslims have also committed terrorists attacks by the use of suicide bombers on the London tube and on a bus. They have demanded Brit butchers not to sell pork if any Muslims live close to them. They have demanded that children should not be allowed to have a Christmas dinner or play at their schools. They have also demanded that Christmas lights and decorations should not be put up in streets, schools or stores incase it offends a Muslim that happens to be passing by. Any schools, hospitals, buildings or street names that have a ‘St’ (Saint) in them have been ordered to be removed because it’s offensive to Muslims. Church bells are not allowed to ring their bells anymore, even at weddings. In areas that are densely populated with Muslims, schools are serving only Halal meat to non Muslim children. Muslim clerics hold protests outside their mosques, shouting into megaphones to kill non Muslims and the infidels, whilst receiving free cars, houses and money from the British Government. That is just the tip of a very large iceberg.
    Let’s not forget, that it was Muslims that flew airplanes into the World Trade Centre and killed over three thousand people there, yet quite a few of our ‘comrades’ are wondering why the Brits and Americans do not support Muslims and can’t understand why we have a problem with them.

  46. Rick says:

    “Probably this “small minority of europeans who actually deserve to live” are the Britons?”
    Actually, except for my Scot and Irish cousins I have little use for Brits….but this is what happens when a bigot assumes they have an answer. Now the truth is, I was making a smartass remark about the whole thing. It was meant to illustrate how “silly” the idea of bombing concentration camps would have been.
    Cris: Who knew you could actually make a little sense? Now if you would just spell Christian CORRECTLY, you may not be so offensive.

  47. Rick says:

    Muslims in Britain are currently lobbying the British Government to get rid of the historically rich Union Flag (or Union Jack as some know it) to replace it with a green version displaying the Islamic crescent moon and star, green as we are all aware is the colour of war for Muslims.
    Yes and pigs are coming into land on Runway 5 at Heathrow

  48. Rick says:

    That is not the “original” Rick

  49. european friend says:

    Only the concentration camps allowed the nazis the industrial way of killing millions.
    With bombing concentration camps and railroad tracks live of millions of jews and others would had been rescued.
    Obviously it wasn´t in the interest of anglo-american warfare.
    This is one more truth you have to face (beside that one of your “smartass remark”).
    Or is it your guilty conscience about that why you concede israel this disproportionate agression?

  50. rwilymz says:

    “With bombing concentration camps and railroad tracks live of millions of jews and others would had been rescued.”
    German rail lines were routinely bombed.
    Bang goes that pet theory.

  51. Rick says:

    “Obviously it wasn´t in the interest of anglo-american warfare.”
    Ok genius, this is going to come as a huge shock to you. The Americans did not get into the war in europe until Germany declared war ON US. Why? Because the Europeans SHOULD have been able to take care of their own business. Please, refresh us on just how long Europe stood by while the Nazis gobbled up more and more territory……..In fact, did NOTHING as Polish cavalry gallantly (though fool hardily) charged Panzers with sabres. The rest of the world would have preferred to live in peace but the Germans and Italians would have none of it. It is truly pathetic that someone claiming to be european has so little grasp on their own history. Why the hell did YOU europeans stand by and watch as people were murdered BEFORE there were concentration camps???????????

  52. Rick says:

    “Or is it your guilty conscience about that why you concede israel this disproportionate agression?”
    To answer yet another “silly” question for you e.f.. I can only feel guilt for what ‘I’ have done and will not accept blame for what anyone else, person or nation does. I’ve never said one way or another whether ‘I’ think Israel is going too far or not. Though I have AND will attempt to explain the FACTS of history. You are welcomed to deal in emotions and hystreonics. I will say that for the Lebanese to stand by for years allowing the hezzies to be supplied for war by another country, knowing they are attacking a third country….Is exactly the same thing the rest of Europe did as the Nazis slowly enveloped the whole damned continent.

  53. european friend says:

    “Though I have AND will attempt to explain the FACTS of history.”
    Facts of history, I see…
    Like those facts of history concerning the weapons of massdestruction in iraq or the cooperation of the iraqi government with al-kaeda, poor Mr. Powell was obliged to present on World Security Council to justify the anglo-american access on the iraqi oil recources.

  54. dna says:

    “Ok genius, this is going to come as a huge shock to you. The Americans did not get into the war in europe until Germany declared war ON US”
    Wrong — the USA got into the war after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor; that’s when the USA decleared war on Japan, and by extension on its allies.
    War is an expensive affair, and no wonder people didn’t want to go to war. Germany had to go to war, since it has been borrowing in order to get where it was after the market crash in 1929.
    Other than that, the Jews were rounded up and put in ghettos even before the war started; they’ve been killing them before the camps, but the camps were more efficient.
    Disclaimer: there is evidence that the US provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor, and that the administration knew very well of the Japanese flotila, as it was heading towards its destination. The Pearl Harbor attack was necessary in order to have the people support the war — a war which they were reluctant to get involved, since they saw it as an external affair.

  55. rwilymz says:

    “Like those facts of history concerning the weapons of massdestruction in iraq …”
    Like the ones the UN found, catalogued, locked in warehouses in Iraq, and before they could be destroyed Iraq kicked them out of the country?
    Those, y’mean?
    Or were you talking about others?
    “…justify the anglo-american access on the iraqi oil recources”
    Seen the price of gas here? Prima facie evidence we got our hands on oil, yep, yep, yep.
    ——————————–
    “Wrong — the USA got into the war after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor; that’s when the USA decleared war on Japan, and by extension on its allies.”
    Dec 7: Japanese attack Pearl
    Dec 8: US declares war on Japan
    Dec 8: China declares war on Japan
    Dec 11: Germany declares war on the US
    Dec 11: US declares war on Germany
    There was no “by extensions”.
    “there is evidence that the US provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor…”
    Uh huh. Plan Orange; so therefore it was a conspiracy.
    “the administration knew very well of the Japanese flotila”
    We don’t have spy satellites for nuthin.
    “The Pearl Harbor attack was necessary in order to have the people support the war”
    And folks criticize the Tonkin Resolution!

  56. Rick says:

    E.F.= Keep boring me and I’ll ignore you. It was you who turned a discussion of Israel and Hisboola to discussing WWII. Finding yourself bested by an ignorance of european history, vis WWII you now try to bait me with Iraq. I never mentioned Iraq and never said there were WMD’s or any connections to Al-Quaker. Though both are factual, they just don’t fit your tiny lil box.

  57. Rick says:

    Ross, stop man, you’re killing me! Tonkin? and prior knowledge of the Jap fleet? You know as well as I do that a democrat president would never pull a sneaky to start or expand a war. Especially one from Texas who would get even richer selling lumber and oil.
    You’re being hard on dna. It took ages to look that up in his HS history book. I just wish he hadn’t neglected to tell us that Germany borrowed all that money to re-arm in violation of the Versaille treaty……while the rest of europe did nothing. Just as they did nothing as 6 million people just ‘disappeared’

  58. I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN says:

    The Iraqis has given this world nothing but terror. go on google.com type in Iraq and look at the news results, there’s always a bomb going off somewhere there almost everyday. I say, those Iraqis are bombing each other anyways, because they’re a bunch of no good 3rd world terrorist and all Iraqis are like that. Yeah, I’ve heard it all, I’m racist, whatever, but think about it, all the terrorism that occured, most of them are from the middle east in some stupid 3rd world country, and I’ll let you know that I will never have any respect for an Iraqi because they’re all no good terrorists.
    And think about this, what has Iraq brought us? NOTHING? what? oil? it belongs to the americans now, why the heck would the Iraqis need oil for? they’re so poor they can’t even afford it, mines as well give it to someone that can afford it like the americans.
    America has brought us stuff like, Xbox, nice cars, nice movies, and even nice houses and condos. The japanese has also brought us nice cars, movies, and even food as well as the chinese has. What has the Iraqis brought us? NOTHING!!!! they just like to bomb the hell out of each other, so the Americans attacking Iraq doesn’t really make that much of a difference, they’re just speeding up the process. So I solute George Bush
    Democraps know that the best and fastest way to destroy America’s Freedom is to work from within the system. And LIBERAL DEMONCRAP LEFT-WING EXTREMIST activist judges are their best and longest lasting assault on YOUR Freedom. These judicial insects believe, as AlGore said, that “the Constitution is a living document”.

  59. european friend says:

    “It was you who turned a discussion of Israel and Hisboola to discussing WWII.”
    As everybody can verify here, it was not me who started this discussion.
    But that assertion is demonstrating the seriousness and truethfulness of the “facts” and arguments used by the warmongers here.
    This discussion was just a nice try to muzzle me, but for nothing…
    If americans would buy their oil instead of robbing it, if israeli would buy their land instead of robbing it, if you would had used arguments instead of bombs islamist terror never would had become what it is now.
    But, let´s hope so, it´s never too late to start a dialogue with those who still can be reached by arguments.

  60. M. Simon says:

    The Jerusalem Post says Qana may have been totally staged.
    It is also a story about bloggers.
    http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/08/bloggers-get-results.html
    Bloggers get results
    Up until 1948 Jews did buy the land. Then the Arabs started wars. They lost land in those wars. Most unfortunate.

  61. Media Lies says:

    The more that information about Qana comes out….

    ….the worse it looks for Hezbollah. Richard North, at Eu Referendum is methodically working through the story, piece by piece, deconstructing the Hezbolla…

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  63. Peace be upon you says:

    It is so sad to see some of the comments.
    The only thing I can say to eliminate this propaganda that the IDF is spreading. Let us call for a third independent party to investigate not only Qana but all the civilians casualties in both Lebanon and Israel.
    Once we agree on that, I think we will reach the truth.
    On one condition, as long as the none of the fighting parties neither US, France, England has anything to do with it.

  64. Michael Greer says:

    So, the building is hit between MIDNIGHT and 1:00AM. As soon as the building is hit, Hezbollah supporters brought the children from the morgue, and started placing them strategically around the building. Then, when all was done, and the explosives were planted, Hezbollah detonated the explosives to bring the building down onto the children’s bodies. Then, they immediately called the journalists and photographers to come down to Qana to witness the show. ANOTHER FINE HEZBOLLYWOOD PRODUCTION!
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  65. european friend says:

    So, after “Mr. historical facts” Rick was proved to be a liar, substitionally for all the warmongers here, let´s think about the true reasons of this undeclared war.
    Is the israeli military running amok after being provocated by hezbollah?
    Actually not, this raid was prepared since May 2000, when israeli troops left the Lebanon:
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14169.htm
    This is a pre-preemptive war in order to optimize the starting position for the preemptive war against iran and syria.
    The intended deployment of international armed forces in the Lebanon (including nato troops) is an essential component of this strategy.
    Sounds reasonable, doesn´t it?

  66. I AM AN TRUE CRISTHIAN says:

    GREER.;interesting thought. Perhaps the way we treat our friendship with Jesus and others is based on a faulty concept and understanding of love. If we loved Jesus, we’d obey Him (his words). In my observation, too often, we love in a very selfish way . . . as long as we are receiving something in return. In my dictionary, loving or desiring someone to get something in return is lust, not love. Perhaps that explains some of our failings in relationships, especially with the Lord. If we love Him only to the degree that He provides for us, that falls way short of the mark don’t you agree?